Talk:Demanufacture (album)

Added Some Pieces

Added Extra (Digipack) tracks from the digipack extra's

Instrumental version?

So an instrumental version of Demanufacture was used in the game Carmageddon? Is there any way to get a hold of that instrumental version? Don't get me wrong; I love Burton's vocals, but an instrumental Demanufacture would be incredible to listen to.... Drev19

Oh it is great, it's my favourite game soundtrack, the perfect mix of Game and Music, I just wish I knew where my damn CD was.BathTub 15:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Try and get hold of the game then rip the cd and burn to a seperate cd, or just skip the first track (data) when you use it in your cd-player, I'm not sure there is a seperate version out there MindTwister

The Carmageddon game CD can simply be played in a CD Player and indeed you can listen to instrumental versions of Demanufacture, Zero Signal and Body Hammer. I purchased the game off Amazon just to hear these instrumental versions.David s fox (talk) 02:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Did someone remove groove metal from the genre section, or was it never in there to begin with? Because this album has very clear, very prominent groove metal aspects, and saying it's just industrial metal is misleading and inaccurate.--76.100.210.211 22:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The "Groove Metal" tag is a very recent addition to the Metal lexicon. This tag simply didn't exist back in the early to mid-1990s, when Pantera, Machine Head, Prong and Sepultura were in their prime. They were simply labelled Thrash metal, and that was all.

And Fear Factory are definately Industrial Metal. Musicaindustrial 01:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Fear Factory also contains many elements of Death Metal, from the aggressive growled vocals to the heavy distorted caustic guitars. I say this also from personal experience: i listen to a lot of death metal from the classics, Morbid Angel, Death, Obituary, etc to melodic death metal and recent developments such as Dark Tranquility, In Flames and Carnifex (deathcore). I would say that Fear Factory definutely deserves the additional label of death metal especially in this album (and most of the others, but moreso the first two). This genre should definutely be considered to be added to the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.88.135 (talk) 00:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

OK bros, this album is NOT thrash metal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.140.88 (talk) 10:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Mix

The present version of this article suggests that two mixes were made at the same time, one by Colin Richardson and one by Monte Conner, and that the latter's was chosen. This comes as quite a surprise, given that the 2005 Demanufacture re-release credits Greg Reely, Rhys Fulber and Fear Factory for the final mix, and the liner notes mention that this mix was made due to the rejection of Richardson's mix. At no point is it ever said that Conner mixed the album. I am going to rewrite the section concerning the two mixes of the album, as the present information is highly inaccurate. - 81.111.209.147 (talk) 04:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 November 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. I’m also not seeing definitive consensus to move Demanufacture to Demanufacturing, but also no opposition against the move either; so, no prejudice against another editor performing the aforementioned move. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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• Demanufacture (album) → Demanufacture
• Demanufacture → Demanufacture (process)

– I believe the album is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over a two-line dictionary definition. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 21:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

• Support – page views agree – the Fear Factory album is primary by a factor of about 10-to-1. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose but move Demanufacture → Demanufacturing - As an encyclopedia, the root meaning of a topic should be primary over any commercial products named for that, regardless of page views (refer to the old apple vs Apple Inc. situation). In this case, the article about root meaning is not, in fact, a "two-line dictionary definition" - it is a stub with possibilities, but it is at the wrong title per WP:GERUND (see manufacturing for the equivalent). -- Netoholic @ 19:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • If we do this your way, and move Demanufacture → Demanufacturing, then why not also move Demanufacture (album) → Demanufacture? What's preventing it?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Because we tend to WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT parts of speech related to a topic to the article for that topic. -- Netoholic @ 04:11, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
      • We've established that the album is the primary topic – putting a hatnote to Demanufacturing at the top of the article basically accomplishes the exact same thing... Based on your suggestion, I still support the first current proposal, but I also support moving Demanufacture → Demanufacturing. Then just do a hatnote from the first to the second. Problem solved. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
        • "We've" not established that. I explicitly disagree with the idea that a commercial product can ever be primary over a concept its named for, as I explained in my vote, so your conclusion is begging the question. -- Netoholic @ 08:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

" it is a stub with possibilities" - And the album is an article with possibilities, maybe GA or FA. Per WP:ASTONISH, it's safe to say most readers will be looking for the album and not the two-line dictionary definition, per the evidence from Google searches, above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:08, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

• ... and most people looking up "A/apple" are looking to read about the company, not the fruit. It matters not. Google will still deliver readers to the appropriate page - search engines laregely do not care about our page titles, since they use instead content and context to produce search results over page titles. It is in service of Wikipedia's nature as an encyclopedia that general knowledge concepts should always be primary topics over commercial products. In 10/25/50/100 years, the general knowledge concept will remain of interest, whereas the commercial products are fleeting. -- Netoholic @ 06:32, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per Netoholic and Support his porposal. I agree we have not established the album as the primary topic. Even if the process is moved to "demanufacturing", it can still be the primary topic of "demanufacture" and as such be redirected to from there, per the guidelines. MegaSloth (talk) 14:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per books. 53 in the Dutch album charts or 7.000 hits for the process. Obviously entertainment trivia, even ultra-obscure entertainment trivia, will always get more drive bys than an article on environmental recycling. But this is an encyclopedia, or trying to be. Let's not make ourselves dumber than we already are. :( 09:31, 8 December 2018 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk • contribs)
• Support first per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The album get 8 times the pageviews despite the stub being at the base name. Neutral on what to title second, although "demanufacture" appears to be the noun used in the two refs. Station1 (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

And the rest of the guideline? Why bother having a guideline, if Pageviews are all? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Well, if we go by incoming wikilinks, 8 of the 10 pointing to Demanufacture actually intend this album instead. If we go by Google hits, everything on the first 5 pages of results (except our article and wiktionary) is about the album. And although long-term significance is purely a matter of personal opinion, some would say the 1995 "heavy metal classic" is more significant than a 3-sentence WP:DICDEF that hasn't been touched since it was created over 2 years ago, when this article was moved to its current title without discussion. Station1 (talk) 05:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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