Talk:Dead by April

Pop metal? Nope

Dead by April is not "pop metal"...

Pop metal is another term to glam metal... a completely different genre. That's a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.38.230 (talk) 20:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Genre

Dead by April is not a pop band...

Indeed, pop metal is glam metal, something that Dead by April certainly is not. Even though self-described, such a genre in the sense of their meaning does not exist. They probably meant it as metal receiving mainstream attention. It also does not fit the criteria of being an experimental metal band. Wigert (talk) 19:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It sounds much more like metalcore to me than melodic death metal however! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.126.66 (talk) 15:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I have changed the genre to "Melodic Metalcore" due to many unsourced genres being added, so this will remain as the only reneralized genre until a discussion takes place and reliable references are added to back up the information. - SilentDan297 talk 13:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The false statement about "pop metal" not existing in anything other than the band's own marketing is easily dismissed; see [1]. Sure, they coined the term, but that's no reason for it to be invalid. Melodic metal is definitely a valid genre, as things like [2] show. I can't find anything on them being alternative metal (although that's such a vague umbrella term that they almost certainly qualify, one way or another), hard rock or piano metal. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:11, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

So are you stating that they are NOT to be catagorized as pop-metal? And BanterBanter is merely a local internet magazine based in Manchester, Is there any other major sources we could use to back up Melodic Metal? - SilentDan297 talk 14:30, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• I'm saying that they should be categorized as pop metal. [3] is another thing that supports the pop metal mix. Metalcore comes up at AllMusic, and [4] labels it as "melodic death metal" - although I don't know if that is a reliable source or not. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

That source for pop metal states more of a blend of Pop and Metal, and like what Wigert said, Pop metal is Glam metal, of which this band is most definitely not, so I'd have to disagree with the pop metal for now as a generalized genre. The other two sources contradict each other, Allmusic stating that they are metalcore, the other calling them a melodic death metal band fused with emo and pop, which means is not completely melodic death metal. These sources however to allow us to create a "Musical style" section, this way we can explain the bands genre in much more detail, but for the infobox, I believe either Melodic Death Metal or Melodic Metalcore should be used. - SilentDan297 talk 18:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The extreme specifics of what genre they sing is: (Swedish) Melodic Metal-Core Pop as some of their songs don a more Boyband Pop sound rather than the typical. Whether 'Pop' should be included is in the opinion on what the band feel however. In many interviews [5] they always leave quoted as not even knowing what they sing either. Noting the fact that it is also the "Swedish equivalent" is a important factor much like Jpop is a specific category in the pop universe. Melodic Metal-Core however is good enough to explain what their most known songs are. As a Melodic Metal-Core fan and a DeadByApril Megafan, I have found many Metal-Core Bands from the Swedish style that sound somewhat more similar (To DBA) whilst those from the US sound differently; but not entirely. DeadByApril however will always have that unique style Joetri10 (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Dead By April is infact Melodic Death Metal

I consider Death By April a Melodic Death Metal band. I don't see why they wouldn't be. What makes them so unique and stands them out from the rest of Melodic Death Metal bands is the fact that their clean vocals are pop styled, rather than just Progressive Metal or Power Metal styled like a lot of Melodic Death Metal bands, which gives an insane result. They sound very similar to Disarmonia Mundi, Blood Stain Child, and Sonic Syndicate, who are all Melodeath bands. They also not only carry the heavy Melodeath styled guitar riffs, but also have Industrial, Ambient, Electronica, and Symphonic effects in their songs like several other Melodic Death Metal bands.

I personally don't like pop music, but I really like the fact that their style of pop vocals is basically true original pop like Backstreet Boys, rather than the type of "pop" you hear today from shitty scene bitches like Fallout Boy and Panic At The Disco. And this is coming from someone who hates Backstreet Boys and pop music as a whole. The result Dead By April gets when mixing pop with Melodic Death Metal is just too interesting to pass up, I don’t know, it’s amazing. I don’t know many other bands who actually still do the generic pop vocals that Backstreet Boys used to do, the only thing similar is those terrible Post-Hardcore/Pop-Punk styled vocals that you see from all of the talentless bands on MTV.

True Melodic Death Metal to me is Scar Symmetry, Solution .45, In Flames, Disarmonia Mundi, Sonic Syndicate, Mors Principium Est, Blood Stain Child, Insomnium, Dead By April, Ensiferum, Norther, Amon Amarth, Blinded Colony, Imperanon, Cipher System, and Tracedawn.

