Talk:Devendra Banhart

Vashti Bunyan

Bob Stanley of Saint Etienne was raving about Vashti Bunyan when Devendra was in diapers so that should be re-rediscovered.

Image status

This image appears to be copyrighted, per the caption: © Laurent Orseau . It needs to be attributed on the image description page. I found a link to where it comes from that the uploader must have found: http://lorseau.hinah.com/gallery.php?c=pzic&s=concert&g=devendrabanhartgp&p=1&im=10 --149.169.60.160 04:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

from Laurent Orseau: the uploader is me, the photographer. so i allow wikipedia to use this image

Lyrics

The article says "his lyrics are often surreal and naturalistic." Perhaps one or two illustrations would be in order, especially since many people will find surrealism and naturalism to be odd companions. Also, might this not be an overly broad use of "surrealism"? Perhaps it would be better simply to say his lyrics are "obscure," "metaphorical" or "enigmatic"? I just read the lyrics for some randomly selected songs. In "Be Kind," "Gentle Soul," "Inaniel," "korean Dogwood," "Ones," "Miss Cain," "Queen Bee" I saw nothing that was surreal. "Legless Love" and "Surgery I Stole" do have lyrics that might be considered surreal.Interlingua 13:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

"Hose down the dead before they die, before they die Hose down the dead before they die, before they die Who do you hear a dying fire a dying fire Oh can you feel a golden soul one golden soul

Now I put the ovaries in my bath And all the dogs will die and The devil will call the cats home And he looks up to the sky

I put the ovaries in my mouth And all the dogs will die The devil will call the cats home And he looks up to the sky

Hose down the dead before they die, before they die" - Those aren't surreal?

The term surreal is not a derivative or surrealism, but rather vice versa. The term surreal is much more fitting than obscure, for example, which is a bit more vague and general than surreal. Surreal, when describing lyrics, gives the implication of obscurity with a sort of mentally destabilizing motive behind it. For instance, if i were to claim that there were eyes in the back of my hands to better see the oranges growing from my face, that would be surreal. Not simply obscure, and definitely not metaphorical. Now, whether it's unncecessary or trite or whatever, is all up to the individual to presume.69.149.82.95 02:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)blueddha

I think the nature of the lyrics on Cripple Crow should be in this discussion. In a few songs, namely "Little Boy," there are some pedophilic and homosexual themes. Maybe I'm reading them wrong, but that's how they came across to me. Is there any mention of this anywhere? -- Mellesime 05:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it has been discussed... http://www.stereogum.com/archives/devendra-banhart-not-a-pedophile.html Interesting. -- Mellesime 05:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The Bridge

He performed at the bridge concert at the shoreline ampitheater in mountain view on sat oct 21, 2006 with a band. The emcee noted that an hour before the concert they didn't have a name, so the emcee recommended "The Bridge" and introduced them as such.

A Cite For Musical Comparisons

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/15292/Devendra_Banhart_Oh_Me_Oh_My_

Worship!

Devendra just said in an interview with a Norwegian newspaper that he worships the Norwegian statue The Little Angry Boy(known in Norwegian as Sinnataggen), and that he spent at least 2 hours a day with a model of it he had in a room in his home. Here's the interview http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=174672 (in Norwegian, but it's "evidence" that's it is true... I'm gonna translate it into english if I get the time. Gumdropster 22:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Was Devendra joking? Why does this statue have any significance in his life? —Christopher Mann McKay^talk 22:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

He used the words:"I'm a novice in the study of the cult you have around the statue you have here in Oslo." On the question of why he said:"Sinnataggen opens a clear understanding of what it means to be surrounded by flesh and bones, and the macro cosmic. Sinnataggen is our entrance to the microcosmic which is the spirit. The room(where they keep the model of the sculpture) is our sinnataggogue, like a synagogue." He MAY have been joking, but it seems to be VERY him... Plus the newspaper is Norway's biggest newspaper, so they wouldn't need to make up information and interviews. Gumdropster 16:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Too much about band names and a need for more background info

This seems like an inordinately long section about the band name. Is this really necessary? It would be much more useful to have more personal history about Devendra instead.

