Talk:Demand response

Deleted references

One of the previous edits (User:Saganaki- 03:17, 14 October 2006 Saganaki- ) deleted these two references:

• EPAct 2005: An Interview with Alison Silverstein Alison Silverstein, former Senior Energy Policy Advisor at FERC, thoughts on EPAct 2005, AMI-MDM, and demand response

I have reviewed them and they seem relevant enough.
MGTom 10:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is a further list of deleted references. Some of them may be worth reinstating:

• What Is Demand Response? A brief overview of demand response, its benefits, & capabilities. (Link broken)
• Demand Response in a Nutshell
• Demand Response: Risks, Rewards for Early Adopters
• Distributed Generation's Technology Threesome Demand management, distributed generation and alternative energy work in unison to solve peak demand problems

MGTom 10:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I had a look at the last link: Distributed Generation's Technology Threesome That link is very useful. Why was it dremoved? (HeidenreichThomas (talk) 05:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC))

Footnotes

None of the footnotes reference anything. Is this the "removed references" that you were talking about? -Nathan24601 (talk) 21:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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Types of DR: Contradiction and probably invalid implication

The article says "There are three types of demand response -". The source it uses to support this claim however explicitly says that there are only two types of DR. Furthermore, this site http://www.enernoc.com/our-resources/white-papers/demand-response-a-multi-purpose-resource-for-utilities-and-grid-operators claims that there are four.

I feel that the current text implies that there is somehow standard way to divide DR into three types, which appears to be false.

I would suggest altering the statement to "Methods for demand response can be divided into the following categories:". Or even "The following three terms are used to divide demand response into categories:".

Jacobakkerboom (talk) 12:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Definitions for D.R.

You wrote in a quote:".. or when system reliability is jeopardized.." For my own it should mean: "or when system availability is jeopardized.."

because with the switch (shown in the photo) the electricity provider is not affecting reliability but availability! --Cosy-ch (talk) 09:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The lead

The lead is a mess. It's way too long and contains multiple definitions of DR, none of which is satisfactory. If not one else wants to fix it I'll try to take a stab at it. Kendall-K1 (talk) 22:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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Daily Load Diagram

The daily load diagram could use time-stamps along the x axis to show how load changes over the time of day. Alternatively, changing the caption to specify what time of day the peaks and troughs take place could be sufficient. 129.49.100.183 (talk) 19:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

It should be explained more explicitely that this demand response is a novel concept, still largly experimental and that, as of 16 March 2022, the effects are barely noticeable on the general power call. Also quite a departure from the premisses on which electric grids have been built everywhere since there are electric grids: that of a market driven solely by demand, with a strictly just-in-time generation and transport.

The social and political implications should receive more coverage too, since everything in the modern world is organised on the basis of electricity being available on-demand. --Noliscient (talk) 20:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Article is a complete mess

The article is totally unstructured, the sequence of sections is arbitrary, full of duplications. A fair amount needs to be updated.

I dont agree with the prior comment that DR is a "novel concept ...still largly experimental". The South African energy crisis is proof that this is reality.--Wuerzele (talk) 21:46, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Links to Energy demand management

The lead should explicitly establish the relationship between the subject of the article and the sister page Energy demand management. Currently it is mum on the management topic (although the Energy demand management#Types claims to include Demand response and only links to the article late in the section Demand response#Incentives to shed loads, and the definition surrounding this link flatly contradicts the one available by clicking on the link itself. If the terminology is confusing in real life, this should be explicitly explained in the text. Otherwise, this article, the sister one, or both need reworking in the definition parts. --Викидим (talk) 16:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I suggest they are merged Chidgk1 (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Curtailment service

The curtailment service, just like the subject of the article is a relatively novel and not very successful (yet?) concept, so a section on the subject, perhaps, can be added here. In particular, a definition of Curtailment service provider would be nice. Викидим (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Merge Negawatt market into here?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was no consensus. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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It seems that nowadays negawatts are the units of demand response Chidgk1 (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose, Negawatt market is a barely notable concept that never caught on, merging it would be WP:UNDUE. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 19:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I see nothing there to merge. The most I can see added to this article is something along the lines, Amory Lovins in 1985 coined a term negawatts to describe the demand reduction units. Викидим (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

SailingInABathTub Викидим I agree that the article contains a fair amount of rubbish. But unless either of you want to make a formal proposal to delete negawatt market why don't we merge it then you can delete the 99% you don't like? Otherwise it may waste readers time for years to come. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I was thinking about an RfD, but the term "negawatts" was quite popular in the 1990s, so, perhaps, there is a little bit of notability in the expression itself: history, shaping the thought. The term does not pique my curiosity enough to investigate further, but a cursory check of sources was enough to convince me that this is not a quick material for deletion. The negawatt article, of course, needs to be trimmed to avoid the current outright duplication. The "demand response" article should be the main one about the notion. Викидим (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Seconded. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 21:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

• I say there should be a very selective merge, with most of it trimmed. Almost all the sources on negawatt market are over a decade old, and much of the content is duplicative concepts. Reywas92^Talk 13:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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