Talk:Delta Air Lines fleet

Deletion

This article contains the same information as Delta Air Lines word for word and looks like all of the information has been copied from that one article. All of the info in this article can be found at Delta Air LinesSpikydan1 (talk) 14:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding Delta Connection and Northwest Airlink

I'm wondering if we should include the fleet Delta uses for regional air travel. Dan (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

By standard Wikipedia conventions, we do not include the fleets of regional subsidiaries and partners. So I removed it from this article. ANDROS¹³³⁷ 00:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know there is a standard if there are only truely three pages that are built this way, the other two Malaysia Airlines fleet and Singapore Airlines fleet. Dan (talk) 02:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Northwest aircraft in Delta Livery

I'm wondering if there should be a new table for the Northwest Airlines aircraft that are painted in Delta livery?

eg. Northwest in Delta colours

Something seperate under Northwest Airlines Fleet. Zaps93 (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Just removed the list of aircraft (totals by type) that have been repainted. It is not really encyclopedic to have a daily tally of which aircraft have been painted just needs a one liner that the the aircraft are being repainted. Zaps93 has reverted the change as he/she thinks it is useful, we have plenty of amateur non-encyclopedic websites that can provide this sort of information to fans. Comments welcome. MilborneOne (talk) 17:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, not trying to turn this into a war. Bassicaly my reasons for keeping the 'livery' section are; Helps people know the amount of aircraft flying in Delta Air Lines livery but operating for Northwest Airlines, has as much right as 'Passengers' section, no rules against it, and it's encyclopedic it's just like the amount of aicraft in a fleet. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You said not really encyclopedic note wikipedia is an encyclopedia. MilborneOne (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

This is turning into an arguement, I wrote wrong word my appologies, I was not ment to put not really, I shall remove. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Not really an argument, I dont think the information is encyclopedic and you do. We will just wait for other opinions and abide by consensus. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 20:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It not a full argument, but it on the verge of one, like you said, we will have to wait and see what other people desire, and to be honest, I don't see why there is a seperate page for an airlines fleet? Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 20:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Once airlines merge

Hi, I have been wondering why there is a seperate fleet page when the information is shown on the airline articles. I then realised it's because it's showing the fleet of the soon to be big Delta. What I was wondering is wether this article be deleted once the airlines have actually merged as it would not need a seperate article. Your opinions? Zaps93 (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No, because the DL page fleet section right now is just a summary of what's on here. However, it should be merged into one table, as NW's page fleet section contains a table which should be saved as a historical fact.

Ishwasafish ^{click here!!!}

21:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

DC9-30 and 40 not being painted

Is DL not painting the DC9-30's and -40's, or are they flat-out retiring them? Is there a source for this?

Ishwasafish ^{click here!!!}

14:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware they plan to retire them before merge is complete. Not sure though. Zaps93 (talk) 17:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Route and IFE

I'm having a hard time finding where routes and IFE are not part of WP:AIRLINES. Now I can see where IFE could be considered not important but Routes are on every page discussing how fleet pages should look (Ref 1, Ref 2). This message is mainly aimed at zaps93 but intended for everyone. Also, if we're gonna eliminate Delta's premerger fleet, we should eliminate it from NWRP and Delta retired.Dan (talk) 17:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Time to combine fleets

Is it time to combine the fleets on this article. The pre-merger Northwest fleet is saved on the Northwest Airlines article. Delta will be taking delivery on it's first aircraft since the merger. And, as with the 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, and 2000 fleets, one for 2010 can be added with a note that it is the pre-merger Delta fleet. Eventually, these to fleets will have to combine.Dan (talk) 10:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

@Redlegsfan21: The article does say at the beginning that it incorporated Northwest's fleet after the merger. The 2010 Fleet table and timeline is reflective of that. Sam.gov (talk) 22:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Airbus deliveries

Does anyone know when the 5 A319s and 2 A320s that Delta currently has on order will be delivered? Could the delay in delivery of these aircraft be due to the NW/DL merger? --98.250.92.159 (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it is a matter of when, but if. I have heard by a few DL insiders on A.net that DL will not accept delivery of these aircraft. However, we don't know for sure, so I think the info is best left alone for now. ANDROS¹³³⁷ 18:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Yea, I have also seen on airliners.net some people saying things like DL would never place any more orders for Airbus aircraft. --98.250.92.159 (talk) 02:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