Dino213aa (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Tropicália!

The Tropicália from Brazil is a great influence in Devendra music. It need a better research about this.

Devendra Banhart —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.107.236 (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Linked to Natalie Portman?

According to Natalie Portman's Wiki article he is romantically linked to Portman. This should be added in this article if it can be confirmed. Fatrb38 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Nothing's really been proved and I don't think it's relevant now anyway. Besides, should Wikipedia really be detailing every little part of people's private lives, just because the gutter press do? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Yellow Bird Project

This is a notable reference which has been marked on this wiki page for years. His artistic contributions and his charity involvement are significant benchmarks, which have been cited in notable publications such as:

UNCUT - http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/devendra_banhart/news/9339

NME - http://www.nme.com/news/clap-your-hands-say-yeah/26153

Pitchforkmedia - http://pitchfork.com/news/34199-bss-the-national-bon-iver-share-charity-t-shirts/

There are no acceptable grounds for deletion here, so whomever keeps arbitrarily doing so please refrain from removing it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo338 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

How about WP:TRIVIA and WP:LINKSPAM? A T-Shirt is not significant, and that something was on a page for a long time does not change the official guidelines. Hekerui (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Both good points Hekerui. There is no need for a trivia section, and both links should remain internal - which they are. However, it's not just a t-shirt - it's an artistic contribution, which reflects his charity involvement. A musician’s charitable and artistic contributions are surely more notable than other miscellaneous facts which are listed on this page. Therefore, since this is a cited and notable reference which conforms to wikipedia guidelines, it should still be included as part of this entry. Perhaps you would like to alter the wording? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo338 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Yellow Bird Project was found to be non-notable. Constantly readded external links that promote a product are considered WP:SPAM. Hekerui (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Echo338 was banned as a sockpuppet. Hekerui (talk) 13:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I also agree that this info should remain removed. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 01:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources etc.

• I removed the unofficial forum because it does not comply with Wikipedia:External links.
• I changed several things in the discography: Surfing was moved because it is not a solo album, Nila, Nila or why the kids dont stand a chance was removed because it is not sourced and I can't find anything reliable on the web, Jana Hunter / Devendra Banhart had a redundant mention of it removed and I generally used albums existing on a reliable source, such as Allmusic.com Hekerui (talk) 10:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think problems like this will persist because Devendra doesn't lend himself well to quality coverage at all. Interviews comprising of kooky stories may be amusing, but they are of little encyclopaedic value. Similarly, even serious articles tend to spend half the time talking about "how weird he his", while quoting from said interviews. I really want to make this article decent but there's no chance at the moment due to these sourcing problems. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 18:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the article is now better than before and at least somewhat "decent". If you find more reliable sources with bio facts, please add them. Hekerui (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry. I didn't mean that as a slight on the article. It's much better now than it was in the past. However, I'm sure you'll agree that this wouldn't pass a good article review as it stands. I'll keep my eye out for more bio sources. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 21:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Definitely not GA :) I'm thinking about going through his album reviews to find more info, but articles about a musician himself are much better, you're right. Hekerui (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Appearances

I removed some mentions of "Banhart appeared on album X by artist Y". I don't think this is important enough to include, unless he substantially contributed to the album as in a collaboration album or by choosing all the tracks - these cases are still there. Hekerui (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Minor style changes

I'm cleaning up minor style problems, which are inevitable as editors randomly add new material. The point is, "dropped in" material often interferes with the flow, mainly because of the use of verbs but also structure. Small changes can usually resolve the "stop-start" effect. The lead paragraph also has this problem, and I'm about to recitfy that. Just wanted to let others know. Allreet (talk) 14:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

