Talk:Demographics of El Salvador

Mestizo vs White

As mentioned, there is no reliable source either official nor unofficial which divides Salvadorans between two distinct white and mestizo ethnic groups nor gives figures for either. Beyond the entire notion being creepy and racist, it is simply unsourceable. If you want a section on the overall genetic make-up of Salvadorans, I have no issue with that. Otherwise creating false racial internal boundary is simply not possible. --Huasteca (talk) 15:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Huasteca it is obvious that you are targeting Salvadoran pages in specific and not the other Latin American pages with your racial beliefs. The Census in El Salvador has in fact allowed it's citizens to identify themselves with different ethnic groups of El Salvador. It is also obvious that you are bent in erasing African contributions in El Salvador. El Salvador, Mestizos and Whites are not combined as the same people. Mestizo Salvadorans have indigenous ancestry while white Salvadorans do not. Rather than erasing all of the information, you should instead look for better sources Cobaltous (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Pardo Salvadorans

Pardo Salvadorans do not exist. The term is not used in El Salvador nor is there a sizeable Afro-descended population in the country (i.e. above 1%). There may be individuals who have African roots, as there are in every country in the world, from Japan to Ireland, but they do not represent a section of the Salvadoran population. Sources do not support "Pardos" are an ethnicity or section of the Salvadoran population. I will wait for 24 hours until the editor proponent of this provides a valid source or argument countering this fact before deleting the section.Huasteca (talk) 17:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

These were given from reliable sources but you dismissed them because it did not fit your narrative. No one has ever stated that El Salvador has a "large and pure" African heritage. It is stated that African were in fact brought to El Salvador during and after the colonization and have contributed in the ethnic composition of El Salvador. Yet you deny this and see African heritage in El Salvador as harmful and worth denying. People with African heritage are present in El Salvador and the term Pardo which means tri-racial was used to identify people of tri-racial background African, Indigenous and European. That fact that your pushing to deny this does say a lot. In fact the Ministry of Culture of El Salvador did a complete informative documentary called (Piezas de Indias) about African history in El Salvador where this is confirmed by investigators and historians.

Cobaltous (talk) 19:17, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

This is original research and based on your own world view. There is no ethnic groups called "Pardo" in El Salvador and whether individuals exist with substantial Sub-Saharan African ancestry is debatable and unlikely. This is neither bad nor good. I have nothing against afro-descended communities where they are present - countries such as Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica do have them. Just not El Salvador. Claiming otherwise is simply silly and I believe based on ideology more than anything else. If you can point to one known Salvadoran who looks African or identifies as "Pardo" then I will let it go. --Huasteca (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I changed the title to Afro-Salvadorans and added additional sources. It has never been stated that Salvadorans identify as "Pardo". It is stated that the word Pardo WAS used in colonial El Salvador to describe people with tri-racial heritage. So your accusations are erroneous. You are asking me to point to ONE known Salvadoran who looks African? Like i said, watch the documentary "Piezas de indias Africanos en El Salvador", and you will see many. You are telling me to point to Salvadorans who identifies as Pardo? I have never stated that Afro-Salvadorans identify as Pardo. Like i said above, it is stated that the word Pardo WAS used to describe people of tri-racial heritage in colonial El Salvador not today. Cobaltous (talk) 03:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

As mentioned in Salvadorans, there is no consensus definition of who is and isn't white. There is no sizeable or identifiable Afro-Salvadorese population. Huasteca (talk) 17:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

As long as Mexico and the other Latin American pages have Mestizos and Whites as separate ethnic groups, the Salvadoran demographics pages will too. Sources for Afro-Salvadorans were presented, so the section will remain Cobaltous (talk) 19:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring from a bias nationalist user

Huasteca, a Mexican-based user and nationalist who mainly and frequently targets El Salvador's ethnic composition and edit these pages according to his own personal racial views, yet only apply these views in the Salvadorans pages and not the Mexican demographic pages, he neglect to answer why he makes exception to all Latin American pages except for the one's relation to El Salvador. This user makes changes in the Demographics of El Salvador as well and removes sources that don't fit his personal racial agenda despite advices to find better sources rather than going into a erasing rampage. I tried to act civil with this user but he persistently keep editing Salvadoran pages with valuable information for weeks. When confronted with reliable sources he dismiss these and begins on a edit warring rampage over and over again. When Sources are presented, he erases them out of spite. This user seems to be infatuated with race in El Salvador and seems to be bent on erasing African, Indigenous and European contributions in El Salvador. Cobaltous (talk) 03:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Cobaltous, you might find that the user you mention above does make the same kind of unilateral and race-associated edits, with the same combative approach on other Latin American pages. E.g edit summary: (rv: This version is just not correct and not supported by any credible source. It also includes "Germans" as whites and inexplicably excludes Jews which smells of nazism to me.), here, here, with edit summary: (White Mexicans do not exist in legal terms and the term is simply subjective. Most White Mexicans identify as Mestizo. This is easily sourceable); On Nicaragua with edit summary "(→‎Ethnic/Racial groups: Unsourced allegation)"

Also on José María Morelos and before that edit, some similar edits from an anon user 1, so closely linked it might not be coincidental, and 2) with edit summary: (removing attempt to portray him as indigenous when he was a Spaniard according to parish registar). Also, demographics. Also see talk pages, for example . I think this inactive user, who posted on Talk page above that, is the same person, too. Then there's Spanish-related, here and other slavery-related pages. There's Vicente Guerrero edits, and Afro-Spaniards, e.g., and many, many more. You may be right about El Salvador, but this User spreads the disruption around and seems "infatuated with race" in many Latin-related pages. 203.1.80.1 (talk) 06:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC) ‎

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of El Salvador"

Template:Largest cities of El Salvador has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: English 102

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