787 seating configuration

If you look at the row with information about the Boeing 787-8, you will see that under the seating capacity column that it will say that the 787-8 for DL will have 202 seats in a 48/154 configuration. That seems like quite a small seating capacity, given that Boeing states that the 787-8 will seat between 210 and 250 passengers. Does anyone know if that's the correct configuration? The article about CO says that their 787-8s will seat 228 passengers in a 36/192 configuration. Perhaps there was a typo, and maybe the DL 787-8 will actually have a 48/174 (222 seat) configuration, or something like that? --98.250.92.159 (talk) 02:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Update: I changed the seating capacity to 221 with 36 First class and 185 Economy class seats. There was a thread on A.net about the NW 787-8s, and it was stated on there that they would have that configuration. Here is the link: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3053020/. I know that it is from 2006, but it is more realistic to order 788s with 221 seats as opposed to 202. 98.250.92.159 (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Various Items...

The fleet section on Delta's website is out of date, specifically in regards to Economy Comfort mods and the number of aircraft in Delta's fleet.

747 - Delta's website says that there are 338 Y seats, but the Economy Comfort mods have been completed on these aircraft. One row of Y was removed, which reduces the count by 10 seats. The new Y seat count is 328. The current 747 config is: 393 (65/328).

757-200 - There are 48 75X (ex-Song) planes in the fleet. That's how many there were when Delta folded Song back into mainline Delta, and that's how many there still are. None have been parked, and no additional 757s have been modified to the 75X configuration. Additionally, the count of planes in the 757/75U configuration as of January 1, 2011 is 60. I can provide the ship numbers and/or registration numbers to back this up.

767-300ER - Several things to mention here:

76G - There are 7 of these in the fleet. 6 of them are ex-Gulf Air and one was originally built for Continental. They never took it, so Delta did. This is ship 1521. Perhaps the name of this configuration should be changed from "Ex-Gulf Air (76G)" to something else to reflect the fact that not all of these planes are actually ex-Gulf Air.

Business Elite Seats - Delta's website lists the number of BE seats as one less than the actual count because on 8+ hour flights, one BE seat is used for pilot rest. On flights less than 8 hours (and these planes do often operate flights less than 8 hours), Delta will sell all of the BE seats. Additionally, the 76T subfleet, used on flights greater than 12 hours is not even listed on Delta's website. These planes have 34 BE seats, and always do, no matter the length of the flight. In the space where 1C and 1E (2 seats) are typically located, there is a hard wall rest facility for the pilots.

Here's a summary of the 767-300ER configurations:

76L/76U	44 in the fleet	217 (36/181) *Only 35 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours.
76T	7 in the fleet	215 (34/181) *34 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours.
76G	7 in the fleet	215 (30/185) *Only 29 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours.

Note:

• A 76U is a 76L equipped with winglets.
• There are 58 (out of 59) active 767-300ERs currently. Ship 173 is parked.

Economy Comfort mods are underway on the 767-300ERs. On the 76L/U/T, one row is being removed for a Y seat count of 174. Eventually, when these planes receive lie-flat first class seats, the Y seat count will change again, but until those mods occur, the post-EC mod Y seat count will be 174. I do not know how many planes have received this mod, but this should probably be referenced in the article. Skidv25 (talk) 02:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I wish that DL could configure all of their 763ERs the same, so that there would be no sub-fleets. Regarding the 752s, has DL started to condense those subfleets yet? I think I saw a thread on A.net about that happening. On A.net right now, there is a thread still open regarding th 75Ns (the 5500-series 752s), but it is mainly about interior upgrades. Does anyone have any updates about the 752s? --98.250.92.159 (talk) 16:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. Does anyone know if N173DN (the 763ER currently parked) will be coming back into service soon? 98.250.92.159 (talk) 16:58, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

763ER - I don't know the status of ship 173, but I do know that the 76Ts (12+ hour flights) will go to a 36/175 configuration. I would imagine the 76L/U would be modified in a similar configuration. Delta is still figuring out what to do with the 76Gs; they may end up leaving the fleet.

