Talk:Dion DiMucci

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Noooo, please don't merge it with the Belmonts. Dion was a distinct individual and a good person. He broke away from the Belmonts and made a name for himself. I'd prefer the page just be developed as is. Thanks for inviting input! Myra—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.151.42.58 (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

This should NOT be merged with The Belmonts article. Along with the entities of The Belmonts and "Dion and the Belmonts", Dion is a separate subject. It should just be clear where the overlaps were. More information from The Belmonts article could be moved into the "Dion and the Belmonts" article. Not differentiating them properly is a common mistake these decades later. In fact I think it was a mistake of someone to redirect Dion and the Belmonts to The Belmonts some time ago. George Slivinsky 15:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Dion left the Belmonts in the early 60's and has since recorded many many albums and toured as a solo artist. There has been the occasional "reunion" shows but by all means, he has long demonstrated notability on his own. --Oakshade 18:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

No, keep it seperate, as they were seperate entities. Except when recording together, they both had their own paths.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.213.59 (talk) 00:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely Not. Dion's solo career spans 45+ years. The Belmonts shared the marquee for less than 3 years. It would be like suggesting that this article be retitled "Dion & the Little Kings" simply because he performed with them in the early 2000s. Cheap Karaoke CDs often mislabel Dion solo material as "Dion & The Belmonts" -- don't let Wikipedia join that rabble!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.191.113 (talk) 02:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• I am strongly opposed to merging this article. Dion is too prolific a solo artist for that. He is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the rest of the Belmonts are not; furthermore, his most famous song, "Runaround Sue" which was a #1 hit, was recorded a full year after their split.Chuchunezumi 18:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I protest the merger of Dion merging with The Belmonts. Dion had a lot more hits as a solo artist than with The Belmonts. And he's still recording in the 21st Century. Sandmandreams 14:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Apparently the correct name is: "Dion and the Belmonts", not the Belmonts. However, Dion the solo act or person is as, if not more than, significant. Fore mostly, he is inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame as Dion. 14.11, 19 Febuary 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.140.132 (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

"Critically acclaimed"?

All of his later work appears to be "critically acclaimed" and commercially unsuccessful. Anyone have citations from notable sources for all of this critical acclaim? If not, I'm going to go ahead and take them out of the article. --Vaudedoc (talk) 03:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yo Frankie

I think more is needed on the Yo Frankie album. It received more critical than sales success, but it's roll call - coming after the Hall of Fame induction - in itself justifies a better mention:

- Dave Edmunds

- Bryan Adams

- k.d. lang

- Lou Reed

- Paul Simon

- Patti Smith

- Mark Lennon

- Chuck Leavell

- Jim Horn

Anyone agree on this? --Vvmodel (talk) 16:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm a reader not an editor but I saw a fact in this article that I think is inaccurate. Dion was not the first rock and roll artist signed to Columbia Records. The Collins Kids were on Columbia from 1955 to 1959, releasing at least 13 singles (see http://els51.law.emory.edu/rcs/artists/c/coll8200.htm) during that time. The Collins Kids were probably overlooked at the time for being either a juvenile act or more country than rock/pop, but in retrospect they were clearly rock and roll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by P20029 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Many of the references to the Collins Kids type them as rockabilly. I'm not sure how particular folks want to be on this, but rockabilly, while related to rock and roll, is it's own genre much like folk rock or country rock. Arguments could be made that Dion was not specifically rock as he blended do-wop and soul elements into his performances. The whole question is perhaps a nit not worth picking (although I'm certain some will).THX1136 (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I would add, on further searching, that it is mentioned - even here on Wikipedia - that they were known for doing children's songs at the outset of their career. Since rock and roll was performed, perhaps, later on it is likely the reason they were not considered RnR when signed. This also would account for the claim about Dion since he was doing RnR oriented music from the start of his career. Just my 2 cents.THX1136 (talk) 01:59, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

"Mature" period?

