Talk:Devil's Triangle (disambiguation)

Edits from Congressional IPs during Kavanaugh hearing

This page appears to be subject to attempts by Congressional staffers and/or political activists to modify it to provide evidence in an ongoing dispute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5C5:8300:9929:BC81:9B05:5E61:9A3B (talk • contribs) 22:41, September 27, 2018 (UTC)

Sources

Kavanaugh edit from U.S.House

https://www.newsweek.com/devils-triangle-boofed-mean-brett-kavanaugh-1142748

Many other sources as well. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 23:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

What change to this article are you suggesting? If it's adding the slang definition of a threesome, then the article you linked doesn't attempt to declare a definition and references only urban dictionary and, bizarrely, this page itself. -- Fyrael (talk) 01:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I was not suggesting an edit, but raising a warning. I was on my phone and had difficulty editing. I have not edited the article at all. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 02:45, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

It's worth noting that the urbandictionary entry regarding a devil's triangle referring to MMF threesomes has existed since May. It IS NOT NEW, and it's not just something those evil lefties added in to make a certain person look bad. Just because anyone can edit wikipedia doesn't meant here's not a process here. You can't just add in whatever the hell you want. Bitshifter700 (talk) 14:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Devil's Triangle may also refer to...

• a colloquial term for a sexual threesome consisting of one woman and two men. Jdmevans (talk) 02:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Earlier removal of this definition appears to be a partisan effort to clean up the impression of Judge Brett Kavanagh after today's hearings. It should be restored. Jdmevans (talk) 02:21, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree and added a reference for it at the article on Threesomes.Raquel Baranow (talk) 02:32, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it should be included. Will do. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 02:47, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

From what I can tell, the reference to a threesome only appeared today, after the edit to include the drinking game definition. It was removed shortly after. However, I don't disagree that it should be included, provided the term is included on the linked page and has a reliable and verifiable source. I would welcome the drinking game entry as well, if there were any source to back it up, but I am yet to find any reference to it whatsoever (aside from Kavanaugh himself), let alone a reliable source. dylansan (talk) 03:08, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

It would be good if someone could find an older reference for this. The earliest I could find was The Bro Code, a tie-in book for a television show I haven't seen, not sure if it was used in the show itself.--Pharos (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I assume the note at the top is also supposed to cover the threesome as relating to Kavanaugh, but if people don't object I will specify it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Natureium, yes it is. See Threesome#Types Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:34, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Removal of most items

Someone removed almost everything claiming that disambiguation pages are only for links. This is inaccurate. I don't want to get into an edit war, so I would rather have a discussion here. There are lots of disambiguation pages where the primary word is not linked but another word. See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_(disambiguation) --Thalia42 (talk) 00:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. WP:DABRELATED supports linking to articles which describe the term being disambiguated, even if the term in that context doesn't have its own article. For example, linking to Volleyball on a disambiguation page for Set. This happens all the time when a song or album shares a name with a term being disambiguated, where those songs may not have articles of their own, but are described in articles about the album or band.

The two entries which will be most controversial after today are the ones describing Devil's Triangle as a drinking game or slang for a threesome. Since neither of these uses is described in an article as far as I can tell, in my opinion they should be omitted from this page unless/until they are adequately covered in the articles they may link to. And, at least on this disambiguation page, I'd suggest neither use should reference Kavanaugh or his testimony, but only the factual and verifiable meaning of the term in a general sense.dylansan (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Devil's Triangle as a sex act between two men and one woman is mentioned in this 2003 article in Cosmopolitan that link couldbe added to the article on Threesomes. Raquel Baranow (talk) 02:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

If we add t to the article on threesomes, and then put the citation as a form of threesome in which there are two men and one woman, I think that would be valid. --Thalia42 (talk) 08:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Drinking game?

