Talk:Disney English

Criticism Section?

I feel that the quote doesn't warrant the real estate given to it. It's obvious the speaker speaks english as a second language and that "brain washing" carries more weight in western thought than intended. If the school existed to brainwash children to buy disney products alone it would not survive. They are revolutionizing private english language learning by learning by doing and experiance in a country that practices memorization and stifles creativity because of it and the only quote on the page is about "brainwashing"? That seems a little sesationalistic. EssPea (talk) 05:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I've added the section back; the quote is credible. Feel free to add other quotes if you feel the article is incomplete; but why should we hide criticisms just because we disagree with them? Klalkity (talk) 23:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

The criticism section is sourced and should be kept in order to keep a WP:NPOV. You are welcome to suggest revisions to the criticism section, but please do not remove it....that is vandalism and you will be reverted/blocked.Smallman12q (talk) 03:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

That's precisely why the quote should be removed, it's not WP:NPOV, at all. It's not vandalism to remove a quote from a lay person with no relevant education or experience making an unfounded claim. The source of the quote is an investment banker. There's also the point that the quote is just false, that's not any sort of debate. Hate DE or love them, they don't brain wash but instead used a dual channel cognitivist approach regarding language acquisition, as does pretty much all the major chains such as Sesame Street English and E-Blocks. The quote should of course be removed, as per wiki guidelines, since the quote is false and made by someone wholly unqualified to make such as assertion. Don't threaten editors, especially when you're clearly in the wrong. Maxxx12345 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Tone

This article reads like it was written by Disney English, almost like a sales brochure. Specifically, the part about small class sizes and how each student receives individual attention. Can we neutralize this? --216.131.118.97 (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Be_bold Klalkity (talk) 23:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Need Better References

Almost all of the information here comes directly from the company itself, through its website, or through information it said directly to a journalist. For instance, the Teacher's College lady, her name is not on the Teacher's College page, in fact none of these people have WP entries. Would be nice to get some source for who they are outside of Disney English's own word. Klalkity (talk) 07:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Should parts be edited to reflect more skepticism? Instead of "DE uses a method that ..." should it be "DE says it uses a method that ..."? There are no independent sources for these claims; there are only independent sources that say DE said this. I cannot find any reliable third parties talking about what DE actually does that don't appear to be directly from DE. Perhaps all of these claims should just be deleted, or rephrased as DE says? Klalkity (talk) 23:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Unless there's evidence to the contrary in reliable sources, if a reliable source quotes them...that can be used as a "fact" rather than "claim." It's strange that there's virtually no coverage of this in any academic papers in English. Perhaps there's more coverage of this in Chinese?Smallman12q (talk) 23:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll give you an example of what concerns me. The marketing/pr/hr info that seems to be behind virtually all of the sources and quotes I've found frequently describes things as "immersive", but when I look at language immersion it says that language immersion needs to be every other day to be effective and involves teaching something using English (presumably, not English itself). I can't find a source saying directly that DE doesn't do these things, but it doesn't really appear to be so, so then is it immersive? Klalkity (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think they meant language immersion...rather they create an " immersive environment" with all the disney stuff. It's described as "Disney Immersive Storytelling Approach", though their site [1] doesn't really elaborate. The whole thing is really a form of immersive advertising and it's disappointing there isn't more coverage of the topic. I'd like to write a longer and more thorough article, but the coverage isn't there=(. Smallman12q (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking. Better to take it out, even though it's a big part of what they say? Or put a note about what they say and mention that it's not clear what they mean, but that they must not mean language immersion. I really thought they meant immersion because the teacher(s) speak English; don't you think that's what they mean? Is there a source for that being called "immersive" etc.? Klalkity (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll fix up the article after thanksgiving. It's not language immersion...it's called "Disney Immersive Storytelling Approach" so it's about creating an immersive environment. Unfortunately, I haven't found any papers describing their approach. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 23:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I've rewritten the lead. Let me know what you think.Smallman12q (talk) 15:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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