Talk:Degree Lintner

To do

• Relate °Lintner to katals
• Find out more about the history of the unit
• Determine whether the solutions in the definition are supposed to be molar, molal, or normal

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved Il223334234 (talk) 01:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move

°Lintner → degree Lintner – or degrees Lintner, or Lintner (measure) to avoid typogrpical issues (Note WP:TITLE: Special characters. —  AjaxSmack  04:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose – I know nothing about this thing, but I suspect that "to avoid typogrpical issues" is not a good reason for a move. Say more if there's some guideline or policy that supports this suggestion, and I'll reconsider. – reconsidered base on other reasons; no problem with the degree symbol. Dicklyon (talk) 06:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support – This article is about the degrees Lintner unit, and the unit is often referred to as "degress Lintner" without using the special character (as is already stated in the lead paragraph). There is no good reason to use the special character in the title, and it looks strange to the reader. That is all true regardless of the discouragement of the use of such special characters as found in WP:TITLE, which further supports this move suggestion. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I remain unclear on what provisions you refer to. Can you quote the relevant bit from Wikipedia:TITLE#Special_characters and say how it applies here? And if there more basis to your assertions that there's "no good reason" or "it looks strange"? Dicklyon (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Darn edit conflicts. I just spent time writing a better response, and it got lost. Citing "Symbols (avoid them)" and the fact that there is a synonymous English word "degrees". Citing also examples °Brix and °KMW, which are in the same topic area, other examples of degrees found at Degree, and °C, °K, °F. Wikipedia seems to generally make page names that start with "°" as redirects to titles that use English words. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

That provision reads Symbols (avoid them): Symbols such as "♥", as sometimes found in advertisements or logos, should never be used in titles. This includes non-Latin punctuation such as the characters in Unicode's CJK Symbols and Punctuation block. I don't think this applies to common symbols such as those that have been available in non-Unicode, on the Mac keyboard (option-shift-8) since 1984, and in WP's wikimarkup insert menu below the edit box. Dicklyon (talk) 19:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support; proposal seems reasonable to me. Most readers aren't going to be typing "°Lintner" into the search box. bobrayner (talk) 12:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
• Tentative support doesn't seem consistent with other articles. Per BarrelProof basically. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Having studied the sources, it seems clear that °Lintner is uncommon, and that degrees Lintner and °L are pretty common. So I retract my opposition, with the understanding that tge reason given for the move was probably bogus, there being no policy provision against the use of such characters, but that there is a good rationale in making the name more familiar per commonness in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 18:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.