"Eventually" is vague, a first album is a debut album, and "while" shouldn't be used as an additive link and only be used when emphasising that two events occur at the same time - and he doesn't record two albums at a time. These points are the whole edit, so I will revert it. Regards Hekerui (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Context

This edit added unsourced trivia content, dropped into the text without context and also modified previously existent content in a way that is not found in the sources. I reverted to an earlier version. Hekerui (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Edits/Additions to Devendra's Page

Hello everyone. Hope you are all well. I am trying to help edit some misinformation and add new facts about Devendra. I know many of you take great care of this page and my only aim is to add more information and remove some false info that is up there. I realize I have attempted to remove an item that is sorted but that information contains a comment that was misquoted. This caused some concern and I now understand why after having learned about the Wikipedia process in greater detail. I am here to work with everyone and will discuss things in this section as much as needed. I appreciate that I have no more ownership of this page than anybody else but I am in a position to help add new accurate facts in the framework of working with you all. All the best and thanks. Lktmgmt (talk) 23:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

My first request is that you all please allow me to delete the quote from Rolling Stone in which Devendra said his music was called naturalismo. This was said in jest and in no way does he consider his music to be termed that. I can assure you that it would mean alot for you to please allow me to remove that quote and make some edits without someone putting that back up. I will wait again until tomorrow to remove it. Thank youLktmgmt (talk) 23:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

As has been pointed out you on your talk page, please do not remove this quote without a reliable source that he was misquoted. --Stephen 23:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello everyone. In an upcoming interview Devendra has given this quote will be retracted. I will provide such a citation on this talk page when the article is published. In the meantime, please leave that statement off of this page. I understand the "take my word for it" argument and the "it means alot to us" argument are not the most convincing when it comes to wikipedia and a source is need but please leave this quote off in the meantime until I can provide such a source. It is a great source of trouble for me and your consideration would be greatly appreciated. I have nothing but respect for the guidelines of wikipedia and understand what I am asking runs counter to many of those but please grant me this request. Thank you for your understanding.Lktmgmt (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no consensus for removal. Until the reliable source is produced the content can stay on, it's from Rolling Stone, which is considered WP:RS. Personal unease is not considered a valid reason for blanking information. Hekerui (talk) 17:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello everyone, here is a link to a site containing an interview Devendra did refuting that he ever referred to his music as "naturalismo". You can scroll down to the "Devendra Banhart plans tour" article to see. I have removed the sentence referring to the article that contains the error. Lktmgmt (talk) 04:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC) http://www.jerseybeat.com/ "But Banhart declares, "I've never described my music as 'Naturalismo,' 'Freak folk,' or 'Psych folk."

Recent edits by Warner Music Group

Concerning the edits from the IPs of Warner Music Group:

• I improved the citation style for the added content.
• Amazon.com is not a reliable source, and writing forewords for non-notable works by two of his friends is not "literature" imo
• There is no consensus to add the Yellow Bird Project - the article was deleted for not being notable and accounts routinely spammed article pages in order to link to it. According to the second source, which is just some blog as far as I can see, he and others made songs available for some charity CD. That's just promo inserted by his record company.
• His remix of an Oasis song is a free song, it obviously didn't chart and has only trivial coverage, and that doesn't warrant inclusion.
• That Banhart released the album with Moretti is not in the source.

