Talk:Devolution to the North of England

Move

Not sure I should open a formal WP:RM for this, but, as discussed in the recent AfD, this article is no longer about northern independence (and arguably never was), but is about Devolution to the North of England, which I propose as a new title. Any objections to my moving it? If so I'll start a WP:RM, if not I'll be semibold and move it. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 00:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dunarc, Deathlibrarian, DoubleGrazing, Johnpacklambert, Starklinson, and *Treker: pinging AfD participants. If no objection I'll move in a couple of days, since the title is slightly misleading as is. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 10:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi @YorkshireLad: Not only have I no objection to moving this, I'd say that must be done to resolve the incongruity between the title and the contents, as well as to reflect (what I interpret to be) the AfD consensus. For the same reasons, I also don't think a formal move discussion is needed. Go ahead, and thanks for putting this to bed. :) Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:20, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@YorkshireLad: I have no issues with a move. A clearer title is a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 14:46, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks both. Agreed that it needs to be done sooner rather than later. Will move now, but no objection to a formal WP:RM if anyone's not happy. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@YorkshireLad: I fully support the move. Dunarc (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I fully support the re-title (and yes, we agreed to as part of the AFD), but had thought "Northern England Devolution" as perhaps a bit simpler?Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Deathlibrarian, my thought was that "Northern England Devolution", especially with the capital D, implies it's the WP:COMMONNAME of the topic, whereas I don't think those specific three words normally appear in order in sources. (The capital D is acceptable in the wording I moved it to because it's the first word fo the title, per MOS:TITLECAPS: devolution to the North of England and Devolution to the North of England are both the same article, whereas Northern England Devolution and Northern England devolution are different (non-)pages.) "Northern England devolution" is better, but still implies its a phrase in common use to me (and also potentially is ambiguous, to a reader who doesn't know the background: does it mean devolution to to the North of England, or devolution from it to the local councils, say?).

This was just to explain my logic, however; I would not object to a move to Northern England devolution (lowercase D) if it's generally thought better: it is, as you say, simpler and more concise. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 19:55, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

HI @YorkshireLad: - yes doing a quick Google search, I can see you are right, "Devolution to the North of England" seems to have a better case for being the WP:COMMONNAME... so happy to leave as is. Northern England devolution only got 1700 hits. All good! Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)