Talk:Der Giftpilz

Estonian KarS §151

Estonian authorities have investigated Lauck's activities in promoting this book's Estonian language translation under §151 of Estonian penal code, which criminalises incitement to social hatred. Petri Krohn linked "incitement to social hatred" to hate speech, and so did Ghirlandajo. This is a severe distortion of the issues at hand.

Incitement to social hatred is a form of incitement to crime, with social context being made more explicit and particular crime-executors irrelevant than in the old-fashioned crime of incitement. Hate speech, a concept mainly from modern Anglophone political landscape, is instead, an expression of hatred, and the legal issues implicit deal largely with limiting such expressions. Both the concepts and their legal scopes are quite different.

For example of a border case, let's consider a politician's statement that he hates gays. Under most concepts of hate speech, this would qualify. Under any incitement standard, it would not qualify. In order to qualify as incitement to hatred, the politician would need to explicitly state, or very clearly imply, that he intends his listeners or readers to also pick up that hatred, and act upon this. Digwuren 11:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Primary source used

We need a RS for the claims about what the book says, not the hateful propaganda book itself! As of now the book is used directly as a ref, see this: https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/story5.htm link.

I also wonder if http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/idealoccupa.html or similar has a place in this article. Zezen (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Not all toadstools are poisonous

See Mushroom --causa sui (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)