Hekerui (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hekuri, while I or Warners do not run this page, you do not either. I believe you have revealed yourself in the comments above to be exercising an unusual and harmful amount of control over this page. I understand that content must be sourced, but you have arbitrarily eliminated sourced facts such as the Oasis remix. Please put the sourced Oasis remix backup there immediately. Oasis are one of the biggest rock bands in the world, a fact you unfortunately showed you do not know, and Devendra remixing one of their songs is very noteworthy and informative. Plenty of other things Devendra has done have not charted but are of interest to people looking at this site. I am sorry but you do not appear to know enough about music and are single handedly depriving fans and people curious to learn more about Devendra an opportunity to do so which I believe flies in the face of the very purpose of Wikipedia. There was no consensus to remove it or the other things you eliminated. You did it single-handedly as if you control this page. I have asked you time and time again in a nice manner to work with us and the many fans of Devendra, you have consistently chosen not to. I urge you to please put it back up now and leave it up. There will be other facts going up as well that should be left up unless there is a consensus, not taken off because you arbitrarily deciding to remove them. I have reported your actions to someone at Wikipedia as well since you have regrettably chosen not to work together. I still am open to. Lktmgmt (talk) 22:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Let me start by saying I have never heard of Devendra Banhart before and have no axe to grind. I have looked at a number of Hekerui's edits and at this talk page. In short, the impression I take away is that Hekerui is acting well within (my perception of) the norms of wikipedia. Respectfully, Lktmgmt, I do not see evidence that you have extended good faith to Hekerui's actions; nor do I see any evidence proffered to support your assertion of "unusual and harmful amount of control over this page". In the post above, Hekerui has helpfully set out a list of changes that may be of issue. I suggest that you continue to discuss issues here methodically. Be aware that argument that an assertion is not verified by a source is normally sufficient reason to remove the assertion - see WP:V. Be aware, also, that wikipedia is not a collection of trivia; by way of example, that DB has remixed an Oasis song is not of itself notable, unless you can provide reliable sources stating that it is, for some reason, notable. I note some special pleading, above, in the matter of "naturalismo". If there is a reliable source saying that DB described his work as naturalismo, then it is well arguable that that fact should stay in the article - but also that the refutation of this which you appear to have arranged should stand alongside it. Really, you are a very long way away from demonstrating that there is a problem with Hekerui's edits, and the wiser course of action will be to hash it out on this page - exactly the good advice you'll find at the indispensable WP:COI page. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I have tried repeatedly to work within the guidelines and with Hekuri. I appreciate all of Hekuri's efforts on this page as he has shown he cares but feel he has crossed the line here of acceptability. A very notable, sourced, fact about Devendra remixing an Oasis song was single-handedly and arbitrarily removed by Hekuri without a consensus for no good reason. I feel he has crossed the line by removing other content as well that has to do with Devendra's art and designing of shirts for charitable projects all because he and he alone did not deem it for for this page while others did. I have attempted many times to work with him but he has consistently ignored my efforts and his actions appear as if he thinks he controls this page. I have been up front that I realize I am not impartial here but my aim is to simply get more noteworthy and cited facts up on this page. Hekuri continues to disregard this and his latest comments towards the Warners additions were unfair and combatitive in their tone. Any music fan with knowledge of music will tell you that Devendra Banhart remixing an Oasis song is a fact that should be up and he crossed the line by removing it without consensus. Hekuri, I am still willing to work with you on this page but only if you act reasonably. I will be making many more edits in the near future and think together we can come up with the best page possible but I question statements like this: "His remix of an Oasis song is a free song, it obviously didn't chart and has only trivial coverage, and that doesn't warrant inclusion." These comments are in my opinion not reasonable. If something is not cited properly or non-music related in a trivial way, I get it. Thanks again for your comments Tagishsimon. Lktmgmt (talk) 00:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No. Go and read Wikipedia:Verifiability, a wikipedia policy. It states that the burden of proof is on you, the person adding the fact, to provide reliable sources to verify it. As far as I can see no such RS has been supplied. If Noel did indeed request the remix and if the remix was indeed offered from an official Oasis site and in a non-trivial way, and if there's a reliable source for all of this, then the fact should stay. If there is no RS, then the assertion has no weight to it and can and should be removed. There is nothing arbitrary about this and it has no requirement for consensus. The categorical requirement is verification via reliable sources, and that's your task not Hekerui's. His/her comments about the song in the context of the article seem /entirely reasonable/ to me. They set out his reasoning for deleting the fact. His reasoning is logical and consistent with community expectations for an encyclopedia article - not least that it is not a mere mix of all sorts of trivia, whether music or non-music related.