Added without sources or corresponding article [1]. 2601:188:180:1481:F1D3:A992:41FB:F56 (talk) 03:24, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I maintain an active archive of all Reddit data. Devil's Triangle is *not* a drinking game. Here are references from over 4 billion Reddit comments from 2008. Please refer to this tweet: https://twitter.com/jasonbaumgartne/status/1045512413511069697 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aphexcoil (talk • contribs) 03:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

It has been removed and a hidden warning to not add it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Could someone explain why the original edit mentioning a drinking game and Judge Kavanaugh has been hidden? That edit has been cited in news reports and the like. There's nothing defamatory in it that I can see, and it seems like an important part of the public record, especially since it came from the House of Representatives. john k (talk) 13:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a disambiguation page. The purpose it serves is to direct people off to the correct article that they are looking for when they search for an ambiguous name that could refer to more than one thing. If we had an article for a drinking game called "The Devil's Triangle" then we would list it here. If we did not have an article for it but it was mentioned in, say, Drinking game then we could link to that. The problem is that we don't have either. There is also the small matter that there is no evidence that any of it is true. With nothing to corroborate that this drinking game actually exists (or rather existed before we heard about it in the past week because I'm pretty sure more than one person is making up a drinking game for it right now) there is no point having an entry. Pointing at Drinking game would not help anybody at all as it is not even mentioned there (and probably should not be because there is no evidence for it existing). We don't want to have an entry that says "alleged" as that has negative connotations for some readers. We have no way of knowing whether the drinking game ever existed. It might well have done. Maybe it is just something that only a few people ever heard of. We don't want to imply that he is lying. We should not say anything that either implies that it does or that it doesn't exist. We know nothing so we say what we know: nothing. Unless anything more substantial comes to light, I guess this is what DJT calls a "nothingburger". Please drink responsibly. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Not asking why this alleged meaning of the term is not included in the article. I'm asking why the edit where somebody added that alleged meaning of the term to this article is hidden so as not to be visible to the general public looking through the history of this page. john k (talk) 13:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

john k, it has been removed because Kavanaugh's definition appears to be a creative alternative fact and the first known mention in history, as far as we know, immediately followed by mention here from a Congressional IP. It's all more than a bit suspicious. We base content here on RS, and we don't dignify insignifican hoaxes like this (or whatever other term you'd call this occurrence) by mentioning them here. If this doesn't die down, and enough RS point out the hoax as an "alternative fact" (falsehood), subsequently followed by an attempt to misuse Wikipedia to provide a cover story for it, then we might end up with Devil's Triangle (hoax) or Devil's Triangle (cover story), where Kavanaugh and the IP source can be immortalized. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 14:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm not asking why that edit was removed from the article. I'm asking why the edit itself is hidden in the edit history. john k (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Appears to be a drinking game invented by one of Kavanaugh's school-buddies. (Hard to believe they all would brag about a sex act .... several of them listed "Devils Triangle" in their yearbook as one of their school achievements.) see here Raquel Baranow (talk) 17:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

That's exactly the type of thing young men would brag about at that age. Did the context of their mentions then even fit a drinking game? No. Note that before this nomination we find no mentions of the Devil's Triangle as a drinking game, none at all, but there exist sources from before the nomination that show it was used as a sexual term in the past. It's rather suspicious that the very first mention of it as a drinking game appeared here at Wikipedia immediately after Kavanaugh mentioned it in testimony, and the source was a Congressional IP.... That describes how cover stories come to be. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 18:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

 Done

This page was last edited on 28 September 2018, at 03:24 (UTC). by (Redacted) seeking to support the (Redacted) statements made by Judge Brett Kavanaugh in his senate committee hearing regarding his alleged assault of Dr. Blasey Ford. Asked what "Devil's Triangle" referred to in his yearbook, the Judge said it was a "drinking game." Moments later this page was updated to match his (Redacted).

I think the page should be re-edited to eliminate this erroneous entry. Wikipedia should not be used for political propaganda. 2604:2000:7195:9300:C0BD:13B2:3D6E:9531 (talk) 03:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

It has been removed, and a hidden warning to not add it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 03:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2018

Devils Triangle is a synonym for the slang terms of Devils Threesome or Devils Threeway. It is a sexual encounter which involves 2 men and one woman.

