Talk:Discrimination based on skin tone/Archive 2

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Colourism

Bbnmb 2402:3A80:1CBB:B572:7766:D93B:1DED:643E (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Intro to Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies-17

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 February 2023 and 19 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Elsafishman (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Devon Jin (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Absurd paragraph

There is an utterly absurd paragraph under the 'Worldwide' heading which seems like vandalism. I removed it, but my edit was inexplicably undone. Can anyone please explain why?

The paragraph opens with the claim that racism "affects almost every aspect of people's daily lives". This ridiculous claim is saying that in most counties around the world, the MAJORITY race is at a great disadvantage to its minorities. In monoethnic countries like Japan where maybe 0.1% of the population is white, the article claims that those 0.1% of white people are at a huge advantage over the 98% majority of Japanese race.

The only reference given to back up this claim is a WESTERN paper written in the UK which, by its own description is explicitly NOT about worldwide race, but about its own society (the UK is 75% white).

The paragraph goes on to claim that 'people of color' are at a worldwide disadvantage, yet the sole reference given has nothing at all to do with worldwide perceptions of 'people of color'. The article is about, quote "ETHNIC MINORITIES". Read the paper and it states this clearly. People of color are NOT ethnic minorities in most of the world, only in countries such as the UK, which this paper is about.

This paragraph is therefore both illogical, and promoting original research which is not based on any actual data, studies or published papers. It is nonsense. Explain to me why it is allowed in this article? Or is this an encyclopedia for people who reject logic and facts, and instead prefer to promote some kind of shared ideological fantasy? Grand Dizzy (talk) 13:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The above comment seems to be correct in substance, if unnecessarily hyperbolic. The source cited cannot legitimately be cited for statements about racism 'worldwide'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: African American Studies

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2023 and 4 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Gymshark4321, Strawberries30 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Tjuadiv2023, Studenteditor03, Dreamer Jr., Dvc02.

— Assignment last updated by Studenteditor03 (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Skin-tone preference in Asia has nothing to do with colorism

Colorism assigns privileges based on skin tone: "Your skin is white! You should get the job!" In Asia, this is definitely not the case. What we have is skin-tone preference. People prefer non-tanned skin, as tanning has historically been associated with manual labor. If your skin is inborn darker, as with Indians, we completely ignore it. For example, you would expect Indians in Malaysia to occupy the lowest structure of society if Malaysians practice "colorism" since their skin color is darker than Malays and Chinese. However, Indians are amongst the highest earners. They earn far more than Malays and boast many billionaires (Ananda Krishnan, Syed Mokhtar Albukhary, etc. see List of Malaysians of Indian descent). Singapore would also never have figures like Vivian Balakrishnan, S.R. Nathan, and Kishore Mahbubani if we judge competence based on skin color. SMH2023s (talk) 05:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with your observations and I think the article steers way too far off topic with the obsessive focus on skin creams, especially from an Indian or African American POV. I would also like to add that many people in East Asia embrace tanned skin (as is mentioned in the China section). It's not as lopsided as some foreigners seem to think it is and I'm glad the article talks about the tan obsession in the West. 2600:100C:B00A:4F4C:F5B3:FAA9:6D08:FC47 (talk) 04:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Could not agree with this. Just because people with darker skin are not outright separated from society does not mean that they are not systematically looked down upon for many things that consider their face and body (ex: marriage, modelling, jobs that involve making an impression on potential local and intl. clients). I am speaking as a lightish-skin person from Bangladesh. Aspweb (talk) 09:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)