Any critical sources agreeing that the two decade period from 1969 on was a period of "mature" music from Dion? This appears to be a PoV assessment on the part of a previous editor. Any sources claiming that this period was marked by music that was not just "different" or "more contemplative" but "evolved," "fully grown," or "worked out fully?" (Definitions of "mature.") The article, as it stands, is marked by a laudatory tone in which Dion was first great (because he sold a lot of records and was a star) and then later great (because his work was "mature" and received anonymous "critical acclaim"), even though few were buying the recordings. So... citations from acknowledged critical sources? --Vaudedoc (talk) 12:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit: "the first rock-n-roll artist ever signed to Columbia Records" - deleted

"the first rock-n-roll artist ever signed to Columbia Records" Just a simple search will follow one to the names like Collins Kids (strictly rock-n-roll output), Johnny Horton (several rock-n-roll gems), Marty Robbins (a few rock-n-roll singles), not to mention lesser known bands and solo artists signed and recorded for Columbia in 50's. There are 3 CDs on Bear Family Records in That'll Flat...Git It! dedicated to Columbia rockabilly recordings. So I concern the above-mentioned statement "the first ever" as untrue, and deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.247.148 (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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Transition: Dion's Abraham, Martin, and John captured the transition from Joyful (Rock and Roll Freedom) to Sorrowful (Rythum and Blues) as Prophesied by Our Lady of Fatima in 1917. We are in the 100 year anniversary with a bold face liar on the freedom throne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Abraham, Martn, and John is an Angelic Transition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.252.113 (talk) 05:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Need to add 2017 album Kickin' Child: The Lost Album 1965 to table

I just added a sentence in the Most Recent Work 2000s 2010s section about the album released May 2017 by Dion of unreleased 1965 recordings. The album is called Kickin' Child: The Lost Album 1965. The songs are listed in the article by Billboard, cited as a reference. The album was mentioned by NPR interviewer Terry Gross in her show of May 29, 2017, where she replayed an interview with Dion from 2000, and mentioned the new album just released. --Prairieplant (talk) 05:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Dion DiMucci discography

• Support split - Discography takes up more than one quarter of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled Dion DiMucci discography. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support split. Certainly warrants separate article - only surprise is that it wasn't done earlier. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support - as above. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 17 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 19:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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Dion DiMucci → Dion (singer) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, Dion's last name, DiMucci, is not used in his music releases and he is known mononymously as just simply "Dion". JE98 (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)—Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Not a WP:NATURALDIS in order to avoid the use of a parenthetical qualifier. Otherwise, the article delineating Madonna (entertainer) would carry the main title header Madonna Ciccone and the one for Prince (musician) would be Prince Rogers Nelson. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment: The difference between Dion and Madonna is that a number of Dion's singles and albums - mainly, but not exclusively I think in the 1960s - were credited to Dion DiMucci (or DiMuci - a mis-spelling). His surname has always been well-known - though on the face of it the move proposal does seem reasonable. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose He was known by his full name for several years in the 80s. His website is even at his full name: http://diondimucci.com/home/ . Since there is already a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC at Dion, it makes sense that the disambiguator should be his family name, but the proposed target could be a redirect here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Also, even AllMusic has an entry at his full name https://www.allmusic.com/artist/dion-dimucci-mn0000165243/discography although it is not the subject's primary entry there https://www.allmusic.com/artist/dion-mn0000265456. Agree that his family name was well know unlike the examples above. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - majority of the journalistic sources used make sure to reference his full name. In contrast, media about Madonna does not. That's what makes one a WP:MONONYM and the other not. -- Netoholic @ 18:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose, at least for now, on a WP:TITLECHANGES basis – don't move articles without very good reasons. The fact that he goes by Dion DiMucci at his own website probably makes this a WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:BLP and MOS:IDENTITY matter, too; it's not WP's job tell him what his own name is (and it's close enough that confusion isn't likely to result, as it might with Cat Stevens AKA Yusuf Islam AKA Yusuf AKA Steven Georgiou – probably 99% of readers know him only as Cat Stevens). Remember that WP:COMMONNAME is not one of the WP:CRITERIA at all; it is simply the first choice to test against the actual criteria and against all other applicable policies and guidelines. In a case like this, I think ABOUTSELF matters a lot more than it would in a case like Stevens/Islam, because there is much less of a WP:RECOGNIZABLE concern for former. That said, how consistently he bills himself as Dion DiMucci would matter; has anyone researched this?