Citation for Devil's Triangle, Urban Dictionary, May 11, 2008.

Citation for Devils Threeway/Devils Threesome, Urban Dictionary, August 8, 2008. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Devils%20Threeway&page=2

Movie: The Devil's Threesome https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039930/ 2dayisNOW (talk) 04:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

 Already done This meaning is already mentioned in the section "Other uses"; noting however the sources you've listed are not reliable Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:00, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Provide reliable sources that indicate that this is indeed a slang term or else remove it. There is nothing on the threesome page to indicate that "devil's triangle" refers to a threesome. (The page contains a reference to "devil's threesome".) I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be verifiable and cite reliable sources. Add a reliable source (not Urban Dictionary or Twitter, as noted) for the term "devil's triangle" meaning threesome; otherwise remove it from the disambiguation page. Bueller 007 (talk) 01:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The threesome article does provide a RS for it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 14:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, it did contain the words, but the RS is only for Devil's threesome. It's still not a drinking game. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 15:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit war over sexual meaning

I see that the article has now been fully protected, which is just as well. I do wish that people had come to the talk page earlier, especially as there's prior discussion here already on this exact topic. I wish to point out that there hasn't been a reliable source provided that discusses this topic as common slang. I've seen a Comso listicle (not necessarily considered reliable), an NYT article that discusses it specifically in the context of Kavanaugh's high school, and an Urban Dictionary entry (not a reliable source). Until a reliable source is found to support it at the Threesome article, I would strongly suggest that we remove this entry on this disambiguation page, especially as it's a hot button political topic right now. Frankly, I'm surprised that Salvio giuliano protected it with the unsupported material in place. Could it please be removed until sourcing is found? Currently, it fails WP:V. Waggie (talk) 01:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I protected the page as I found it, which is what administrators frequently do in the event of a content dispute, especially considering that the material in question is not vandalism, defamation, or a BLP violation and, consequently, did not need to be removed as soon as possible. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 01:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply, Salvio. Well, whether we like it or not, having it in Wikipedia's voice adds legitimacy to the term in a fast-moving political discussion (lending to the urgency here of either supporting the term, or removing it). Legitimate term or not, it's not supported by the target, and there isn't reliable sources being offered, I obviously feel it should be removed. Waggie (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Waggie that the disputed content should be removed, as it isn't supported by the article Threesome. I think the content should be included in this disambiguation page if and only if it can be sourced well enough to be mentioned in the Threesome article. What do other editors think? —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:06, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Invoking Wikipedia:Stable version, I have decided to remove it, going back to the last stable version. On second thoughts, I agree that, in the light of the current situation, it's probably best to err on the side of caution and policy allows for such an action. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 02:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Threesome. I don't think "devil's triangle" is as common a phrase as "devil's three-way." Yetishawl (talk) 05:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Salvio, the threesome article does provide a RS for it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 14:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, it did contain the words, but the RS is only for Devil's threesome. It's still not a drinking game. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 15:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I grew in the Maryland area and attended an all boys prep school comprised of a priviled student population. I will fully attest what we used Devil’s Triangle as a term interchangeable with Devil’s Threesome. While both terms are slang, that does not change the meaning nor does it alter the intent behind their use. So I do not agree with your recent omission of the term’s “urban dictionary” definition. While I do not want to ever condone the use of the term, we should not hide its meaning. Jamesbendos (talk) 16:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Verifiable evidence in reliable sources, please. No one is hiding anything. We are awaiting evidence. Bueller 007 (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

For this purpose, Cosmopolitan is a RS. So we now have two RS, 2013 and 2015, documenting the meaning as a MMF sexual threesome.

