Talk:Dillegrout

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:48, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that William the Conqueror gave his cook a manor on the condition he and his descendants serve dillegrout at every English coronation in perpetuity? Source: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=isbn:9781861897749 "the royal cook prepared a soup that pleased the royal couple so much that the kind presented him with the manor, on the condition this his descendants present the dish at future coronations in perpetuity."
  • ALT1:... that dillegrout was so delicious, it earned the cook a manor, but to keep it he and his descendants had to serve it at every future coronation of England? Source: same as ALT0
  • ALT2:... ... that it required a procession of 32, including three on horseback, for dillegrout to be served to the king of England? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=zvdVAAAAYAAJ&ppis=_e&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false "The first dish of hot meat is now brought into the hall preceded by two clerks controllers, two clerks of the green cloth, the Master of the Household, the Cofferer, six sergeants-at-arms, the Lord High Steward, with the Earl Marshall on his left, and the High Constable on his right hand. These three dignitaries are on horseback. They are followed by six sergeants-at-arms, then by the Comptroller of the Household, and the Treasurer of the Household, the Assistant to the Queen's Sewer and the Queen's Sewer, the Assistant to the King's Sewer and the King's Sewer. The course of meat is carried either by Gentlemen Pensioners two and two, or, as is more proper, by the new made Knights of the Bath. After them comes the Lord of the manor of Addington carrying the "mess called dillegrout," and the procession is ended by two clerks of the kitchen."

• Reviewed: Deans Cottage

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

Interesting story and mysterious dish, on good sourcs (love the title of #10 which is longer than permitted in a DYK hook ...), no copyvio obvious. I have my problems with ALT2 and the article, because the grand procession is for a meat course, and no description ever mentions meat. Am I blind? - The others made me click eventually, but in the original, the bolded article comes late, and readers bored by the times of the Conqueror will never get there, and ALT1 has this "delicious" - but who knows? How about just the first sentence of the lead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Whoops sorry Gerda Arendt, I didn't see this go past on my watchlist! Thanks for starting review. The second-to-last sentence describing the procession begins with "The course of meat is carried either by..." I thought "delicious" was supported by "a soup that pleased the royal couple so much" that they wanted it served at every future event? --valereee (talk) 14:12, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

"Delicious" taken. I understand it's a milky sweet soup, not a meat dich, - what did I miss? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's right, a milky sweet chicken soup which is presented in the same procession as the meat dish. The lord of the manor of Addington is following the Gentlemen Pensioners two and two, or, as is more proper, the new made Knights of the Bath, who are carrying the meat. :D --valereee (talk) 14:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Fine, I see that I failed to read the ref to the end, - and I think to say it requires all these folks for the soup alone would be wrong, which leaves us with ALT1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing, Gerda! --valereee (talk) 23:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Modern Recipe?

C'mon, with so prestigious a dish, there has to be a more precise recipe in modern English available. How can we get it? JKeck (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

JKeck, I wasn't able to find anything. Realize it hasn't been served in 200 years. —valereee (talk) 23:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)