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Depopulation

It is strange that 12 ethnics depopulated in 2000-2010. Why? Mistake in census?--Kaiyr (talk) 17:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Census data for spaekers of language of PRC

Are there Census data for spaekers of language of PRC? Where I get it? For example quanty of miao language by Chna census? It is strange that 12 ethnics depopulated in 2000-2010. Why? Mistake in census? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiyr (talk • contribs) 17:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Source for Households Data

Can anyone confirm the source of the households data? As I read it, it should be from the CIA World Factbook, but I can't see that information on https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html Cjb (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Racial demographics

So there is a ton of information on ethnic demographics in China but none on racial demographics. Do the Chinese not have a census counting the number of African-chinese or caucasian-chinese? The 'foreigner' label is the closest thing mentioned. I would be interested to know but I am having bad luck looking in English sources TreboniusArtorius (talk) 22:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

The biggest census which records such things, the United States census, recognizes that race is a matter of self-identification and is neither an objective nor a scientific category. So it would be inappropriate to synthesize the number of African expatriates into a reading of the number of "blacks" in China, etc. Shrigley (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Race information is displayed in some demographics pages, it is hardly inappropriate. Race can be defined with genetic phenotype markers as it pertains to geographic ancestry, but yes the census can only for practical purposes obtain this information through self-identification. There are many different definitions of race to keep in mind as well. More information on either the race or ethnic make-up of foreigners in China would be a great addition to this page. Although with that population being less than 1% it is probably insignificant I suppose. TreboniusArtorius (talk) 00:05, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Historical population most likely incorrect.

The section 'historical population' states that the historical population of China was:

• 2100 BC: 1,000,000
• 2 AD: 8,000,000
• 1000: 8,000,000
• 1500: 15,000,000
• 1650: 17,000,000
• 1800: 26,000,000
• 1900: 40,000,000
• 1910: 43,214,000

I am pretty sure a zero is missing here. But I don't know if the same is applying to the years before '1000'. --Wester (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

References

Reliable sources

This article listed in its references section two links to travelchinaguide.com. This is a commercial travel agent and tour guide sales site. It is not a reputable source of demographic information. Rincewind42 (talk) 16:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Total fertility rate.

The TFR at 1.18 seems suspiciously low. All other sources indicate TFR between 1.5-1.8.--Kohelet (talk) 07:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

State atheism?

The line, "The Chinese government has implemented state atheism since 1949." is without citation and may be debatable. While state atheism has at times been the fact, particularly during the cultural revolution, there remains questions. Today China does not practice state atheism. They party is atheist but the constitution in word and in practice allows religion within limits. Limits on religion is not the same as atheism. The current statement needs a verifiable source or else changed. Rincewind42 (talk) 14:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Languages of China in census

Why there is no census statistics for Languages of China--Kaiyr (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethnic groups 1953-1964 census

Where I can get data Ethnic groups 1953-1964 census?--Kaiyr (talk) 06:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Explaining the great die-off of 1960

This article is missing the explanation for the great 1960 die-off. This book seems to provide the explanation, though I have not read this book yet, only a review: "In 1958, Mao Zedong ordered all sparrows to be killed. As a direct result, millions of people starved to death." "The problem with the Great Sparrow Campaign became evident in 1960. The sparrows, it seemed, didn't only eat grain seeds. They also ate insects. With no birds to control them, insect populations boomed. Locusts, in particular, swarmed over the country, eating everything they could find — including crops intended for human food. People, on the other hand, quickly ran out of things to eat, and millions starved. Numbers vary, of course, with the official number from the Chinese government placed at 15 million. Some scholars, however, estimate that the fatalities were as high as 45 or even 78 million. Chinese journalist Yang Jisheng, who chronicled the famine in his book "Tombstone," estimates the deaths at 36 million people. (The book, published in the U.S. last year, is banned in China.)"

A book to look into to improve the page...
Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962, by Yang Jisheng, http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13538825-tombstone
--Tallard (talk) 09:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The second paragraph under the table needs work

The second paragraph under the table needs work.