Far from "consistently ignored my efforts", I see a pattern of Hekerui setting out the reasons for his edits on this page and opening them for discussion - at least I presume that that is his/her purpose in setting them out on this page.

You say "I will be making many more edits in the near future". I have to respond that you have a clear conflict of interest and are in a content dispute. Under such circumstances you /really/ should consider confining your involvement to suggestion and discussion on this page. Remember, per WP:COI, that conflict of interest editing is strongly discouraged (my emphasis).

Finally you may wish to read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The fact was added. The article was sited by an NME article in the addition. One of the most reliable music magazines in the world. He took it down which I did not agree with and he acted alone. Thank you for understanding that and just trying to get him to as well. I respect the guidelines here and am just trying to work within the system and will continue to be open to discussing this with Hekuri and everyone. Thanks. Lktmgmt (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the removal that I've checked. No RS is evident. Could you point to the version or diff in which the RS was added, or, alternatively, provide a URL here? --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Here is the article: http://www.nme.com/news/nme/45236 Lktmgmt (talk) 01:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. IMO can be added to the article, as I have done here thus stepping over the disinterested bystander line into a partisan role, curses. I trust Hekuri will advise if he has concerns. If we can continue to address these things one by one and with near infinite resources of patience, I'm sure we'll get there. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Great. Thank you for understanding Tagishimon. I completely agree that discussing additions on a case by case basis on this page is a great way to do this moving forward and that is all I can ask as I know that fits within the guidelines of Wikipedia. Again, my only aim here is to get more interesting and relevant facts up about Devendra and his career. Hekuri, I believe Tagishsimon has made some great and fair points. I will post additions in the future to this discussion page and we'll go from there. Look forward to working with you all. Tagishimon, I am not great with the Wikipedia language so if I post some news with citations and there is a consensus, if you could help get them up that would be incredibly appreciated. Not saying you have to, just asking. Again, thank you.Lktmgmt (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm only on wikipedia intermittently, but I'll keep this page on my watchlist. Hope it all works out. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks.Lktmgmt (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

IP/Account use by Warner Bros.

65.244.245.5, 71.105.87.225, and Lktmgmt are all run by Warner Bros., making concerted edits and reverts without explanation. Usage of multiple accounts/IP addresses to influence a page is sockpuppetry.

As for the issue: calling him a visual artist is unsourced. Having some drawings in a museum because you're famous is different from being a visual artist. To establish this, a reliable citation needs to be added. No such source was added and the content added about a "two man show" is not in the source. Adding unsourced content is original research. I revert to the earlier version. Hekerui (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Additions to the Page

Hey Everyone. Here are some additions we propose to this page. Again, all I seek is that more noteworthy facts get out about Devendra and help make this an accurate as well sourced and informed page as possible. If anyone who is not familiar with music has any questions about the significance of some of the names of musicians or artists mentioned below then please feel free to say so and we can discuss as those mentioned here are very well know and Devendra's connection to them is very noteworthy and should be mentioned on this page.

Hekuri, I am not a sockpuppet run by Warner Bros. Please refrain from making false accusations against me. I have disclosed my connection to the artist here from day one and all I ask is a chance to help build this page up and work with you in doing so. Hekuri, I noticed on your page that this is really the only big musician you edit with fervor. Why is that?

I also realize the conflict of interest but am just trying to help with this page, not hurt it. Your efforts to diminish Devendra's accomplishments even when cited are very disconcerting. Just because you feel one way or have not heard of some of these musicians and artists does not give you the right to single-handedly remove so let's work together and move forward. If there are citation issues then I understand that and will do better in the future at citing things. Again, I want to work with you and everyone else here but ask that you have the same respect for me in return. Thank you.

