Talk:Diego

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Diego is neither James nor Jacob, but definitly Didacus. Santiago is San Iago, and Iago is Jacob or James. Have a look at the German page, please. Greetings from Germany--84.61.193.54 12:53, 15 January 2006 (UTC)coolgretchen

That would be more a respectable argument if any reliable documental source were provided, like in the Spanish version.

An article that lists among famous Diegos, a martial arts fighter and does not lost Diego Velázquez doesn't seem too "cultured" not reliable.

If you read the spanish wikipedia, it says the exact opposite. They say that the "Didacus" is a pseudo-latin construction from medieval times. --Kunzite 21:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

'Diego' is the union of two names: Latin name 'Didacvs' (from the Greek name 'Didachos'), which means 'instructed' and the Hebrew name 'Yako'.

So it's like that:

  Didachos -> Didacvs -> Didaco -> Diaco -> Dieco -> Diego
  
  Yako -> Iacb -> Iacob -> Iaco -> Diaco -> Dieco -> Diego

Diego —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.37.249.149 (talk) 23:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Where the name really comes from

Diego DEFINITELY comes from Jacob (James).

Sanctus Iacobus Sant Iago Santiago Sandiego San Diego

Or at least something like it. CHECK THE SPANISH PAGE on this. Unlike your comments and this article the Spanish has SOURCES:

From Spanish Wikipedia (with some explanation from yours truly): "The name Diego has the same history as the name Santiago. It comes from an incorrect division of the word Santiago into San and Tiago [a correct division would be Sant Iago, theoretically], in Portuguese St. James is called São Tiago. From "Tiago," Diego is derived.

The process of separation proceeded as such, though when it evolved isn't clear:

[Sanctus Iacobus] --> Sant Yago or Sant Iago --> Sant Tiago --> Tiago o Tyago --> Diago --> Diego

Examples in Old Spanish:

'Et ueno M. Thome, maordomo del bispo, al día del plazo de Sant Yago & aduxo los alcaldes sobredichos...' - Anónimo, Documento de avenencia. Castilla, ca. 1230.

"Rogamos asant clemente en cuyo día nasçiemos & asant illifonso cuyo nombre abemos. & a Sant Tiago que es nuestro sennor & nuestro padron" Fuero de Burgos. ca. 1290.

"Título de vna fazannia Don del tiempo del Rey don alfonso el vyeio. Nunno el buenno & Don Diago gonçalez su hermano..." Fuero de Burgos. ca. 1290. (same guy as above)

Here you see the defusion of the name Santiago. There are some that say that Diego was influenced by the latinization of Didacua, from the Greek Didaios, meaning instructed, but it seems that Didacus never existed in spoken Latin in the Roma era. It is seen, like other pseudolatin names like Ludovicus [German in origin, see Ludwig, Louis, Luis, Luigi, etc) and Xavierus (from the Basque Exaberri [or maybe Arabic, see Jaffar], see Javier, Xavier) as is the case with Didacus.

What is certain is that there was never documental presence of names, like Didacus Roberici from Diego Rodriguez (which itself means son of Rodrigo/Roderick) outside of their Latinization, i.e. there was never anyone named Didaco anything like it before Diego.

Furthermore, in heraldry the last name Diego is associated with the apostle St. James (Santiago) [1]. Therefore the origin of Diego from Tiago seems clear. Though one often Latinizes Didacus purely out of (cultish) reverence for the Latin name Didacus, there doesn't seem to be evidence that from Didacus was derived Diego.

Even here Galdós notes in his episode "Narváez" this confusion: "This is the second song -said Miedes designated her big "well supplied" boy, handsome, of a tan complexion, which we contemplated to be arrogant. His name is Didacus or James, though the people call him Diego."

In spite of the confusion, there is not reason to confuse the apostle St. James the Great, patron of Spain with Friar James of Saint Nicholas and Saint Didacus of Alcala[2]."

1) http://www.fuenterrebollo.com/diego14.html 2) http://www.franciscanos.org/bac/diegoalcala.html

Diego

I know what I'm talking about, I'm Spanish and my name's Diego, so I know that James and Jacob are the same name as Diego. Also, I know Didachos (instructed), Didacvs and Didaco are the same name as Diego. I can't write this page because I do not speak English as my own language.

Oh i didn't know that because you're spanish you're automatically the end all and be all of all sources. Got it, for future reference all Spanish people know everything about the name Diego and their language.