• Frank, Cosmo (December 12, 2013). "12 Things Guys Really Think About Threesomes". Cosmopolitan. Retrieved September 30, 2018.
• Arden, Isabelle (2015). Devil's Triangle: an MMF bisexual menage thriller (Kindle). ASIN B00WJ27DJS. Retrieved September 30, 2018.

This should be good enough to use.

As for the Kavanaugh hoax/alternative fact/cover story....it does not qualify in any sense to document the alleged "drinking game".

Kavanaugh's definition appears to be a creative alternative fact and the first known mention (as a drinking game) in history, as far as we know, immediately followed by mention here from a Congressional IP. It's all more than a bit suspicious. We base content here on RS, and we don't dignify insignificant hoaxes like this (or whatever other term you'd call this occurrence) by mentioning them here. If this doesn't die down, and enough RS point out the hoax as an "alternative fact" (falsehood), subsequently followed by an attempt to misuse Wikipedia to provide a cover story for it, then we might end up with Devil's Triangle (hoax) or Devil's Triangle (cover story), where Kavanaugh and the IP source can be immortalized. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 22:00, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Let's not forget other references to Devil's Triangle predating the 2018 hearing, (by more than 10 years) . The TV show "How I met your Mother" (which to be fair used the term "Devil's Threeway"), but the definition is consistent with the claimed definition. . While it is unclear that Devil's Triangle refers to MMF-sex in the 1980s. There should be very little doubt that prior to September 2018, a Devil's Triangle was used as reference to MMF-sex. Martianunlimited (talk) 01:28, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Protected edit request on 30 September 2018

Forgive me for being new. I read the first time pages but did not fully understand them and have tried to do this the best I can. I felt the need to create an account to help resolve the issue of this page as I was reading a story about how this page has been since the recent controversy. I am requesting a definition be added back to this page as there are references that use this term in the sexual context from as far back as 5 years ago. The definition should be recognized as one that is true and not solely from the recent political discussions. As can be from the sources I cite, this term has been used with the sexual context in literary and magazine. Note: Note sure how to reference ebook without URL to Amazon.

A sexual threesome consisting of two men and one woman.Frank, Cosmo (2013-12-12). "12 Things Guys Really Think About Threesomes". Cosmopolitan. Retrieved 2018-09-30.Arden, Isabelle (2015). Devil's Triangle: an MMF bisexual menage thriller (Kindle). ASIN B00WJ27DJS. Dr.yorlik (talk) 05:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. This is what the edit war was all about, so, please get consensus for this to be added, first. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Salvio, the threesome article does provide a RS for it. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 14:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, it did contain the words, but the RS is only for Devil's threesome. It's still not a drinking game. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 15:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed that it is NOT a drinking game. I felt maybe the book title Arden, Isabelle (2015). Devil's Triangle: an MMF bisexual menage thriller (Kindle). ASIN B00WJ27DJS. was the best indicator that it is a known term for meaning a threesome. The book appears to be an erotic story and even uses MMF in the title.Dr.yorlik (talk) 16:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I would think the title of a book published in 2015 would be a RS to document the meaning of the term. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 19:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Being the title of a (self-published) book indicates nothing. The same "logic" could be used to prove that "Gerald's Game" is slang for bondage or that "Jurassic Park" is a real place. If "Devil's triangle" is in fact common slang for a threesome as has been repeatedly suggested, there must be a better reference for it. (In fact, if it is as common as is suggested, there should be numerous references for it.) In the particular case of condemning Kavanaugh's usage, it would require a reference that dates to 1982 or earlier; but for the Wikipedia purposes of establishing it as slang on the disambiguation page, a reliable reference from any date will suffice. Bueller 007 (talk) 22:00, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

At least we have no RS indicating it's a drinking game, but two sources, and Cosmo is a RS for this purpose, indicating it is slang for a MMF threesome. Whether it's a "common" term is another matter. "Devil's threesome" is the equivalent, and a much more common term. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 22:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Right, and I don't see many people arguing that the drinking game should be added, even if that's legitimately what was meant, since it's totally unverifiable and completely non-notable. If a single Cosmo article is all you have for the alleged sexual meaning, you're going to have a hard time persuading anyone that it's worth recording as a supposedly common and notable slang term supported by reliable sources. Bueller 007 (talk) 04:28, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

