Talk:Denby Eco-Link

Ignorant foreigner question

Do they sometines refer to these rigs as "turnpike trains" or "tractor-trains"?--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Turnpike-train is likely to mean nothing in Britain nowadays (see Toll roads in England). Tractor-train might mean something to Brits who might think it a neologism of road train and tractor trailor/road tractor, but I've never seen it used yet. Its lorries or trucks (and still HGVs) in Britain, that's about it, hence the mainstream media's adoption of the unimaginative 'super lorry' or the arguably not applicable 'road train'. LHV is the official British term for all the larger configurations considered, and B-Double/Train as the term of art used elsewhere (but not for proper road trains) seems to have been adopted in the British trade press for this vehicle. MickMacNee (talk) 00:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hardly anyone calls the power unit of an articulated truck the "tractor" here - if you said the word to someone out of context they would automatically assume an agricultural tractor instead, and probably sigh in imagined exasperation at the idea of being stuck behind one pulling not one but two trailers on a country back-route. More likely it'd be a double-trailer (maybe "twin artic" in this case) or some other localised neologism. If it was limited to certain roads, then perhaps "trunk lorry" or the like (as motorways and certain major strategic non-motorway roads are classed as "trunk routes"). 193.63.174.211 (talk) 08:44, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, so... it's been six years...

...has the judgement on this been cleared up yet? I'm uncertain whose side to be on based on the information here ;)

Also, if the current legislation is no good / the voluntary limiting of them to certain roads is thought to be unlikely to last, can't steps be taken to modify it or better define where they can and can't go and put enforcement in place? EG signs on every exit to a non-motorway/non-trunk road off the intermodal routes that say "max length 18m" or "no double trailers", etc (or perhaps more cost effectively, putting an amendment through that they can only drive onto non-Mway / non-primary-A roads where the entry is marked with a small "double trailer" or "18m+" sign, unless they need to do so on a one-off basis for special access or recovery duties). Such systems seem to work fine in the USA and Australia for a start...

(Trunk/Primary A rather than all A-roads, as there are some tighter but heavily used A-routes around Birmingham where a double-trailer driver who mistimed his entry to a mini roundabout system or complex set of lights could end up gridlocking two closely spaced junctions at the same time... Trunks tend to not have such risks.)

Oh, and a further clarification that would be needed - last I saw any mention of the subject, it turned out double trailers / recovery vehicles pulling artics / etc aren't subject to the normal speed limits, but, like abnormal loads/STGOs are bound by their own particular set of lower limits - 40mph on motorways, and 20mph everywhere else, including non-motorway dual carriageways. Would Denby's setup therefore have to tramp along at single-carriageway speeds on the motorway, and at inner-city speeds on rural trunk routes (including the A1-non-M, A5, A14, A38, A42, A46...), generally getting in the way, impacting safety and narking everyone off bigtime? The advantage of hauling 50% to twice as much cargo on a single rig is somewhat moot when it's going at little more than 2/3rds the usual speed on the motorway, and half speed or less elsewhere... and having to use lower gears, too, in order to keep the very limited-rev-range (but presumably more powerful than normal) engine from stalling out, which will raise fuel consumption markedly. 193.63.174.211 (talk) 08:45, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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