I personally don’t like the more mainstream Melodic Death Metal bands like Dark Tranquility and Children of Bodom, used to be a Bodom fan, but then I discovered the bands above and realized that Bodom couldn’t hold a candle to any of them.

I'm willing to bet that anyone who is dissing on Dead By April in here is just some trendy scene bitch who listens to terrible Grindcore like Job For A Cowboy and Suicide Silence, or is someone who classifies a horrible Grindcore band like Black Dahlia Murder under the Melodic Death Metal genre.

And wait, you people consider Cipher System a Melodeath band, but don’t consider Dead By April to be one? Cipher System sounded identical to Dead By April when they had Jimmy from DBA as their vocalist, the only difference is the fact that Dead By April has way more electronica/ambient effects than they had. And yet you guys consider a terrible Metalcore bands like Nightrage and Kalmah to be Melodic Death Metal, when they are far from it?

I am normally loathe to enter a debate about genre because it is so subjective - but regardless of the arguments presented here, can we please find a reliable source for a genre, rather than putting in original research? Jwoodger (talk) 10:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

On Dead by April being melodic death metal

I think we need to sort out what melodic death metal is. Pretty much, melo-death is what have spawned from the three "kings" of the genre - At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity and In Flames. The three of them represent different schools - At the Gates is agressive and old-school with faster tempos and a more "extreme" approach, Dark Tranquillity is more dynamic, melancholic, musical and uses synthesizers, while In Flames is generally more melodic than the other two. Of course, In Flames underwent some RADICAL changes around year 2000. Other "old-school" bands are Hypocrisy, Insomnium, Amon Amarth, Amorphis (older), Bloodbath, Mors Principium Est (older), Dark Lunacy etc. What these bands have in common is a darker atmosphere and more elements of "pure" death metal, but with a melodic twist. It's like a mix of black metal, death metal, power metal and progressive metal. Outside influences are generally neo-classical and folk.

Then, there is the "new school" of melodic death (that some people wouldn't call melo-death, but let's do it for the sake of simplicity). This wave is bands such as newer In Flames (from Reroute and onwards), Sonic Syndicate, Disarmonia Mundi, Soilwork (although their first album was old school), Blood Stain Child, Solution .45, Scar Symmetry and Mercenary (although those two are also prog/power-ish), Blinded Colony, Cipher System etc. These bands started to appear around 2000 (around when In Flames made their radical change in sound), and what differs these from the older bands are clean vocals, electronics and heavy influences from American metalcore (Killswitch Engage, etc.), or even nu metal for some bands. Of course the purists loath these bands, although I'm okay with both schools. I just don't like mixing them up.

So question is, what does Dead by April play? Well, they sure aren't old school melodic death metal, I can't find any similarities between them and Dark Tranquillity or Hypocrisy. They have a lot of similarities with the new school, but they are much, much lighter. In fact, I can barely consider them a metal band because the pop influences are so heavy. So some sort of hybrid between "new school" melodic death metal and cheesy 90s pop is basically where they're at. I guess pop metal is the easiest definition.

Then, there is a Finish metal movement that is also lumped together with melodic death metal, a mix of power metal, black metal and thrash metal played by bands such as Children of Bodom, Norther, Kalmah, Eternal Tears of Sorrow and Imperanon. They have little relevance here.

And by the way, no, I don't like Dead by April. But at least I can be rational and respecting, and I want to help Wikipedia to be as informative as possible. --85.224.82.14 (talk) 01:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the issue. Look up linkin park and copy the genre. After all they are a 100% Ersatz-Band of them. Okay, they look more like poseurs, but the music is identical. --92.202.17.158 (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

No. They just cant be melodic death metal band. They have too much hardcore influences to be melodeath. Maybe melodic metalcore but not melodicdeath. also too much clean vocals and metalcore style riffs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.214.190.62 (talk) 03:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Use of images

The page seems to be flooded with photos of the band members, making the page look very messy and dis-organised, I don't think there needs to be an image fore every current and former band member, only when it is relevant, so the first band photo at the top and of the latest singer Christoffer “Stoffe” Andersson since he is relevant to a specific situation, all the other photos should be removed. - SilentDan297 talk 00:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

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