  As with Ghmyrtle, I don't find the Madonna comparison apt; it's not a strong analogy. I don't think the average person closely familiar with Madonna's work knows her birth surname is Ciccone, and she doesn't publicly use it. Similarly, though you can dig up their surnames in copyright fine print and such, most listeners who know the material well enough to sing along to it would not recognize the full names Dido Armstrong (Dido (singer)), or Kesha Sebert (Kesha (singer)). But there's a much better chance that people who know Dion's work know he is Dion DiMucci. Anyway, we can't be 100% WP:CONSISTENT in such matters, because the underlying cases differ so much in their details. We have an article at Sean Combs because the name is actually used pretty often and is well known, and the stage name keeps changing (Puff Daddy, P. Diddy, Puffy, and now Diddy). We have an article named John Mellencamp because he pretty much successfully and gradually abandoned his stage name John Cougar, becoming John Cougar Mellencamp for an album or two and then just John Mellencamp ever after, and sources seem to have gone along with it. In the case of Utada Hikaru, she was going (in English) by Utada, Hikaru Utada, and Utada Hikaru pretty randomly (it seemed mostly to do with what her labels during any give span wanted to put on the album covers they were were releasing), and we had to really pore over her releases, her statements about her name, what the media were doing, etc., to arrive at the current title (which also had much to do with ABOUTSELF).
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• Comment it is interesting to discuss this move because when typing just Dion in google search, many sources tend to go with Celine Dion instead of DiMucci. So i oppose this page to move unless the singer needs to differentiate with Celine Dion, which also known as Dion. 36.77.95.159 (talk) 07:48, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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In the Still of the Night

People are going to be very confused. I found a source which correctly stated that Dion and the Belmonts performed "In the Still of the Night" by Cole Porter. A Youtube video correctly states that this is the case. However, Dion by himself performed "In the Still of the Night" by Fred Parris. A Youtube video shows this version although it says "Dion and the Belmonts" in the Google search results below the link itself.

This problem affects several articles.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused. Does that affect this article, or other articles... and, if so, which? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

If you can tell me where to post this, that would be nice. The songs' articles are affected, and I checked Dion and the Belmonts which has the wrong information.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Dion DiMucci discography only mentions one of the songs. That doesn't help. But unlike Dion and the Belmonts before I fixed it, at least that list had the correct song listed under Dion and the Belmonts.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Actually, what if the article I corrected had it right and the list was wrong? If this can be considered a reliable source, I think I'm fine.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

It may be better to link to the actual label image - here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

So what you're saying is use that link as a source on Dion and the Belmonts and In the Still of the Night (Cole Porter song)?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

If you like. I can't see where the link would be in the first article, so I'll leave it up to you. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

The Day The Music Died

This page only describes Dion's story of who was chosen to ride on the fateful 1959 plane crash with Buddy Holly, which is not the story most accepted by historians, or virtually anyone else. Waylon Jennings, in this interview stated in 1987 that it was he & Tommy Allsup who were given the seats by Buddy initally, and that Waylon willingly gave his seat to the ailing Big Bopper & that Allsup flipped Valens for his seat, and virtually every account of this story echoes his claim, which is exactly as presented in the 1978 Buddy Holly Story movie. Dion is never mentioned as being a recipient of a plane seat. I can't find a credible source OTHER than Dion himself that says Dion's account is factual. I propose that the article be edited to account for this lack of sourcing & also list the accepted account of what really happened. Just because this is an article about Dion doesn't mean that only his POV should be listed especially since virtually the entire planet (outside of Dion's fans) says Dion's account is not true.PhilMaglassup (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The Day the Music Died#Flight arrangements covers both versions of what happened. It would be appropriate to attribute the claim in this article by adding "According to Dion". Schazjmd (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Personal life

Please stop being disruptive and reverting edits. Per the section i created and clarified: [1] (not everyone reads entire articles) 137.27.65.235 (talk) 05:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

'Dion' is a nickname for Dionysius

It might be helpful to give some explanation in the Early Life section about the name he was given. There are boys who use 'Dion' as a nickname for Dionysius. And that's a form of the name of the Greek god Dionysus, who is basically the god of wine and partying.

Dionysus is akin to Diana, the complement to Apollo, being Moon & Sun deities, respectively. Both being siblings. In more broad terms, Apollo represents Order, with Diana representing Chaos. Apollo is the god of music.

So for a person who is given the name Dion, it can be helpful to know the deeper Greek roots of this name's meaning. The ideal would be to learn what his parents' intention was in choosing that name. And also what his name means to him himself. -- Concord19 (talk) 01:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to this article: more about Dion's family background and ancestry; where in Italy did his ancestors come from before they settled in the United States? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

We should add such information if it's both relevant to this article, and if it has been reported in reliable sources. I'm not sure that either of those apply, and available sources simply state that Dion's father, Pasquale DiMucci, was born in the U.S. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:46, 1 August 2023 (UTC)