Talk:Deportation

Geir, nice edits. Dietwald 08:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

procedures

how are immigration procedures executed usually? i have heard cases where people are asked to leave voluntarily? is that true or do they just go straight to the deportation procedure? also, before the person is actually deported, is a special stamp put on the persons passport to indicate he had been deported so that if he tried to re-enter, it would be known straight away?

Terrible article

Why does this article ignore the inventor of the deportation, the Assyrians, who deported some half a million people in their ancient history? Tourskin 18:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Why does it not mentions deportations in Nazi Germany? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.105.127 (talk) 19:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

• It's not a terrible article. If you can find sources which refere to the Assyrian deportations in ancient history, by all means add that to the article and reference it. I've never heard Nazi Germany's genocide merely called "deportation"; extermination, yes, but not mere deportation. However, if deportation is part of larger plans for genocide, I suppose, so if you can find a reference which mentions deportation in the context of Nazi Germany's genocide, by all means add that discussion and reference it. - Tim1965 (talk) 12:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Why does this atricle also ingnore the deportation of slaves from Africa to the heaven-like Europe and US as well as the indigenous people of America? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.46.209.10 (talk) 07:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Deporting a stateless person?

If a person goes to a country illegally, then renounces their citizenship, where can they be deported to? Do they get put in some sort of immigration prison? --92.104.122.167 (talk) 18:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• There are many cases were stateless persons have been deported. It does not need to involve renunciation of citizenship, either. For example, a country can kill the immigrants. (Refugees from Darfur have cross the border into other nations, and have been victims of gang, paramilitary and military murder, for example.) Some countries intercept the stateless individuals, and prevent their entry. (For example, ships of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany were routinely denied entry by many nations.) Some states accept the stateless as refugees, but for political reasons may drive them out of the country. (For example, Palestinian refugees are often considered stateless. Nations such as Lebanon, Jordan and Syria have deported thousands of Palestinians to surrounding Arab nations at various times, often out of fear that radical Palestinian elements might destabilize the host country political regime.) Personal renunciation of citizenship may not matter to the host country, either. (For example, many Hispanic immigrants to the U.S. renounce their home country citizenship when they illegally enter the U.S., but the U.S. government simply ships them back home.) Imprisonment can be one option. Literally pushing the people across the border is another. Murder is another. Terror is another ("encourage" them to flee through terror). Denial of entry is another. Forced labor is not unheard of. The imagination, law, policies and morals of the host nation provide an infinite number of variations. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Roswell Millworkers

The Information about the Millworkers deported from Georgia during the Civil War is Incorrect. They were NOT deported by the state of Georgia for Northern sympathies. They were, in fact, deported under orders of Gen William T. Sherman for production of war materials for the Confederate States. This was in addition to to some 60 or so mill workers from the New Manchester Mfg Co. at Sweetwater Creek in what is now Douglas County, Ga. This was after the Mills at Roswell and New Manchester were burned. The deportees were sent to Marietta, GA by wagon or foot, and were then sent to Louisville, KY where they were given the option of remaining in Civilian POW camp or of taking the Oath of Allegiance to the Union, and then allowed to Cross the Ohio River to work in the mills in Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois.

(North Across The River by Ruth Beaumont Cook, Crane Hill Publishing, Oct 2000, ISBN 978-1575871660) (Dan Emsweller, Chief Historian, Sweetwater Creek State Park)GaSharpshooter (talk) 12:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Депортация

Депортация is russian for Deportation, so I addded [[ru:Депортация]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockfan.by (talk • contribs) 13:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Population transfer

Why to keep two articles? Is there any difference?Xx236 (talk) 13:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• Because deportation is a more limited form of population transfer. Notice that the Population Transfer applies to populations, while deportation usually does not. Population Transfer also may be the exchange of groups (in both directions), while deportation is not. Deportation is often a formal legal process, while Population Transfer may not. The two terms have very different meanings in domestic and international law. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure that the both articles explain the difference?Xx236 (talk) 09:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• They would need to only if there was confusion as to which is which, and/or if one was a subcategory of the other. If you feel such an explanation needs to be added, by all means add it to both articles. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Categories should be connected to the articles. Now some deportations are in Category:Forced migration.Xx236 (talk) 09:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• You should raise this issue with the Category Sorting folks. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:16, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