RFC on sexual threesome

The consensus is that the article should not include in other uses, "A sexual threesome, consisting of one woman and two men". Editors considered the quantity and quality of the sources insufficient to support inclusion. The two sources presented here were a self-published fiction book and a Cosmopolitan article. There is no prejudice against revisiting this in the future if more higher quality sources are presented.

Cunard (talk) 23:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should the article include in other uses, "A sexual threesome, consisting of one woman and two men" per https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Devil%27s_Triangle_(disambiguation)&oldid=861789744 and these sources:

• Frank, Cosmo (December 12, 2013). "12 Things Guys Really Think About Threesomes". Cosmopolitan. Retrieved September 30, 2018.
• Arden, Isabelle (2015). Devil's Triangle: an MMF bisexual menage thriller (Kindle). ASIN B00WJ27DJS. Retrieved September 30, 2018.

? Casprings (talk) 02:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Yes. Here we have two RS from 2013 and 2015 which establish that this is a meaning of Devil's Triangle. That's good enough. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 02:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• Any RFC for this should not be occurring on this page. It needs to be decided on the threesome page whether or not to include this information, and then the disambiguation page will be edited accordingly. There should not be any scenario where the two pages disagree. -- Fyrael (talk) 04:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• These references are non-RS junk. Is this really the best there is? This is supposedly a common term. You have it being used in quotation marks in a Cosmo article (and apparently they thought the term was so obscure that they had to provide a definition) and as the title of a self-published fiction book. The Cosmo article is marginal at best, but it should go without saying that the self-published source means absolutely nothing. Bueller 007 (talk) 04:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• I prefer "a term brought up in the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination." That's the only place where the term has any significance. TFD (talk) 04:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• No'. So we have two non-reliable sources, a blog post and a self-published book. Even then we don't know if the phrase "Devil's Triangle" in the book title was used to mean a MMF threesome, or if it was just a cool sounding name for a book about a MMF threesome. The fact that someone, somewhere, refereed to something using a slang term is not enough for inclusion. Let me give some examples of other "Devil's Triangle" terms that we would have to add:

1. Devil's Triangle the board game
2. Devil's Triangle the beer
3. Another Devil's Triangle Beer
4. Devil's Triangle Rum & Cola
5. The Devil's Triangle Book by Catherine Coulter & J.T. Ellison
6. The Devil's Triange book by Toni De Palma
7. The A Devil’s Triangle: Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and Rogue States, book by Brookes Brookes
8. The trade-off in accuracy, transparency, and robustness in ethical machine learning methods.
9. The tradeoff in Time, Cost, and Quality
10. The Devil's Triangle explains how economic pressures can drive software vendors and system integrators to act in ways that do not serve customer interests.
11. Devil's Triangle the game
12. Devil's Triangle the astronomical event
13. A stage of startups
14. A triangle Stick
15. A location in Richmond, VA
16. A visual effect
17. 1970 TV special The Devil’s Triangle

-Obsidi (talk) 04:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Some of those are already listed (hidden expedition), and some should be listed (the books and the boardgame). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thalia42 (talk • contribs) 10:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't listed when I wrote the list, in which I grabbed basicly every reference I could find in a few minutes of google searching. -Obsidi (talk) 15:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Fish_and_karate The editor above is correct that at least one entry should be added from this list. I haven't found anything for the others yet. Please add:

• The Devil's Triangle, a book by J.T. Ellison and Catherine Coulter

-- Fyrael (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Fyrael: Done. Fish+Karate 13:49, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