PROPOSED ADDITIONS:

Adding "visual artist" to singer-songwriter in the opening sentence. As evidenced by Devendra's drawings being shown in prestigious galleries around the world (as sited on this page) he is a very accomplished and known artist in addition to his music. His artwork has been displayed in galleries all over the world. Two notable ones are cited on this page. Exactly what about that does not make him a "visual artist"? I'm sorry but I cannot see the logic in what you are saying and below are some more citations. Your comment "having some drawings in some galleries because you're famous" shows some a lack of knowledge about who he is and his artistic accomplishments which makes me further question your motivations and impartiality and connections to Devendra. Are you connected to him in some way? He is the only musician you do this to. Please let me know, I'm just trying to figure this out so we can work together. I am merely saying that in addition to being a musician, Devendra is also a visual artist as evidenced by his comments and work being shown in galleries.

Citations below:

Interview Devendra gave about his art: http://www.splendidmagazine.com/features/devendra/

Devendra Banhart: Well, if I'm not playing music, I'm drawing. Really. I don't really want to start in the morning with music. I'm like "aaah" and my throat has got cobwebs. So I just draw. I draw all day long. So they blend into each other. When I can't play music, I take a break by drawing. Right now, I have this book that might get published by a French surreal publishing company. And if there is a place that I could drop it off or send it to or a place where you could pick it up, I would love to give you a copy. It's a book of drawings and it's also got a narrative to it.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-12-06/culture/capsule-art-reviews-devendra-banhart-some-drawings-kirsten-hassenfeld-dans-la-lune-perspectives-158-kelly-nipper-pompeo-batoni-prince-of-painters-in-eighteenth-century-rome-ryan-geiger-secret-garden/

Adding Paul Klee's name to the SF MOMA exhibit as this was a joint exhibit as sited in this page. Paul Klee is a very well know artist and the show was a complete joint effort with him.

In the Megapuss mention that this was a collaborative project with multi-instrumentalist Greg Rogove {and Strokes drummer Fabrizio Moretti} named Megapuss. Citation below:

http://neufutur.com/?p=4403

The Strokes are a hugely successful American rock band: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strokes

He was one of the guest curators of the 2006 "All Tomorrow's Parties" festivals. His line up included Bat for Lashes,Vetiver, Jandek, Ramblin Jack Elliot with Whizz Jones, Vashti Bunyan, Espers, The Metallic Falcons, Rio en Medio, The Watts Prophets, Priestbird

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Tomorrow%27s_Parties_Festival_lineups

My Note: All Tomorrow's Parties is annually one of the biggest music festivals in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Tomorrow's_Parties_(music_festival)

Devendra was a participant in Yoko Ono's second "Water Piece Project". Yoko Ono was married to John Lennon and has had a very successful career as an artist and musician.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Ono

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Devendra_Banhart

In February of 2007 he headlined the "Welcome to Dreamland" bill at New York's Carnegie Hall. The line-up was hand-picked by David Byrne and featured Vetiver, Vashti Bunyan, among others.

http://www.indabamusic.com/people/david/blog/65-david-byrne-s-welcome-to-dreamland

My Note: David Byrne is the former lead singer of Talking Heads one of the most important rock bands ever and has gone on to a very successful solo career. This concert took place in Carnegie Hall, one of America's most esteemed venues and was sold out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Byrne

He played a show with Brazilian legend Gilberto Gil at the Hollywood Bowl in 2007

http://www.nme.com/news/devendrabanhart/37762

My note: Gilberto Gil is one of the biggest selling and well known Brazilian musicans ever. Citation above but please look him up if you have never heard of him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilberto_Gil

In 2006, he was invited to play Neil and Pegi Young’s Bridge School Benefit along with Neil Young, Brian Wilson, Pearl Jam, among others.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2006/10/2006_bridge_sch_1.html

