Talk:Death of Jay Slater

Legal issues

Why does the article not make ay mention of the "legal issues" this guy has had (Google it if you wish)? Seems very relevant to his disappearance. XANIA - ЗAНИA^{Wikipedia talk | Wikibooks talk} 16:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Only if you want to read gossip. This is an encyclopedia. See WP:BLP and WP:BDP. DeCausa (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

There is relevance, but only to the section on social media response and only because of discussion in reliable sources about what that social media response contained. A relevant source would be this {https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jay-slater-machete-attack-victim-tiktok-trolls-b2569680.html article] in the Independent, dated 27 June 2024, which describes comments by the victim of that crime in relation to the social media response. (There are also similar articles in local papers, and national tabloids, but I think that the Independent is the only national 'quality' paper with the story.)

There are also recent media sources with more detail regarding the crime itself (and a lot of detail, in the case of a Daily Mail article also dated 27 June 2024, which also notes that Slater was not the main perpetrator), but nothing really to connect it to his disappearance other than the observation that it is indeed the same person.

So I think that there is scope for inclusion, but with care as to placement and avoidance of undue weight. I previously moved some material from the lead section to reduce its prominence; with hindsight I should also have removed any material that relied on earlier sources, so that it only included what was covered by sources related to the disappearance. Anyway, it has now been removed entirely by another editor, and I'm not going to re-add it without consensus.

Entirely separate from that, if you are referring to the widely reported claims that Slater told his friends, via Snapchat and in conversation, that he had stolen an expensive Rolex watch the day before his disappearance, we still need to be careful not to draw any connection not made explicit in sources. This Manchester Evening News article comes close to doing so, because in the very next paragraph after mentioning a TV detective's comments about the watch, it also quotes him as saying "We have received information that would suggest Jay left the rental property feeling scared and that he would not return to the rental, even though that would have been the most sensible course of action, and also where he could have charged his phone and got water." But it doesn't explicitly connect this with the Rolex. Maybe more will be reported as the investigation continues, which will clarify things. --Dani di Neudo (talk) 07:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

When did Slater call Lucy?

Sky News stated that it was at 8:15, while The Independent stated that it was at 8:50. Both sources are used on this page.

The text on the Disappearance section on this page uses 8:50 AM, but the map image uses 8:15 AM. Bonus Person (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2024

He Died 2A02:C7C:D8B7:C800:357B:9F0A:402A:7E50 (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Request not placed in a "change x to y" format; article already says the body is believed to be his. – GnocchiFan (talk) 17:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Change status to deceased

The body has been confirmed to be that of Jay Slater, meaning he is officially deceased and no longer missing.

BBC News live reporting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp08v6r4ez9t JM12624 13:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

went ahead with this, will add more and sources soon to article JM12624 13:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Change title to Death of Jay Slater

Proposal based upon similar such cases with the same unfortunate outcome. JM12624 13:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I think that "Disappearance of Jay Slater" would still be a better title. The long period of uncertainty following his disappearance, rather than the fact that he was later found to have died, is the primary reason why this has had attracted so much media and public response. Accidents in mountain terrain claim many other lives, and in most cases where the deceased are quickly located, the media coverage is minimal. Dani di Neudo (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Medina Hernandez wrongfully called "Hernandez"

In the section "Disappearance", Mrs. Medina Hernandez is referred to as "Hernandez", which is her second last name (see Spanish naming). Medina is her first last name and should be referred to as "Medina". 2800:300:6F33:6570:85D5:C77B:23C:CE9D (talk) 14:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Applying WP:BLP for 6 months after death

See WP:BDP: The only exception [to WP:BLP not applying to those ho have died] would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside. Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends. This applies to this article, particularly given the social media nonsense that could be shoe horned into it. I suggest the period is 6 months after death if it survives AfD. DeCausa (talk) 06:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)