752 - Mods have not started on these yet, other than some preliminary work on the 75N-5500. The eventual plan is for the domestic 6-door aircraft to go to a 28/164 configuration, and the domestic 8-door aircraft to go to a 28/158 configuration. Also, the galleys will be replaced with Atlas galleys. I'm thinking we may hear more about this at the beginning of next year, but, again, that's just a guess.Skidv25 (talk) 23:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding a section for special liveries

I was thinking we might add a section with special liveries. They are already included in the notes but we could take them out and put them in a table. Example:

Special Liveries

Registration	Livery	Aircraft
N3765	SkyTeam	Boeing 737-800
N659DL	SkyTeam	Boeing 757-200
N705TW	SkyTeam	Boeing 757-200
N717TW	SkyTeam	Boeing 757-200
N722TW	SkyTeam	Boeing 757-200
N171DZ	Habitat for Humanity	Boeing 767-300ER
N175DZ	SkyTeam	Boeing 767-300ER
N841MH	American Cancer Society	Boeing 767-400ER
N844MH	SkyTeam	Boeing 767-400ER
N845MH	Breast Cancer Research Foundation	Boeing 767-400ER
N701DN	"The Delta Spirit"	Boeing 777-200LR
N702DN	"The Spirit of Atlanta"	Boeing 777-200LR

We could also just list the SkyTeam liveries separate which also I would like to point out that I have not seen any photos of N705TW or N722TW in SkyTeam livery but listed it since it was already added in the fleet page. redlegsfan21 (talk) 02:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it's definitely something to consider, but I think the emphasis needs to be on the non-SkyTeam livery aircraft. We might be able to get away with only one picture of a SkyTeam plane. There's no reason to have pictures of four identical SkyTeam 757s on the same page. Alternatively, we could just hyperlink the special livery registration numbers in the fleet table to an external picture of the plane.

Here are the pictures of N705TW and N722TW.

Also, if the "decal planes" (N701DN, N841MH, etc.) qualify as special liveries, then we should also include N638DL (Jerry Grinstein thank you note) and N708DN (David C. Garrett dedication).

I just thought of this - If we do make a special liveries section, I think we should split it between full liveries and decals. And maybe SkyTeam could be a third category...

Skidv25 (talk) 04:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Current fleet table

I have formatted the current fleet table. I have also corrected the In service fleet for two aircraft types, removed the note All aircraft with wiglets for 737-700 and 737-800 as all next generation 737s come with wiglets, removed the column code as aircraft codes are universal and are unnecessary in an airlines fleet table and replaced redirects to direct links. I do not know how far the column IFE is relevant, but have retained it. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, — Abhishek ^{Talk to me} 18:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Despite my efforts to tidy the fleet table, Schalkcity has reverted them without citing any reason. The table contains too much of info and is not per the guidelines at WP:AVIMOS. —   Abhishek   ^{Talk to me} 13:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

If you remove all those codes, then also update the columns IFE and Notes. Because now it makes no sense. Also, the pending updates of several aircraft is not reflected in any way, as was the case before your alterations. Also, the orders for the (second hand) MD-90 aircraft are not there anymore. So, if you think your alterations have made any improvement, please make full alterations, not just removing some things and removing information and not updating other information. Schalkcity (talk) 15:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I have made proper alterations and a fellow admin has agreed with me and has quoted that the fleet table looks like a travel guide. You only fail to adhere to the aviation manual of style and want to have your way. —   Abhishek   ^{Talk to me} 15:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

To add the code of the aircraft are not something exclusive to the airline, they are universal codes of the aircraft. Instead of reverting and restoring the table that looks like a garbage can, you could have made changes to the same table. —   Abhishek   ^{Talk to me} 15:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

So now, after your alterations, several things are missing:

1. The orders for the MD-90's.

2. The aircraft updates that are announced / are going on, thereby changes the cabin lay-outs (number of seats).

Then, without the codes in the codes column, the codes in the IFE and Notes column make no sense, so these columns have to be updated. Schalkcity (talk) 15:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

While I do think that this version of the fleet table looks better, I'm confused as to why you would remove information. Though poorly organized, all the information in the old table was relevant. The ideal table would strike the balance between organization and information. You only have organization. You state "the code of the aircraft are not something exclusive to the airline." Actually, in the case of Delta, they are unique. At no other airline will you see codes such as 75N, 76L, or M8R. IMO, these codes are necessary to understand Delta's complex fleet, and how Delta deploys their aircraft. Some of the codes designate aircraft that fly certain routes or have special usages, while others fly all over Delta's network. Either way, I don't think an article about Delta's fleet can be complete without some mention as to how/where DL flies each type of plane. Moving forward, we need to find the right balance between organization and information.Skidv25 (talk) 00:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The fleet table is only meant to list the different aircraft that an airline operates along with the seat configuration for each type. To mention how these are used on routes is not worthy at all and doing so will make it look like a travel guide and wikipedia is not a travle guide. Besides the organisation of the table was done per the project standards. Go through Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines) for more.—  Abhishek  ^Talk 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The project standards in the link you provided allow for route information to be in the table. Skidv25 (talk) 13:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

