Talk:Digimon (creature)

The "Armor" level

I'm not too sure about saying "Armor" is a Digivolution level on its own.

In Digimon Adventure 02, it explains that armor digivolution was an ancient form of digivolution that was used when the digital world was still young and Digimon still needed help to Digivolve to the champion level (or ultimate level for golden armor i suppose).

So strictly speaking, Armor digivolution would have either bought digimon up to or closer to the champion level. I don't think it's a level on its own. --`/aksha 10:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The Japanese Analyser screen says that Adult and Armor are two different levels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T18MLxmf83Y&mode=related&search= (6:32) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvMhzPZUxuM&mode=related&search= (1:24)

It's not what you "think" that makes something right or wrong - it's what the souce says. If wikipedia was just a forum for our beliefs or opinions, it would have collapsed a long time ago.

Burst Mode is also a different level - the analyser screen clearly says that the digimon is no longer Ultimate level. I think it's about time for this fanfiction that there is no level above Ultimate to end, seeing as its so indefensible.128.211.254.142 22:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

But does the Analyzer give the name of a specifically different level? From what I gather there is no official source that says, "Such-and-suchmon is such-and-such level, a level greater than even the Ultimate level." Indiawilliams 23:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Fine, I'll say it again. For both Armor and Burst Mode, the Analyser clearly says "Armor" or "Burst Mode" in the level box, instead of "Adult" or "Ultimate". Furthermore, in V-Tamer, the first real digimon story, the entire plot is based on achieving a level higher than Ultimate. The ONLY basis for the "no higher level" myth is the cards (which do not say there isn't, they merely neglect to actually name one), and those aren't the MOST canon anyway - the anime and manga are, and in them, there IS a level past Ultimate.

From my understanding of how the cards work, you get more points based on what level the enemy was when you deleted him, versus your level. So re-inserting "Armor" and "Mega", when the points won would be essentially the same, would be horribly wasteful of time and money.128.211.254.142 15:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like you're reading too much into it. I can see Armor being considered a different "level", but when something says "mode"... -- Ned Scott 05:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Um. Huh? What? The Analyzer screens do not clearly state that the Digimon is no longer Ultimate. There is no level box, although level is usually placed beneath the name. In the case of the Burst Mode Digimon, due to the length of their names, they put it on two lines. The Japanese kanji for "level" is not added as a suffix. They simply state the Digimon's name, and the narrator makes no reference to Burst Mode being a level -- he treats it as part of their name. The Digivice Burst toys and the cards both confirm Burst Mode Digimon to be Ultimate level. It should be common sense anyway -- why would Burst Modes have any trouble against the Royal Knights if they were a higher level?

With Armor Evolution, it is specifically explained as an alternative means to reach the Adult level. Thus, Armor is a kind of Adult. Unless you're saying the show and the cards and the games are wrong here too? Or maybe you have another explanation for why all the Armor Digimon are also listed as Adult Digimon when they're evolved to without a Digimental?

Also, Super Ultimate did not come into play until years after the manga started. At any rate, even with the manga, the Super Ultimate Digimon have Super Ultimate as part of their name, and in all sources where they are given levels, they're listed as Ultimate Digimon, not Super Ultimates. The V-Pet profiles (V-Pets are older than V-Tamer!!!1111) back this up, by the way. All official information points to Super Ultimate being a classification of Ultimate, specifically Ultimate Digimon that evolved with the Super Ultimate Digimental. Shining Celebi 06:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

As I had explained earlier, the extreme paucity of Armor and Super Ultimate Digimon would make it wasteful to signify them as separate in the original card game, as it would have required extra scoring boxes. That being said, in later games the levels were introduced.

Also, while the anime may say its an alternative means to reach a higher power level, it is clearly given its own level signifier, and which power level it equates to actually varies throughout the games (In Dawn and Dusk, it is considered equivalent to the Perfect/Ultimate level).Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 08:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Gender

Can someone please help me here? I'm a bit confused, the way I read things, this article contradicts what is being said in at least two other articles, or vice-versa. In the Togemon article, I read it as stating that Togemon is female. In this article, it states that she is a he. Similarily, in the Birdramon and Garudamon articles, it says that Birdramon and Garudamon are also female, in this article it says that these species are male. Can this please be rectified, using reliable sources? Comics 05:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The characters from the anime were considered "female" in personality. Other versions of the same mon will sometimes be of a different gender personality. In other words, a Togemon could be male or female just depending on the writer of the anime, manga, video game, whatever, and then be different for another product. The gender really isn't set in stone. -- Ned Scott 05:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I was just confused a bit by some statements in this article. Comics 07:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Which is to say, those bits about Mimi's Palmon and Sora's Biyomon switching gender need to be removed, because they don't. - Chris McFeely 08:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

i'm removing a good portion of this segement. gender is generally used nowdays as biological characterisic. a man with a women's mindset gender is still male. it may have once meant this, but no more. also, angemon and womon are different species and evolve from different species.i am leaving the part about mindsets alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.141.238 (talk) 03:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Mode Change

I dispute the fact that only Ultimate (Mega in the English dubs) Digimon can Mode Change; at least Lucemon violates that so-called "rule": Lucemon --> "Unknown" --> Lucemon Falldown Mode --> Lucemon Satan Mode/Lucemon Larva Mode. MARQ 23:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)