Talk:Deep-sea fish

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underdeveloped

Oh come on I know there's way more deep sea fish than this! Someone with marine knowledge please update this underdeveloped article, it's pathetic.

yellow lenses

However, some of these predators have yellow lenses that filter the (red deficient) ambient light, leaving the bioluminescence visible. What are these predators

List of Deep Sea Fish

I'm suggesting a list of deep sea fish we have significant information about be added to the article as examples. I'm fascinated by the topic and the mystery of the various species but the article is somewhat of a dead end and doesnt offer many specific species to give an idea of what species we have documented and which are still just a distant mystery.Cold polymer 03:41, 4 August 1987 (UTC)

anglerfish viperfish Amysydney (talk) 11:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Tone

This article reads like it was written by a 12-year old for 8-year olds. Please don't patronise me with {{sofixit}} - I will try to, later. Just mentioning this for now in case someone wishes to work on it in the interim. 121.220.207.49 (talk) 14:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Decompression sickness in fish

Barotrauma of ascent in fish is well documented particularly in species with swim-bladders. This is not the same thing as decompression sickness caused by bubble formation in supersaturated tissues. I am unaware of reliable sources documenting the existence of supersaturation in fish tissues in nature, or a mechanism for this to occur in normal oceanic water of any depth. To the best of my knowledge samples of deep oceanic water do not spontaneously fizz when brought to the surface, and if I remember correctly the inert gas concentration of deep oceanic water is almost identical to that at the surface, ie, it is close to equilibrium with the atmosphere. I will do some research, but if anyone knows of an accessible source referring to this, please let me know. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 08:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

"Nitrogen in ocean waters is within 5 percent of equilibrium with the atmosphere." http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Re-St/Sea-Water-Gases-in.html

"The stable gases pass from the atmosphere into the surface waters of the ocean, where they reach saturation (the pressure of the gas in seawater equals the pressure of the gas in the atmosphere). The concentration at saturation of a gas (the solubility) depends on temperature. Cold water holds more gas than does warm water. Stable gas concentrations are higher in cold surface waters and when these cold waters sink into the ocean depths, they carry these gases along with them. These gases may be completely unreactive, such as the noble gases, or only very slightly reactive, such as nitrogen." http://www.mbari.org/chemsensor/distribution.html

The thermodynamics of gas solubility indicate that unless there are large deepwater sources of N₂ the deepwater partial pressure of N₂ cannot vary by more than a few percent from the partial pressure at the surface, not enough to cause decompression sickness by the currently understood mechanisms. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 09:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

A plausible mechanism for intravascular gas bubble formation in decompressed fish is described in SPC Live Reef Fish Information Bulletin #11 – April 2003 http://www.spc.int/DigitalLibrary/Doc/FAME/InfoBull/LRF/11/LRF11_31_StJohn.pdf

"During the rapid depressurisation at capture, gas bubbles formed from two sources (from gas exchange from expanding air in the swim bladder and from dissolved nitrogen in the body tissues) are released into the bloodstream. These intravascular gas bubbles can cause air embolism, blocking the flow of blood, and thus oxygen, to the tissues. As the blood supply from the capillary mesh of the swim bladder leads directly to the heart, large bubbles can cause a “heart attack” (Feathers and Knable 1983). Bubble formation in the tissues also leads to rupturing of cells, haemorrhaging and clotting, as well as other haemotological changes (Kulshrestha and Mandal 1982). If bubble pressure is great enough, the blood vessels can rupture, resulting in the haemorrhaging of blood into body tissue and the formation of clots at the damaged site"

A high saturation of swim-bladder gas in the blood vessels downstream of the capillary mesh of the swim-bladder is consistent with the capillary mesh being the organ of gas transfer between the bloodstream and swim-bladder, and rapid decompression. However, this hypothesis does not provide an explanation for supersaturation of the other tissues. I will see if I can get hold of Kulshretha and Mandal 1982. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 11:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Nope, hit the Elsevier paywall. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 12:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

The swim-bladder trauma is clear and well-attested; the other tissue stuff is at best wobbly and needs reliable sources with quotations, so I've removed it for now. Anyone is welcome to supply new text suitably supported. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Function of the swim bladder

I question the accuracy of the description of swim bladder function in section Mesopelagic fish. Unfortunately the reference used is paywalled so I can't fix it. The article claims that the swim bladder is inflated to cause the fish to ascend and deflated to descend. Any deep water angler or scuba diver will realise that this is implausible. The swim bladder will expand as the pressure reduces during ascent, and if the fish does not get rid of the excess gas it will become dangerously buoyant, and also risk over-expansion barotrauma, which is the fate of many reef fish when caught and brought to the surface. It is extremely tricky to bring fish up without injury. I have done a bit of work collecting angelfish and they either have to be deflated with a hollow needle or decompressed over a few hours - I have a portable decompression chamber for this purpose, made from an old scuba cylinder. Back to the main point, Fish use their swim bladders to achieve neutral buoyancy, to reduce the energy required to maintain depth. If they deflated to descend, and then sank, the increasing pressure would compress the gas further, in a positive feedback loop, and they would sink faster the deeper they go. The reverse effect occurs on ascent. So they swim up to ascend and resorb to remain close to neutral to avoid injury, At mesopelagic depths this change in buoyancy per unit depth is relatively slow, but in shallow water it is rapid and can get out of control. The fish ends up swimming against the buoyancy to avoid losing depth control. A neutrally buoyant fish can swim upwards easily without needing additional buoyancy, and will gain additional buoyancy if it does not resorb the swim-bladder gas fast enough. Gas volume control may well be a limiting factor on the speed of controlled ascent and descent, rather than a contribution to ascent speed. Descent is less problematic, as the gas is compressed with depth increase, but this does no harm to the fish, except that it will continue to sink when it stops swimming, until it produces sufficient gas to re-inflate to neutral buoyancy. The smaller the swim bladder, the less gas must be shifted in and out during depth change. The physics is trivial, but the physiology is fascinating. There are a few papers on the mechanism out there somewhere. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Deep sea creature into Deep sea fish

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge Deep sea creature into the alternative target of Deep sea community, as the primary topic proposed doesn't cover the breadth of Deep sea creature, whereas the alternative does. Klbrain (talk) 16:48, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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These two articles contain much of the same information, but the latter is much better referenced. Some information from the Deep sea creature article would be more appropriate for the Deep sea communities article, or the Deep sea article. DiverDave (talk) 12:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

what abut deep sea animals that are not fish, ~nuetral Clone commando sev (talk) 00:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Deep sea creature should be about more than just fish, and it still can be ... to the right editor. I suggest a counter-proposal: Merge Deep sea creature with Deep sea community, and name this new article Deep sea fauna. It will need work once merged, but the biggest problem Deep sea creature has is that it doesn't mention the plethora of other creatures in the abyss. A small paragraph about deep sea fish could be mentioned in Deep sea fauna with a "Main article:" link to Deep sea fish.  — Myk Streja ^(beep) 19:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Two of the 6 examples in the article are not fish. DGG ( talk ) 23:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. Joyous! Noise! 01:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)