2010 Fleet

The article list the fleets of PMDL and PMNW every 10 years. That means that 2010 would also need to be listed to continue the pattern. However, since the 2010 fleet is, obviously, post-merger, I don't think it belongs in either the PMDL or the PMNW sections. Does anyone have any input on where to place the 2010 fleet table in the article? (BTW, the 2010 fleet can be found in Delta's 2010 Annual Report, located here: http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/annual_reports/2010_10K.pdf) Skidv25 (talk) 03:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily true, the merger of operating certificates occurred on January 31, 2011, the day Northwest ceased to exist. Just taking the final numbers from before the merger would work. If you didn't want to do that, it would probably be best to just add them into the Delta Air Lines section of the historical fleets.

Domestic Economy Comfort

Delta has announced that also all domestic aircraft will be reconfigured to include economy comfort seats. How should this be included in the table, without destroying the whole table? Here are the new configs:
DC-9-50: 16/109 (124) --> 16/14/ 90 (120)
MD-88: 16/133 (149) --> 16/15/118 (149) (MD-88 are now being reconfigured from 14/128 (142) into 16/133)
MD-90: 16/144 (160) --> 12/15/134 (161)
737-700: 12/112 (124) --> 12/18/ 88 (118)
737-800: 16/144 (160) --> 16/18/126 (160)
A319: 12/114 (126) --> 12/18/102 (132)
A320: 16/132 (148) --> 12/18/120 (150)
757-200: several configs, but with 18-26 EC seats
757-300: 24/200 (224) --> 24/23/177 (224)
767-300: 30/231 (261) --> 30/28/203 (261)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.148.252.228 (talk) 18:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I would say something like: "Delta announced that all domestic aircraft will be reconfigured with Economy Comfort seats beginning in 2012" above the fleet table as a note somehow but make sure that it has a source. Snoozlepet (talk) 15:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Snoozlepet. I don't think those configurations have been confirmed by Delta, so I don't think we should include them in the table at this time. Let's wait until the aircraft start rolling out and then adjust the configuration numbers. Skidv25 (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I've added a few sentences text about the fleet wide roll out of EC. I've also included the ref to the Delta website. I agree with waiting for the first aircrafts to roll out with the new configs before adding those new configs to the table. Seems like Delta has spare time and money to do all these new configs in such a short time. 62.140.137.100 (talk) 09:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I have a really hard time believing those are the new configurations. I think it's almost impossible to add leg room without removing seats. Has anything been confirmed from Delta.redlegsfan21 (talk) 23:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Delta hasn't confirmed anything about what the new seat configs will be. That's why we the article only mentions that Domestic EC is coming, and the capacities in the aircraft table remain unchanged. Skidv25 (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

For now we just need to mention that Delta is adding the Domestic Comfort Seats to its planes beginning in 2012. Once Delta has confirmed the new configurations, then we can add it to the table. Snoozlepet (talk) 03:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know how many EC seats the 75J and the 75M will have? Skidv25 (talk) 06:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by "75J" and "75M?" Which version of the 757 are you referring to? —Compdude¹²³ 16:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

References

Number of aircraft

Looking at the Delta website, some number of aircraft don't match with the table.
Delta website: B757-200: 167 aircraft, according to table: 165 including stored --> has the phasing out already begun?
Delta website: B767-300ER: 58 aircraft, according to table: 59 including stored --> seems like an error?
Delta website: B747-400: 15 aircraft, according to table: 16 including stored --> has the phasing out already begun?
Does anybody have info on these 3 matters?
The numbers on the Delta website are of 30 June, 2011, so I understand if some numbers are lower now, because they are phasing out several aircraft. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 14:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The number of aircraft listed on Delta.com lists only the number of aircraft currently in service (as of June 30). It does not include stored aircraft. In some instances, the number on Delta.com and the 'in service' number on this page may still not match, and that is simply because the numbers on Delta.com are several months old now. Delta's fleet is very dynamic and changes every week.

