Talk:Dillard's

Flagship

The Northpark store is still considered a flagship for the Dallas area and the chain as a whole. However, it is not heavily advertised as such because the store does not feature a unique selection as many other department store flagships do. Although the store is VERY upscale, the same merchandise and store experience can be found at other large locations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.194.69.39 (talk) 03:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I reverted the addition of the NorthPark flagship. I understand it is considered a flagship. But I think there may be several flagship stores, such as is the case with Macy's. If Dillard's has, however, officially announced this, please provide a source. Clipper471 04:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

RE Flagship

According to Bill, Alex, and Drew (as in “Bill” William Dillard II; Alex Dillard; and Drew Corbusier/ Family that runs the company) NorthPark Store (716) is referred to as “The Flagship Store” for the company. Dillard’s now has “flagship” stores but store 716 (NorthPark) is “The Flagship Store”. Store 716 became “The Flagship” store for the company in the 1980s. Dillard’s did not start the “flagship” concept until fairly recently in the company’s history. (I think 8 years ago) Actually, the NorthPark location looks nothing like the “flagship” Dillard’s that the company now builds in certain markets. Mike Litchford who is now the District manager in the Fort Worth Division was previously the store manager at store 716 and before him Keith Tidmore was District Manager and also the store manager of store 716. Both of them called store 716 the Flagship Store. I have worked for the company for well over 15 years have personaly heard all the above people called store 716 “The Flagship Store” and not just another “flagship” concept store. The Dillard’s (family) visits the store frequently and store 716 is a testing ground for many new concepts in the company.

Looking at the company as a whole the NorthPark Store 716 is really in a league of its own. For instance there is a Viking Shop on the fourth floor that sells appliances in the 8K to 14K price range. There is a fridge for sale that cost 12K. Store 716 does more sales on a Saturday than several stores can do in a week.

Some History on NorthPark Store 716

Texas was the first state Dillard’s expanded to outside of the company home State of Arkansas. Dillard’s never had a grand “Downtown Flagship” in Arkansas. As the company grew it added more stores in Texas. After Dillard’s took over Joske’s it renovated store 716 and latter expanded it. NorthPark became the company Flagship Store. I do not think it was planned, but rather happen as the company evolved. Dillard’s needed a Flagship and store 716 just happened to fit all the criteria the Dillard’s (family) were looking for.

Also looking at it from a logical perspective it makes sense that the Dillard’s (family) chose NorthPark as “The Flagship” store. Texas has the most stores in the company and is its own District. (District Seven) In Texas and company-wide Dallas Fort Worth is Dillard’s largest market and has the greatest number of stores. The 4 level NorthPark Store is not the largest in the company but still one of the biggest stores in the company and has the most floors if I’m not mistaken. But most importantly is has consistently preformed as the store with the highest sales in the company.

It makes sense that the company’s Flagship Store would be the largest store (in it’s market) with the highest sales in the company in the most saturated market for the company.

In addition to this Fort Worth is the where the regional office is for the Texas Division and it was also the place where Dillard’s built its first modern distribution center in the late 70s. Basically the only thing DFW metro is missing is the actual Dillard’s headquarters.

The only place I think NorthPark is talked about as “The Flagship Store” is in the book Dillard’s made early 1990s about the company’s history. It opens with a Quote from Sam Walton. --Longtime Dillard's Associate 18:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Locations

Can someone explain why it is that we are cataloguing all the closed locations? (Corby 23:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC))

Now that a "current locations" section has been created, I suggest the closed locations be merged into it and then rename the section "current and former locations." Clipper471 22:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Can someone explain to me why any of the current locations should be listed? Caldorwards4 and talked about this on his talk page after he broke it out into a List of article. I can't see any reason why this isn't an indiscriminate collection of information that is better covered by the store locator function on the website. Any reason this shouldn't be deleted?--Chaser T 03:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

This is important information that is nicely organized when compared to Dillard’s site. There is also more information on here about each store than on Dillard’s website. Try finding the square footage of stores, opening date, or what was in a store location before Dillard’s and you will soon see how difficult it is to find. In the list there is space for every store's square footage, opening date and other information to be listed. It is much easier for anyone looking up information on the company to find it here on the site, than to have to spend countless hours on the internet searching for information that they might not find. 020808

I agree that the locations serve the purpose of informing things not otherwise found elsewhere, such as opening and closing of stores, store "swaps" with other retailers, sizes, etc. However, I think the closed locations should be merged into the current locations, and the subheading edited to indicate this merger. Clipper471 04:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I have nominated it for deletion. Someone suggested telling the page's creator about it so they could userfy it and/or copy it offsite. Many, many people have contributed to this list, so this is the next best thing.--Chaser T 12:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I withdrew the nom, though that doesn't necessarily close the AfD. Regards.--Chaser T 03:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