German picture

You can find the same picture in many articles about expulsion of Germans after WWII. Why here? Xx236 (talk) 13:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not sure why there is an issue. The deportation of Germans from the Sudentenland after World War II is appropriate to this article. That picture depicts that deportation. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The issue is that selecting one picture is a POV. Xx236 (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• No, it is not. First, there are several pictures on that page which illustrate deportaions. Second, copyright issues may mean there are only a very, very small number of images which can be legally placed on the page. Third, there is nothing inthe article or image caption to indicate a moral stand on the issue of deportation of Germans from the Sudentenland. Some deportatiions are considered morally right (for example, murderers are deported from a country where they committee murder), some are not (deportation of Jews from various countries during occupation by the German Third Reich). This article takes no stand on such issues. If you wish to allege POV, please be very specific about it and make clear, rational arguments as to why NPOV has been violated. Fourth, the number of images on the page is limited by the article size (which currently is only Start-class). While a larger number of images would be very welcome (especially images linked to the deportations mentioned in the article), that is aesthetically inappropriate given the article size and would give undue weight to the issues raised by the images. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

There are two pictures on this page. There exists an ideology of German expulsion, supported by quite powerful German state. The expulsion of Germans shouldn't be an icon of the expulsions, because such stereotype is German POV.Xx236 (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

See also

Why this deportations?Xx236 (talk) 13:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• Why not? If you have a specific problem with any individual deportation being included in the "See Also" section, you should raise those issues here on the Talk page. It may be that one or more do not belong there. If you think additional deportations exist which should be included, you should list them here and provide a justification for each one. After discussion, they may be included. In fact, if the list of deportations becomes lengthy, the section might no longer be called "See Also" but rather be turned into its own article ("List of Deportations"). - Tim1965 (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The current list contains accidentally selected deportations. There is no logic in it.Xx236 (talk) 09:09, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• Provide some logic as to which deportations should be included, please. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Not Sure How to do it.....

But the information on the Roswell Georgia Mill workers Bold textneeds to be edited it is horribly horribly inaccurate. These workers (not just women, but also families and men, and not just from Roswell but from the New Manchester MFG. Co Mill located by Sweetwater Creek in what is now Lithia Springs, Douglas Co, GA) were deported from Georgia under the order of William T. Sherman, because they were, as he deemed it, "as dangerous as any soldier at the front" because their work supported the Confederate War Effort. Once they were behind Federal lines at Louisville, KY they were allowed the option of taking a loyalty oath, and being allowed to cross the Ohio River into Indiana and find work in the cotton mills in the North, or to remain in a civilian POW Camp untill the war was over. I have posted this same material earlier... —Preceding unsigned comment added by GaSharpshooter (talk • contribs) 17:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

• Go ahead and edit it. If you have the cites, make the changes. - Tim1965 (talk) 03:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Internal deportation

The first example given in the first paragraph of the section "Internal deportation" is not a good one because if they were deported across the Mason-Dixon Line then to call it internal deportation is a POV. It would be better to use another example. For example Stalin's deportation of the Volga Germans, or any of the other ethic groups who were treated in a similar manner. -- PBS (talk) 23:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Related move discussion

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Deportee (Plane Wreck at Los Gatos) which affects Deportee. -- 70.24.245.16 (talk) 10:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Who pays for deportation?

If someone, say, arrives at an international airport or boat terminal and it turns out they don't have proper papers, who pays for their return plane or boat trip? Does the government buy a ticket, or is the person being deported forced to buy a ticket? Does this vary by country? -- Beland (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Why were USSR deportations during WWII removed?

This text removed from the section during WWII (with a subsection Soviet Union) and I would like to know why?

During the June deportation of 1941, after the occupation of the Baltic countries, Eastern Poland and Moldavia, as was agreed by the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, in an attempt to subdue the countries for their forced incorporation into the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union deported tens-of-thousands of innocent people to Siberia. The men were separated from the women and upon their arrival many were executed. For the women and children, due to the harsh conditions and lack of food, Estonia estimates the mortality rate to be around 60%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O.gruzins (talk • contribs) 06:24, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

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Considerable omissions

Some definitional distinction needs to be made, so as to make clear why other instances of Forced displacement of people are not included: e.g., in the 20th century:

• Greeks forced from Turkey
• Turks forced from Greece
• Germans forced from Poland and Czechoslovakia
• Jews forced from various Arabic lands in the 1950s

in the 21st century:

• Rohingya people forced from Myanmar Dogru144 (talk) 02:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)