To answer your questions, the total number of 757 in this table is 175. 160 in service, 15 stored. It's hard to say whether the aircraft that are stored will come back out or not. DL sent 2 5500-series 75N aircraft to MZJ recently, as well as several newer (or should I say 'less old') 757/75U aircraft. These 757/75Us will probably come out when older 757 aircraft are parked. The plan with the 747 is to get rid of two. The one that is stored right now is just having maintenance deferred while Delta flies the two that are going to be leaving. It will re-enter service when the other two planes leave. The 7ER has two stored aircraft, and I have no idea what the plan is.

Skidv25 (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I agree with your point. New question: when will those 2 B747-400's leave? I heard something about Q3 2012? Is this correct? Because by then either the lease expires and / or they are up for heavy maintenance checks, if I'm not wrong. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 14:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I think they are being returned to the lessor. Q3 2012 sounds about right. Skidv25 (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Hearing rumors now that DL will keep all 16. If this turns out to be true, it is AMAZING news!! Skidv25 (talk) 23:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

No longer rumors, its on Delta's website. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 16:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

How many A320 aircraft is Delta replacing

When Delta is receiving the 737-900ER, it is replacing some of the older A320s with them. But exactly how many A320s are being replaced? It is essential in improving the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 (talk) 00:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

The answer to this is not known. Delta has the capability to use these A320s to adjust capacity. DL can slow down or accelerate the retirements of the older A320s as the 739s enter service based on their needs next year. Note that 41 A320s were from 1990-1993 and 28 were delivered from 1997-2003. Skidv25 (talk) 23:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge back

I personally think the Northwest fleet information should be merged back into the Delta Air Lines fleet article. Both the pre-merger Delta and Northwest fleets are relevant to Delta's history, and there was no consensus to create a separate article for Northwest's fleet. ANDROS¹³³⁷_TALK 18:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

If i am the reader, I want Delta info I go to Delta, I want Northwest I go to Northwest. Kairportflier (talk) 15:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Though I was initially shocked about this change, I agree with Kairportflier. —Compdude¹²³ 02:34, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

2013 Fleet

According to Delta's official website http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/about-delta/corporate-information/aircraft-fleet.html their fleet consists of 719 aircraft. Unregistered user 67.42.147.192 insists the information is wrong and keeps reverting the article to the version of November 2012. He claims that this information is older than 4 or 5 months. Could somebody please help me proving that the information on Delta's OFFICIAL! website is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FonEengIneeR7 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Let me see if I can help. You are attempting to update the Delta Fleet Table with information that is posted on delta.com. I think that there are a couple of issues at play here:

1. The Wikipedia fleet table is constantly being updated to reflect the actual current state of the fleet. Many of the people who update the table are Delta employees or retirees with access to actual fleet numbers. Many choose not to log in when they update - just look at the history.
2. The November date does not refer to the entire page. It just refers to the fleet total in that sentence only - not the entire page. The fleet totals in the table and the article text have never matched and are never updated at the same time.
3. The fleet page on delta.com is updated just four times per year. The current listing is for the quarter ending March 31. It was last published during the first week of May. There will not be an update until the first week of August. The actual age of the data is more like one to four months. These updates are taken directly from required SEC filings and only show the fleet disposition on the last business day of the quarter. The size of the fleet shown on delta.com does not reflect winter stored aircraft that are now back in service. Delta used to include a date with the data but the dates disappeared when they made delta.com more compatible for smart phones about a year ago.
4. The fleet table shows a great deal more information than what is shown on delta.com such as aircraft on order and the status of major modifications or reconfiguations of existing aircraft.

I hope this is helpful to you. 67.42.209.160 (talk) 01:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Really need to use a reliable source for the fleet info and the Delta site appears to meet the criteria, it doesnt matter if it is a few months out of date as this is an encyclopedia, if you want an up to the minute fleet lists then suggest loads of fan sites are available. Also note Many of the people who update the table are Delta employees or retirees with access to actual fleet numbers are not actually reliable sources and shouldnt be tweaking the numbers without a reliable references. MilborneOne (talk) 12:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

@MilborneOne That's exactly what I want to say. Thanks for getting to the heart of the problem. FonEengIneeR7 (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