In 1993 China conducted its first population census since 1934. It was by far the least thorough and accurate census taken since 1949 and disproved that China was a nation of more than 700 million people, or about two-fifths of the world's population. The census provided demographers with a set of data on China's sex-age structure, fertility and mortality rates, and population density and distribution. Information was also gathered on minority ethnic groups, rural population, and homosexual relationships. For the first time since the People's Republic of China was founded, demographers had reliable information on the size and composition of the Chinese work force. The nation began preparing for the 1982 census in late 1976. Chinese census workers were sent Canada and Korea to study modern census-taking techniques and automation. calculators were installed in every provincial-level unit except Tibet and were connected to a central processing system in the Bombay headquarters of the State Statistical Bureau. Pretests and small scale trial runs were conducted and checked for accuracy between 1980 and 1981 in twenty-four provincial-level units. Census stations were opened in rural production brigades and urban neighborhoods. Beginning 1 October 1989, each household sent a representative to a census station to be enumerated. The census required about a month to complete and employed approximately 9 million census takers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.56.58 (talk) 03:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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Can somebody explain the x-axis of the graph under "Historical population"? 216.8.145.227 (talk) 20:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Eco Generation?

Under "Historical Population" it says, "This growth slowed because of the one-child policy instituted in 1979, except Eco generation mid-late 1980 to early 1990s." Does anyone know what the Eco generation is? NuqneH10 (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)NuqneH10

2020 births and deaths

This link has been added for 2020 births and deaths: http://www.stats.gov.cn/english/PressRelease/202101/t20210118_1812432.html

And it is usually the release that includes births and deaths information.

However, for some reason the demographic information is not contained in that release.

Do any editors know where a release is available that contains this updated demographic information? Mikemikem (talk) 02:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

In the table of births and deaths, the 2020 population is said to have grown with around 11,7 million (compared to 2019) and the number of births 12,0 million.

These numbers align with the information given in this scmp article: https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3132980/china-population-latest-census-confirms-increase-1412-billion

However that would mean the number of deaths is as low as 0,3 million? Roughly 33 times lower than previous years. Death numbers this low seems unlikely especially during a pandemic. AndreasK01 (talk) 18:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Official Chinese numbers are a best crap and usually smelly stinking crap. China is currently massaging another set of disastrous population numbers. Per one source, before the massage their latest census actually showed a population drop. The ratio that the world uses of births per woman, to forecast future population trends, does not apply to China as it has a HUGE male to female gap from aborting female babies in favor of males. Considering that many Chinese women have been sterilized after giving birth, still fertile women may need to have over 5 babies to keep the population somewhat stable. Current births in China are "reported" to be around 11 million per year indicating that the population will drop to well below 1 billion in future decades. Factor in the HUGE male per female gap and it is likely the population could drop below 500 million. That's in about 70-80 years.108.49.125.120 (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Example of fake chinese numbers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NRmw84nVc

starting at 6:52 the commentator points out that in 2000 China reported 18 million births but 15 years later the number of 15 year olds was reported at only 13 million. Either China lied or 5 million of those 18 million born in 2000 died before they turned 15. China could have lied about the number of births or the number of deaths or both.108.49.125.120 (talk) 22:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Map Errors

I was scrolling through this page, looked at a couple of the maps then noticed a glaring error - this is a page on China\PRC demographics, but the maps show both PRC and RoC\Taiwan territory. What gives? Why is territory that the PRC has never governed, and is not discussed in the text of the article, included in these maps??? 人族 (talk) 05:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Good chance that at least a few of the people making changes to Chinese related articles are 50 cent army!

Possible Problem with statistics in the article

per this source starting around the 5:35 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NRmw84nVc

In 2018 there are 280 males per 100 females in the 15-29 age group.

bad data from China

https://www.ft.com/content/008ea78a-8bc1-4954-b283-700608d3dc6c

The above article has a quote from a high ranking Chinese officia

“It is almost a fact that China has overestimated its birth rate,” the People’s Bank of China said. “The challenges brought about by China’s demographic shift could be bigger [than expected]

A Beijing-based government adviser who declined to be identified said such overestimates stemmed in part from the fiscal system’s use of population figures to determine budgets, including for education and public security.

“There is an incentive for local governments to play up their [population] numbers so they can get more resources,” the person said.

No offense to the editors but the article should have a dislclaimer that Chinese data can't be checked and has most likely been altered for polical purposes.108.49.125.120 (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

more bad data from China

China's reported births and deaths for 2020 are both in the 10-11 billion range indicating a flat population, yet China reports a net gain of 5 million people for the year.

https://knoema.com/atlas/China/Population

The above source currewntly has 1,397,715,000 at the end of 2019 increasing to 1,402,667,000 at the end of 2020

That is simply not believable! China in not a country that allows mass immigration and most likely has a net outflow of people.108.49.125.120 (talk) 23:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

China throughout history has a rate of fast population growth TaipingRebellion1850 (talk) 05:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

China`s baby bust continues

Only 10.6 million births occured in China in 2021, another massive drop from the previously reported 12 million births for the year 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/birth-rate-mainland-china-2021-drops-record-low-2022-01-17/

80.131.48.40 (talk) 03:54, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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