Talk:Deep Purple in Rock

Release date

The correct release date is June 5, not 3. As specified in the book "Wait for the Ricochet" (added as a source to the article), new albums were released on Fridays, ahead of the biggest sales day of Saturday. --Purple74 (talk) 08:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Purple74: Do you have a page that it's on? I have the 1995 CD (which I've just used to expand / improve the article), but it just says "June 1970". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: page 119. I have just added a photo of that part here. --Purple74 (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

BPI's certification page says 19 June 1995. In the U.S., the date is later: RIAA says it was 1 August. Binksternet (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I see you are talking about the LP in 1970, not the CD in 1995. Binksternet (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Lewismaster pointed out the release date is noted on the 1995 CD, just not where I was looking. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I need to insist and change again the date to June 5. Please, do not revert it back to June 3 and do not use Martin Popoff as a source for that: Popoff is a canadian, and he probably doesn't know much about british releases. This comes from a much better source. The british book "Wait for the Ricochet", by Simon Robinson who is a huge authority on the Deep Purple lore (with several publications on the matter and decades running the Deep Purple Appreciation Society).

--Purple74 (talk) 10:31, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Purple74, I haven't got that book yet, but I do agree that Simon Robinson is the most reliable source for anything connected to Deep Purple's history - and indeed is cited several places in the article anyway. A while back, I think Deep Purple's management tried to create an account here, and I bounced them towards Simon for advice (whether they did that or not, who knows?) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:54, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Deep Purple in Rock/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Binksternet (talk · contribs) 22:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Review in process... Binksternet (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Cheers, I first listened to this album when I was about 15, when the Roland D50 and Korg M1 were the "in" keyboards, heard the Hammond organ on "Speed King" and thought "what the hell is THAT?" I'd found the keyboard that could take on guitarists and drown them out :-D Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:26, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• Sound on Sound says something about "Bloodsucker" being reworked for Abandon, just in case it's useful. Binksternet (talk) 21:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Added Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• The audio engineer Phil McDonald is credited on the LP liner notes inside the gatefold as "Phillip McDonald". He needs a spelling check and a wikilink. Similarly, the photographer Brown is credited as Mike Brown on the LP, not Max.

In all serious the latter case was me getting confused with MaxBrowne. Oops. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Two credits on the LP liner notes are not listed in the Wikipedia article – these two are the band's roadies. They are credited as "Equipment: Mick (Egg) Angus and Ian (Bige) Hansford".

Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• The LP has Harvest on the centre label and EMI on the inside gatefold liner notes. The inner sleeve has both Harvest and EMI. Perhaps both record labels could appear in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 06:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Tricky one, that. I'd personally prefer to stick with Harvest, because that's what label the album is most strongly identified with and indicates the style of music, to some extent. Additionally the label on the LP does not mention EMI at all, but uses the term "The Gramaphone Company" consistent with pressings of that era. Martinevans123, do you have any thoughts on this? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I left all my unwanted vinyl in a skip in 1989. I'd stick with Harvest, as Threesie suggests. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Did you know that Jon Lord had been nominated for a posthumous sainthood.

Okay, if not the infobox, how about the article body prose? At the moment, none of the two labels are mentioned in prose. Let's say something about them to the reader. Binksternet (talk) 17:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I've done that. Actually, adding a bit about Harvest fits in neatly with the rest of the background leading up to MkII and recording In Rock, so that's a good suggestion. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• One instance of "Number 4" in the article... MOS:NUMBERSIGN says we can write it "number four" or "No. 4", the latter coded as {{Abbr|No.|Number}} which gives you a choice to make. Binksternet (talk) 07:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Tweaked, also clarified "No. 4 in the UK" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• The Track listing section needs a citation to support it. I would lift the text ouf of the "all_writing" parameter and paste it above the template. This is because the all_writing parameter adds a full stop, and your reference added there would get stuck in front of the period.