My Note: Some of the biggest names in the history of music participated in this show with Devendra. Lktmgmt (talk) 18:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• The addition of visual artist to the lead gives it undue weight, he is primarily known as a musician. splendidmagazine.com introduces him as a musician, Houston Press says "better known as a leading figure in independent music".
• As for Klee: it is not correct to say they did a "two man show", there was no performance and the source indicates no collaboration, merely an exhibition with both of their works. If his name were to be included that should be pointed out, otherwise it's just namedropping.
• The source states that Fabrizio Moretti sang on a song of the Surfing album and toured with Rogove and Banhart, but to insert that he released the album with them would not be correct.
• As for All Tomorrow's Parties" and Yoko Ono's "Water Piece Project": Wikipedia itself not a reliable source and the absoluteastronomy.com article is sourced with Wikipedia. A Carnegie Hall performance is notable, but the source indabamusic.com is a social networking site. The show with Gil has a reliable source while the Bridge School benefit relies on the questionable brooklynvegan.com, but all the individual performances are only trivia if not put into any context. Adding list of all the festivals he did and who else appeared is not of great encyclopedic value and overly promotional, that's for an artist website, therefore I'm opposed to dropping the content just like that into the article.

Hekerui (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

RESPONSES:

• He is primarily known as a musician but he is also very well known in the art world as an artist. He has had shows at galleries which we have cited, Devendra has commented in an interview that he draws as much if not more than he writes songs which I have also cited. Singer-songwriter would still come first but this is a very important aspect to his career. He has stated so in the interview cited above. It does not eclipse him as a musican and would not be mentioned before singer-songwriter but I believe this is without question noteworthy enough to include a mention about after singer-songwriter. Here are more citations referring to Devendra's artwork:

http://www.neumu.net/datastream/2004/2004-00085/2004-00085_datastream.shtml

"Devendra Banhart is known for whimsical and stream-of-consciousness lyrics. But words are not the only thing spilling out from his creative impulses — he's also a prodigious visual artist. He's actually been drawing longer than he's been writing songs."

http://www.cardenasbellanger.com/pdf/dppt-e.pdf

CANADA Gallery in New York listing as one of their featured artists: http://www.canadanewyork.com/artistbio/devendra_banhart

• The SF MOMA show was a joint show with Paul Klee. There was no "performance" by Paul Klee as he is a visual artist, not musician but this was a joint show meaning a display of both of their works.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/23/devendra-banhart-and.html

• The Bridge School Benefit:

Why is brooklynvegan questionable? It is one of the most popular music blogs after Pitchfork and Stereogum. Please explain why this source is questionable? Here is another source:

http://www.livedaily.com/news/10681.html

• Understood on the Yoko Ono proposed addition and I will work on getting a better source.

• Megapuss. My source states Fab Moretti wrote a song, plays on the record, and tours with Megapuss. I really don't know what else is needed to explain that someone is a member of the band and disagree with your assessment. The title of the sourced article says Megapuss is Devendra, Greg Rogove, and Fab Moretti. Here is yet another article listing Fab Moretti as a member of the band and using the press shot with him in it.

http://www.foammagazine.com/art_and_music/super-freaks—megapuss-goes-surfing

• Carnegie Hall show. Understood on the lack of reliable source. Here is another citation about the show.

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/9916/DAVID-BYRNE-PRESENTS-%7C-02.02.07-%7C-NEW-YORK

Hekuri, important shows played by musicans are major milestones and career accomplishment for musicians and should be noted as and included here when cited properly which I have done for all three shows. The David Byrne curated Carnegie Hall show, Hollywood Bowl show with Brazilian legend Gilberto Gil, and Bridge School Concert with Neil Young and Brian Wilson are all incredibly noteworthy and should be included on this page. Thank you. Lktmgmt (talk) 19:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

2010 singles

ive never heard of glory days or Up On High In The Sky Time, i think its a joke, is it, prove me wrong?

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