Name Origin

• Can anyone provide a source that can be verified regarding the proper origin of the name? Specifically, academic research? If you can, please list. Thanks! Elhombre72 17:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• No sources cited. Elhombre72 17:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced etymology section

Quotations from old texts are not sufficient references. (BTW, they must be translated in English) References which discuss etymology are required. Otherwise it is original research. Moreover, Standard references to quoted pieces must be given, according to wikipedia style. `'Míkka 17:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Diego

There's no mention of the name Diego being used as slang, or term of abuse of Spanish/Portuguese/Mexican people...In the same way Tommy=English, Jock=Scots or Fritz=German...Hopefully somebody will add it soon...--Madkaffir 16:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I too would like some clarification. "Dago" appears to be derived from "Diego," and it's the slang used for Spaniards in _Beat to Quarters_ by C. S. Forrester. Enter "dago" in Wikipedia, however, and it sends you to a disambiguation page where it is merely listed as a slur for Italians (U.S.) or Southern Europeans (UK). --74.69.191.220 (talk) 18:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

James

Diego is a Spanish male name derived from James which in turn is derived from the Hebrew Yaʻăqōbh (Jacob)

"Diego" is derived from the English name "James"? I doubt that. It is derived from the Spanish equivalent. 72.75.86.126 (talk) 09:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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revert to October 2020?

It appears that this article has been pretty much blanked, and what was left turned on its head, in November 2020. Here is the last version before this happened[1]

The reason for this is apparently the single source from 2009, where apparently somebody argued that Diego is from a name of unknown origin, "Didacus". The mainstream opinion is, of course, that Didacus is just the latinization of Diego, and Diego is perfectly correctly analysed as from Sant-Yago > San-Tiago.

Now it seems that Didacus is recorded in the 8th century, which, if correct, does pose a problem for the interpretation of Didacus as a mere latinization of Diego, as the reanalysis Sant-Yago > San-Tiago would at the earliest have taken place around 1100 or so.

If this is the case, just lay out the evidence, and give such scholarly opinions as you can find, but don't blank the entire page because you found one recent dissenting opinion. --dab (𒁳) 07:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

It isn't just one opinion, but Lidia Becker is the one opinion you need. Diego comes from Didaco/-us. There is no question. It has nothing to do with Santiago. I did not simply stumble on a recent dissenting opinion, I stumbled on this page and was surprised to see it peddling the Santiago nonsense. So I checked the source I knew. Here is Becker's footnote, the only place she addresses the Santiago thing:

Bemerkenswert ist eine vermutlich alte Tradition, die Varianten des Namens Jakobus (→Iacobus) und Diego gleichstellt. Die Übersetzung von fremdsprachigen Äquivalenten zu Jakobus durch Diego hat im Sp. und Port. Fuß gefasst (VasconcellosAntrPort 88). Sogar in der Ausgabe der Enzyklopädie Espasa-Calpe aus dem Jahr 1920 erscheinen z. B. die it. Heiligen Jàcopo da Varagine (1226-1298) und Jàcopo Bianconi (1220-1301) jeweils als Diego de Vorágine und Diego Bianconi. Der hl. Jakob von Ulm / Jakob Griesinger / Alemannus (1407-1491) wird Diego Alemán / de Ulma genannt (Espasa-Calpe 18.1,989994). Leider scheint die von Malkiel 1975a,188-9,A.25 als “extraña pareja” bezeichnete Entsprechung Diego =Jaime < Jakobus immer noch Herausgeber einiger populärer Namenbücher bei ihren etymologischen Versuchen zu reizen.

Becker includes a long list of instances of Didacus/Didaco/Didago/Didagus before the 12th century. She cites a Diacus from as early as 920. Kremer touches on Diego/Didacus (and mentions the same Diacus). There is a long list of pre-12th-century Didaci in Antroponimia medieval galega (ss. VIII–XII). The Dictionary of American Family Names calls the Santiago connection a folk etymology. Is there any scholarship more recent than the 19th century that would support Santiago→Diego? Srnec (talk) 00:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I consulted Becker, and I see that you were right. I have also tried to fix the wiktionary entries which insisted on Diego=Jacob. --dab (𒁳) 17:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:OR

The following statements seem like OR to me:

• The etymology of Diego is disputed
• This has been the standard interpretation of the name since at least the 19th century
• In the later 20th century, the traditional identification of Diego = Jacobo has come to be seen as untenable

We have lots of written records. There really isn't any doubt that Diego has nothing to do with Santiago. Srnec (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)