What heppened to the Dillard's page? Does anyone have time to fix it?--020808 19:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The article with the list of stores was deleted at 14:01 on November 15 by RHaworth. Reason given was "reposted listcruft - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dillard's locations." I've deleted the link to the article from this one. Clipper471 15:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, after a lot of time to enter and update the locations, I realize the list (as was noted) is way too long. The former locations is something more valuable since the information can't be found very easily. Likewise, the current locations can be found with the store locator at the Dillard's website. So I've put the former locations back and have removed the current locations. I've also added a separate future locations list, since this too cannot be found at the Dillard's store locator. Clipper471 23:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Solved! Using the hidden template solves the longness of the article. Clipper471 06:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Disputed

With the shrinking department store business, it is no longer accurate to assume Dillard's is above another department store. All traditional department stores (Kohl's, Penney's, Macy's) compete for the same dollar. --Write On 1983 02:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

If so, please cite. Clipper471 03:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

This article provides information that depicts Macy's is on target now with Kohl's and J.C. Penney. Pgh Post-Gazette: Shoppers show they're starting to accept Macy's

I'm not disputing that Macy's ONCE was above Penney's and Sear's. It was once an exclusive retailer, only available in some cities across the nation. But, with the merger with MayCo, Macy's has expanded its brand name and, thus, weakened its upscale nature.

This article from the Boston Globe mentions Macy's as a middle-income retailer that's trying to attract upscale shoppers. Boston.com: Is middle-market Macy's ready to go uptown?

That same article then goes onto say, "Still, sales at existing Federated stores lag behind some of its competitors, including Kohl's and Nordstrom." So Macy's is unique in its position of attracting shoppers from all lifestyles.

The wording of the statement needs to be more clear, given the nature of department stores. --Write On 1983 04:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Price level wise, where does Dillard's stand with its competition? Clipper471 04:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's just one example - Dillard's offers CK's Eternity for Men for $15-$55 online. Kohl's offers it for $13-$52 online. In brick and mortar stores, those prices might be identical, as prices usually differ online. But, overall, the two stores share similar prices. --Write On 1983 04:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the largest store the combined square footage of Dillard's North and Dillard's South in the Oak Park Mall in Overland Park, Kansas? The two anchor areas are over 400,000 square feet of Dillard's retail space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.40.124 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

MSA's

Can we please remove the MSA's? It's really confusing for adding locations to the list - it's a real hassle to have to look up what MSA a town is in. TenPoundHammer 03:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

List

Apparently, someone keeps forgetting that when you use a <small> tag, you're supposed to put </small> where you want the small text to end! Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Actions • Words)))} 11:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Unreferenced criticism

I just undid a recently added paragraph that indicated that Dillards received "worst" ratings in 2006 from Forbes and the NAACP. This is unreferenced. I have been unable to find a Forbes reference. The NAACP reference is here — where it is noted that Dillards received an "F" - for failing to respond to the survey on which the grades of other stores were based. Therefore the statement about the NAACP rating is misleading. — ERcheck (talk) 23:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Competitors

The lede is a summary of the article's text body, I removed the sentence regarding competitors from the lede as this does not appear in the text body. This seems to be a hot button issue (as to the number of edits in the last 24 hours). IMO, comparing this department store against its competitors seems to be a waste of time, as competition changes and it just depends on what source you look at as to who competes with this chain. Discuss the issue here and maybe a consensus may be made as to whether or not to include competitors in the text body and summarized in the lede. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 21:35, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

See my reply at Talk:Nordstrom. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:59, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Stevietheman, you are correct, this issue is also being discussed at Talk:Nordstrom, so lets discuss the issue there. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 02:26, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Upscale?

Are there actually any hard reliable sources that can back up whether Dillard's, the run-of-the-mill department store we see in our malls, is "upscale" that are above reproach and not just superficial marketing? Neither of the cites used so far seem authoritative. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Dillard's is a department store. Adding the word "upscale" to describe the department store in the lede's first sentence is puffery. I believe there seems to be a deviation from what the encyclopedia actually is and the desire & mission of one editor to elevate particular department stores to higher or lower status' based on original research with peacock terms and unnecessary one sentence comparisons to other department stores in the lede without any information in the body of the article's text. Forgotten, to this one editor, is the reader who does not want a specific point of view pushed on them - and the enclopedia's policies & guidelines & manual of style. Expanding the article with well-written source-based facts to improve the article is much harder than adding one word or a sentence in the lede. Cheers Gmcbjames (talk) 17:42, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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