Talk:Mass detentions in the Israel–Hamas war

Mondoweiss and Al Jazeera Arabic

@WillowCity: The section you restored is still inaccurate; Mondoweiss doesn't report this, it reports that Al Jazeera Arabic reports this. Further, if those are the only two sources that we have for this claim then we shouldn't be including it; neither is sufficiently reliable for it. BilledMammal (talk) 04:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I’ll look for additional sources, but this seems to be more an issue of phrasing. It’s not entirely clear that the reports regarding detentions at al-Shifa came from AJ Arabic; context from the Mondoweiss article may suggest this, but it’s equally possible it was covered by AJ English (which is green on RSPSS). Either way, AJ Arabic is not listed on WP:RSPSS other than a note that some editors consider it biased; and as we know, biased does not mean unreliable. “Less reliable” than RSPSS-green doesn’t mean “must inevitably be excluded”. The solution in my view is careful wording and attribution, not total exclusion.

As I said, though, I’ll look into this further. WillowCity^(talk) 05:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah as I thought it was also covered on AJ English. The linked article states, in relevant part:

Omar Zaqout, an emergency room employee at al-Shifa, said that Israeli soldiers have “detained and brutally assaulted some of the men who were taking refuge at the hospital”.

“Israeli forces took the detained men naked and blindfolded. [They] did not bring any aid or supplies, they only brought terror and death,” he said, adding that the army has surrounded every building within the hospital complex.

CBS has touched on similar reports in its own coverage, noting that a witness (not Mr. Zaqout) “said he saw Israeli troops detain three men.”

So there is certainly reporting from RS regarding detentions at al-Shifa; I don’t see why Mondoweiss can’t be included among them with adequately-phrased attribution.

I’ll see what else I can find. WillowCity^(talk) 05:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Excessive use Al Jazeera

I’m concerned by the level of use of Al Jazeera in this article, including for claims that it is the only source for - while it is a reliable source it is also a highly biased source, and relying on it so heavily creates WP:NPOV issues. BilledMammal (talk) 03:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a reliable heavily biased source. If you have opposing viewpoints from other RS, please feel free to add them, otherwise I don't see an issue here. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

As editors - including you, I believe - have pointed out in the various discussions of Al Jazeera, reliability and bias are two different things. BilledMammal (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Which specific claims are the problem? Or is this just another case of I don't like AJ, period? Selfstudier (talk) 12:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The issue is that when an article relies excessively on sources biased in a specific direction the article becomes biased; to comply with NPOV when not using a broad range of sources we need to make sure those sources are generally unbiased, and we haven't done so here. BilledMammal (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Just a general dislike then, thought as much. Selfstudier (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2024

Change Israel-Hamas war to Israel-Gaza war. This is not a war against Hamas anymore, but systematic genocide against a population. Thijmenbaak (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)