Done, and I checked all the times. The CD booklet says the time for "Hard Lovin' Man" is 6:38, which is completely wrong so I've used the time as reported on iTunes. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Your "Weekly charts" entry for the Billboard 200 has two references, but why not use the straight-from-the-horse's-mouth website reference? https://www.billboard.com/music/deep-purple/chart-history/TLP

In this specific instance, I just felt that {{sfn|Robinson|1995|p=22}} is shorter and more concise, however I see your point that the other citation is more accessible. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• "Weekly charts" should show that "Black Nights" rose to number 66 on the Billboard Hot 100 – a Christmas gift of sorts. https://www.billboard.com/music/deep-purple/chart-history/HSI

I'm not sure how to format the table to cite that, can you give me a hand? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. Binksternet (talk) 20:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• The guideline WP:ALBUMAVOID says we should avoid Sputnik reviews from "User"-level contributors. Unfortunately, one of those is in the article. Binksternet (talk) 16:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

In this instance, the citation is purely for the infobox genres; I suspect the proliferation of references there is the result of an edit war at some point. I've swapped them out for something more concrete. The description of "heavy metal" is not something the band like, and have always distanced themselves from it (as documented in book sources), but UCR and the Daily Telegraph cite it, so I suppose it's something we'll have to live with. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• The Germany concert photo could be scaled up since it's in a sort of widescreen format. You could replace the hard-coded 200px image size with the image file parameter upright=1.4 or something similar that allows the image to scale with window size.

I've done that, but the image is still a bit small compared the original. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm okay with it at 1.4, but there is leeway to increase it a step or two. You can keep changing the upright=1.x number until you get a happy size. At Help:Pictures the guidance says you run into problems higher than 2.5. I should say so! Binksternet (talk) 20:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• The Weekly chart for Singles has a width parameter hard-coded to 400 pixels. This could be changed to a percentage ( style="width: 30%" ) or just removed to allow the table to scale itself.

I've taken out the hard coded limit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• In the Weekly chart section, you might want to label the album table as "Album". You might opt to shift the Singles table to the right of the Album table, so they are side by side. Binksternet (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I do have to confess I really don't know how these chart tables are supposed to work; most of the time when I start beefing up an article, they're already in place and I don't have to do anything except maybe add citations. If you've got a good idea of what's supposed to go where, feel free to make the relevant changes, I definitely won't object. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I hear ya! I just copy and paste from something that already has what I'm looking for. Binksternet (talk) 20:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• That's it, all good. Congratulations! Binksternet (talk) 20:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, and for helping out as well - good teamwork. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Flight of the Rat meaning

We have been working on improving the Russian version of the page. The question is that we don’t know the correct translation for “Flight of the Rat” song title. We stuck between two meanings: “flying rat” versus “escaping rat”. Probably this is an English idiom. Please advise.

Voxamarkin (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Voxamarkin: The answer is in the article itself, strange that you don't see it if you translate the article. "Flight of the Rat" is a re-arrangement of "Flight of the Bumblebee", so both your translations are wrong. It should translate to "the flight of rats". I don't speak Russian at all, but I see that FotB translates as Полёт шмеля. Changing "bumblebee" with "rat", I get something like Полёт крысы? Keep in mind this is google translate. --Muhandes (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Muhandes: Your answer didn’t clarify the point. The source https://www.songfacts.com/facts/deep-purple/flight-of-the-rat says “The Rat" is a reference to a drug habit - Deep Purple made occasional anti-drug references in their songs and according to Gillan someone mentioned the classical composition "Flight of the Bumble Bee" and their organ man, Jon Lord, started playing variations around it. So it is not about the origin of the lyrics and meanings. — Voxamarkin (talk) 20:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry this was not the answer you were looking for. --Muhandes (talk) 23:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Bloodsucker Live

Bloodsucker is known to have been performed live in late 90s. It is also known that Gillan introducing the song to the crowd would say “The song is dedicated to management”. Need a solid proof on that introduction. Hint: YouTube is being banned. — Voxamarkin (talk) 20:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

• This should work — YouTube — Deep Purple Official — Voxamarkin (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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