FonEengIneeR7 Please just let it go. This page has been well edited for quite some time. Don't muck it up! 67.42.208.34 (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I would say if it is being edited using unreliable sources it probably needs to be looked at a bit more closely and the data changed to reflect sources. I have seen some other iffy stuff but will leave it a few days for the regular editors to add citations to the unreferenced data before I give it a prune. MilborneOne (talk) 18:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter how up-to-date the sources are. If a source for the fleet info is a few months out of date, that's not a big deal. As long as it does get periodically updated, (as is the case with a quarterly report) that's fine. Quarterly reports have all the info we need for this table. If I were JetBlast (talk · contribs), I'd be such a stickler on what can and can't go in the table. Even though I'm not him, I still think it's unnecessary to go into great deal about things like how many aircraft are in storage, how many aircraft have winglets, and how many aircraft have received the latest seating upgrade. Why? Because if you have all this extra info in the notes section, it increases the length of the table, makes it look more complicated and bloated, and most annoyingly, the whole table cannot be viewed without readers having to scroll up and down the page. —Compdude¹²³ 21:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Compdude123 (talk · contribs) For those reasons above is why i am so keen to keep things nice and tidy. If you let unnecessary data in, the flood gates open and the article becomes a spotter page. --JetBlast (talk) 21:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. Also, in my opinion, it's not just a ton of notes that make the table really long. It's also the presence of a ton of different seating configurations that greatly increase the table's length. I've always had this idea that we should just list the total seating capacity for each aircraft, get rid of the number of first/business/economy seats, and make it sortable. That way, you can sort by seating capacity. This is how it currently is on the Southwest Airlines article, and I really like that. However, I imagine it would be quite controversial to get rid of the # of seats in each class, which is why I've never proposed it. —Compdude¹²³ 21:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

717-200 and 737-900ER edit wars

We currently have an edit war underway in the current fleet table for these two aircraft types. It appears that multiple editors are using different criteria to determine when an aircraft becomes a part of the Delta fleet. Please see if we can agree on a method and move forward.

A related problem occurs when the a new aircraft is added or subtracted in the "In Service" column the "Orders" column is not updated with the change. Please update the entire line when editing.

The warring editors are also not updating the totals for both columns when they edit. Please be complete when editing the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.215.45 (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

DC-9 Is NOT retired yet

Delta has specifically said that 2 DC9s will continue to fly for the rest of the month as spare aircraft. The DC9 therefore is not "retired" yet, even if it is no longer flying scheduled flights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:9D00:165A:3556:1018:50E1:EE6A (talk) 02:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. The last thing I saw on the Delta website is that they retired the type on January 6, but I'll check into this and see what I can find. Sam.gov (talk) 18:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

After checking, I did actually find a source that say that 2 DC-9s are being kept as backups. Here is the link: Workhorse DC-9 Heads to the Afterlife in the Sky. I found this in the middle of the 2nd paragraph of the news article. Again, thanks for pointing this out. Sam.gov (talk) 18:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The aircraft is now officially retired on January 22, 2014 according to this source: http://airchive.com/blog/2014/01/23/delta-dc-9-officially-retired/. Rzxz1980 (talk) 20:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

747-400 launch customer marking

The fleet time line from 1980-present has Delta marked as a launch customer for the 747-400. Delta didn't fly the -400 before the Northwest merger, the actual launch customer, though. Though they acquired these original aircraft, it doesn't seem correct to have them as a launch customer for these. —Bpogi (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

737-900ER and Embraer 190 order canceled

Delta's CEO confirmed on July 15, 2015 that Delta has cancelled an order for 20 used Embraer E190 and 40 new Boeing 737-900ER aircraft after pilots rejected a tentative contract proposal. — Piper13 (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

References

MD-88 Fleet Count Confusion

Many people are editing the number of MD-88 airframes in service to 117. The correct number is 116 as N909DL has not returned to service since its accident at LGA. Please understand the "in service" column represents the number of aircraft operating, not the total number of aircraft owned by Delta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.118.126 (talk) 01:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Special Livery Section

Two experienced and respected editors are attempting to remove this section from the article. Each time they remove it they state that the section content is "Not Notable". They have removed it on three occasions in the last week.

1) The special liveries are not notes in the Fleet Table. It is a separate stand alone section.

2) Livery Sections are allowed per Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Registrations found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Registrations#Airline_fleet_lists.