I expect that within the next few days we will see articles in reliable sources analyzing the lexicology of this slang term, in the context of the early 1980's prep school culture of the Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC. Until current high quality sources that do not rely on versions of this article emerge, we should revert to the most stable version of the article before this term burst into the national discourse of U.S. politics. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• I'm inclined towards no, on the grounds that it was only added to that page in the course of the recent K fuss; it wasn't there in the last pre-recent-editathon version [2] William M. Connolley (talk) 09:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• Comment WP:DABMENTION is the correct determinant of inclusion in a dab (and dabs are not "articles" per nom) per WP:MOSDAB (or alternatively, a bold alternative title in an article). This is a content question for an article not a dab so offtopic here, and normal article editing determines inclusion there, which is then "automatic" here. Saying that, (in terms of the article rather than here, we also avoid WP:SLANG), but it is normal to add a wiktionary link to cover dictionary items in dabs per MOSDAB. Widefox; talk 11:21, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
• No. If someone's looking for that information, they can search for the thing in ways other than calling it by the slang name. This fails MOS:DAB and including it in the See also section is just trying to circumvent MOS:DAB. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) wumbolo ^^^ 11:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Wumbolo in what way does it fail MOSDAB? As the current article threesome does not include the term, it currently fails DABMENTION but you didn't say. Widefox; talk 14:36, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

@Widefox: it fails MOS:DAB, short and simple. That includes failing DABMENTION, DABREDIR, etc. wumbolo ^^^ 15:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

@Wumbolo: How? that's an argument to avoid in discussions per WP:JUSTAPOLICY / Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_on_discussion_pages#Just_pointing_at_a_policy_or_guideline Widefox; talk 15:42, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm not going to waste any more time discussing this time-wasting RfC on whether a random slang term belongs to the "See also" section on a disambiguation page which gains a median of 33 pageviews per day. wumbolo ^^^ 15:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

In addition to Widefox's point, I'm very curious to hear how redirects are involved here. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you Fyrael the RfC is in the wrong place. User:Casprings - this is a dab, not an article, so sources and content discussions don't really change anything here. The only thing that matters is the article content, so this debate is misplaced and should be there. (and for anyone that cares for pageviews, it's currently at 30K /d, peaked at 70K [3]) Widefox; talk 16:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Coming from The Signpost, jeez, all of this because of a random thing in Kavanaugh's yearbook??? How immature, I can't believe someone didn't create FFFFFFF. wumbolo ^^^ 17:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

• Yes It's a real term, has real meaning, and sources. Just because of the public spot light doesn't mean it should be removed from Wiki. I agree that it should be protected, however, as there are certainly going to be subjective edits rather than objective ones. I also agree with including the other aforementioned uses of the term. This is an encyclopedia and repository for information.--Kobuu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
• Possible for "Devil's threesome", but conditional
  • 1. on being WP:DABMENTIONed in the article Threesome (yes), and
  • 2. determination of being OK per WP:SLANG - there's many slang terms and we try to avoid them (weak)
  • 3. only as See also item
  • 4. desirable? does this really improve WP? (judgement call)

Now that Threesome mentions the term "Devil's threesome", it is still not a valid WP:DABMENTION at Devil's Triangle (disambiguation), but could be included as a See also section item (using the redirect)

* Devil's threesome, a type of sexual activity

Considering the Cosmo source, that gives credence to usage/confusion and hence inclusion, but it's a reach and Love triangle by that logic could also be included as a see also, which is the missing link for connecting the term with here, which gets into WP:OR, WP:SYN issues. It's weak and best handled at wiktionary (done). Widefox; talk 15:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

