Talk:Deutsches Jungvolk

Girls ?

This article says it was for boys only, while the Hitler Youth article says this org is for boys and girls. Which is it ? StuRat 12:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The whole article is suspect, the translation would be better as "German Young People" or "German Youth People" as well. user:Pzg Ratzinger

Hitlerjugend or Hitler Youth has two distinct meanings; one was as an umbrella organisation for all the sections of the Nazi youth movement and the other was a section of the first for boys aged 14 to 18. The Deutsches Jungvolk had the full title; Deutsches Jungvolk in der Hitler Jugend and was for boys only. Girls aged 10 to 18 had the Bund Deutscher Mädel or League of German Girls. Alansplodge (talk) 19:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Pimpf

It was this organization that was referred to as "Pimpf"? Drutt (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The boys were referred to as "Pimpfs" apparently[1]. Not sure if this was an official title.Drutt (talk) 09:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

See the "Organization" section. Recruits were called Pimpfen, but left the title behind as they rose through the ranks. The DJ magazine was called Der Pimpf. Alansplodge (talk) 10:15, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

"Hitler Jugend at rifle practice, 1933" image

I'm not sure how this is relevant to this article. The boys are wearing HJ armbands and are therefore older than Deutsches Jungvolk members. A referenced statememt in the "Training and activities" section says that the DJ didn't start shooting training until 1940, and then with smallbore rifle rather than the military weapons shown here. I intend transfer it to the Hitler Youth article unless anybody objects. Alansplodge (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Now moved to Hitler Youth article. Alansplodge (talk) 20:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Boy Scouts

I've added a see-also to Boy Scouts -- this is not a smear aimed at the Scouts, but you can see that the Deutsches Jungvolk was closely modeled on the general format of the Boy Scouts (scarves and woggles in particular show this -- compare to the uniforms of the HJ, which were modeled on that of the military instead). I believe the Nazis outlawed the Boy Scouts at the same time as they made this compulsory, and appropriated a lot of the imagery and structure of Scouting, but in a Nazified form. -- The Anome (talk)

User:The Anome, the various German Scouting associations were banned between 1933 and 1934 by the Nazis. [2] Associating Scouting to the Nazis in any way certainly is a VERY sensitive subject and I think that you need to provide a reliable reference to support your statement that "the Deutsches Jungvolk was closely modeled on the general format of the Boy Scouts" together with a note in the article explaining why you have linked the two. Alansplodge (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree, Boy Scouts was a bad see-also, and I'm glad it's been taken out. However, the modelling of the DJ uniform on the Scout uniform is absolutely clear (shorts and neckscarves with woggles --who else has those?), as was the banning of the Scouting movement by the Nazis when the HJ was set up; the Nazis clearly intended the DJ as a replacement for Scouting, and they weren't subtle about it. Whether WP:RS can be found for this, though, is a different matter. This is the nearest I can find at the moment, and I don't think it makes the cut, as it's an op-ed. I'll have to do some more searching. -- The Anome (talk) 20:11, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps a short referenced sentence in the "Uniform and emblems" section would do the trick. I have to declare an interest in that I'm and active Scout Leader, and a surprising number of people see fit to suggest that there IS some sort of connection between Scouting today and the Hitler Youth - it's not an idea that I want to encourage. Alansplodge (talk) 20:51, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Argh. Perhaps the section about this could be written in such a way as to let us make very clear in the process that the Nazis disliked the Scouts so much that they banned them and created their own ersatz pseudo-Scout organization to replace them? I now have a section from

Kitchen, Martin (2008). The Third Reich: Charisma and Community. Routledge. ISBN 1405801697.

that directly states that the HJ/DJ were modeled on the Scouts: you can search online for the words "The Hitler Youth took the Boy Scouts and the various youth groups of the Weimar Republic as a model. They wore a similar uniform, went to camp, sang songs ..." to confirm this online. -- The Anome (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Good work User:The Anome, do you want to put it in or shall I? Alansplodge (talk) 17:21, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

I'd be delighted if you were to do it. Thank you. -- The Anome (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Job done! (see "Development" section). Thanks for your input. Alansplodge (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

removal of images

Bogan ProjectHorizons, don't kid yourself, "looks ugly" is not in Wikipedia policy on image removal.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

• Yeah, my sincere apologies to you. It was rude of me to say that. No excuses, it was wrong. Won't happen again. As for the image, Alansplodge's edit satisfied me on the issue. ProjectHorizons (talk) 07:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

All's well that ends well. Alansplodge (talk) 09:44, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Full phonetic name

The full phonetic name should be something like "ˈdɔʏtʃəs ˈjʊŋfɔlk ɪn de:ɐ̯ ˈhɪtlɐˌjuːɡn̩t" or possibly "dɔʏ̯tʃəs jʊŋfɔlk ɪn de:ɐ̯ hɪtlɐ ju:gənt". Can someone confirm which is correct, or if neither, what is the correct version? -- The Anome (talk) 09:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

DJV

Was the abbrevation DJV really in use? German article only mentions DJ. 2A02:908:1461:D160:5D2F:7041:BC3:63CB (talk) 14:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)