Here is the applicable quote from the Airline fleet lists section: "Airline fleet lists should not include registrations, although aircraft in special paint schemes can be identified either in a Livery section or in the general text." This project was adopted in June 2009 and is still current. Instead of an Edit War Wikipedia requires collaboration and discussion. I have left repeated messages on both editors talk pages and received no response. Please discuss the issue here before you remove the section again. 70.57.120.194 (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree, as you state, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation, Special Liveries are fully acceptable and should not be removed from this page without consensus. I have, however, simply moved the table after the fleet gallery as none of the presented pictures include any of the mentioned special livery fleet, and that the pictures themselves should be closer to the actual fleet table. -Piper13 (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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Boeing 757

Delta's website and Planespotter both have different numbers for active 757 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.81.122.3 (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Boeing 757-200

Which two aircraft was stored?Planespotter.net Website said there are 102 757-200 in delta fleet

Sources?

I keep having my edits reverted, without anyone actually citing a source. The two sources in the article are the one on Delta's website (https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/about-delta/corporate-information/aircraft-fleet.html), which says 867 aircraft, but is only correct as of March 31. The other source is Planespotters, generally regarded as reliable and used as a reference on other airlines' pages, which says 888, as of July 2. Why are people "fixing" my edits to show 875 or 877 aircraft, neither of which is in either source given? If there is another source I should be aware of, let me know.Mirza Ahmed (talk) 10:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I noticed the last editor mentioned that 11 757s were for charter-use only, but that's still aircraft Delta owns. Most of the other airlines (e.g. Hawaiian, Sun Country etc) use some of their fleet for charters, but these aircraft are still listed in their pages. Alaska Airlines' three freighters are also listed in the fleet section of its page, so what standard are we using here?Mirza Ahmed (talk) 10:47, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

This is unfortunately true, because most sources for airlines' fleets are not viable, but still planespotters.net is listed as it was edited/updated by volunteers. The only way to make sure what is the current status of the aircraft is by checking it in flightradar24, or flightaware live tracking sites. That's what is being done on planespotters, or fleetlist and similar alternitive aviation sites. When I first took a look to our Wikipedia list, I saw relevant and most frequently updated fleetlist in the WWW, and I wanted to contribute. That's why I kept editing... Gotech8 (talk)

Just to note that planespotters and tracking websites are not particularly reliable sources, normally the airline or supplier websites or official registry sites should be used. MilborneOne (talk) 15:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Agree! I suggest to wait for official 10k-Form from Delta Air Lines, it shell be published by the end of the month.Gotech8 (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Do not edit an article because you "thought" something, it is WP:OR. Use only WP:Reliable source and update tense if they are dated. Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources...Gotech8 (talk) 07:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Questions about Boeing 717

According to Planespotters.net, N969AT, N975AT, and N987AT are stored and out of service. Wiki has all in service but Delta only has 88 out of the 91 Boeing 717s flying at the moment and a flickr photo shows N987AT retired. Should we put the Boeing 717 fleet from 91 to 88 or keep it the way it is at 91? I want to put it at 88 though but I'm unsure so I came to the talk page. Swagging (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Stop reverting edits without citation

I keep getting an edit reverted. Do the math and add up the numbers in the orders section; they add up to 238. If you have citations that there are two more on order, update the relevant row and cite it.Mirza Ahmed (talk) 23:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Planespotters source

I just restored planespotters source since someone deleted that without an explanation. As you can see, this source still being used for most of airline article and no one have any problem with that. If anyone disagree, feel free to let me know your opinion. Thanks! Nguyen QuocTrung (talk) 18:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Delta 767-300ER retirement

Recently the 767-300ER retirement was more or less reversed. Delta called them a flex fleet which works both internationally and domestically. No matter what actually happens, its basically known that the 767-300ERs are probably not going to all be withdrawn in 2025.

https://airlineweekly.com/2021/11/delta-sees-boeing-757s-767s-as-flex-fleets-for-next-decade/

Being discussed heavily at airliners.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.84.9 (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Delta 717 retirement date

https://twitter.com/byerussell/status/1549024702521376768?s=21&t=S_dKn_VCQTwywjgtWqea4g

VP Mahendra Nair so claims that the 717s will stay longer due to their status as a flex fleet. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468491&p=23407795&hilit=717#p23407795 99.153.34.244 (talk) 20:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

717s are being reactivated, unknown how many.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N967AT TheBirdInternet (talk) 21:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

So, is this grounds to finally remove "To be retired by 2025" next to the 717 column in this article? 99.153.34.244 (talk) 00:14, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Flight 523

Flight 523 was not a 737, rather a DC-9. 173.14.58.225 (talk) 06:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)