• No as per WP:NOTNEO. Just because one or two sources use the term does not make it widespread. This is not urban dictionary.--Rusf10 (talk) 19:26, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
• No I don't think a selfpublished? adult novel counts as an RS. If it does, I don't think many of us are going to like the outcome. The Cosmopolitan is slightly better but still not that great and with only one there's insufficient sourcing. Nil Einne (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• This RFC shouldn't be happening. I agree with User:Fyrael. The content should be included in this page if and only if it's included in the Threesome article. The discussion about the quality of sourcing should be taking place at Talk:Threesome, not here. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• No As above, this is not urbandictionary. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• No Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS and the only reason to add this slang term would be because it is currently in news. The project should not become a glossary of sexual slang, leave that to Urban Dictionary. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 18:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• No, or at least not yet, for all the reasons stated above against inclusion of it at this time.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 05:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
• No. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, urban, slang, or otherwise. Kick the can to Wiktionary, where a different set of nerds with different nerd rules can fight over its inclusion. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
• No - this seems just recently rejected at the Threesome page and at RSN, so it does not seem to properly be one of the disambig entries. It has some recentism coverage, and as drinking game also, but there seems too little WEIGHT to enter either .... Cheers Markbassett (talk) 04:54, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 1 October 2018

Routine cleanup according to WP:MOSDAB - primary per MOS:DABPRIMARY (overview WP:DABYESNO). The addition of a wiktionary link is also routine, but is optional and can be omitted:

Devil's Triangle, or the Bermuda Triangle, is a region in the North Atlantic Ocean.

Devil's Triangle may also refer to:

Arts and entertainment

Television

• "Devil's Triangle" (NCIS), an episode of the series NCIS
• "Devil's Triangle", an episode of the series MysteryQuest
• "The Devil's Triangle", an episode of the series Curiosity

Music

• "The Devil's Triangle", a song by King Crimson on the album In the Wake of Poseidon
• "The Devil's Triangle", a song by Dagoba on the album Poseidon
• "Devil's Triangle", a song by Primitive Radio Gods on the album White Hot Peach

Other entertainment

• "The Devil's Triangle", a short story by Melinda M. Snodgrass in the book One-Eyed Jacks
• Hidden Expedition: Devil's Triangle, a video game

Other uses

• Angel's Triangle, El Paso, Texas, a neighborhood in the US, previously named Devil's Triangle

{{disambiguation}} Widefox; talk 11:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Fish+Karate 12:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:Fish and karate can you just insert a {{TOC right}} in the line above the ==Arts and entertainment== line pls (per WP:MOSDAB) or would you prefer another edit request? (I should have known, but preview failed to remind me). Widefox; talk 14:09, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

A ping is fine :)  Done Fish+Karate 14:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

TOCs good :) Widefox; talk 14:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Jonathunder re [4] removed the country, which I like to keep on, and as we only have one place, further details of where in Texas/US isn't needed per MOS:DABENTRY "minimum" (sure the same logic means we could drop the country, but it feels right to keep the big and drop the small). This one is a not-uncommon awkward one to word, alternatively the US part could go right after "Texas". Widefox; talk 19:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

If we're going to nitpick this entry, I think it should read "Angel's Triangle, El Paso, Texas, US, previously named Devil's Triangle" -- Fyrael (talk) 13:39, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, fixed. Dabs are kept quite tight to WP:MOSDAB, for many reasons. Widefox; talk 15:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 October 2018

Add a link to Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination.

This term and its contested meaning have become a key issue in the most contentious Supreme Court nomination in decades. That is notable. Rather than supposing Wikipedia is a forum to litigate what this term "actually means," let's direct users to the actual correct page about the relevant subject: the nomination itself.

This disambiguation page does not exist to litigate what this term "actually means." But it does exist to get users to one of many relevant pages "Devil's Triangle" may refer to. This term has 2001:569:7824:0:303D:3F36:55F0:F6B7 (talk) 08:13, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

This might have been a good suggestion, except that the nomination page doesn't even seem to consider the Triangle remark notable enough to bear mentioning. -- Fyrael (talk) 18:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done there'd need to be consensus for this. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:03, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Definitely should not be done. Bueller 007 (talk) 01:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 5 October 2018

2605:8D80:401:6534:47EE:AB63:2E75:3BFA (talk) 01:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

See above. Jonathunder (talk) 01:32, 5 October 2018 (UTC)