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Animator, Mark Henn

Something interesting about the Disney Princesses: all of the modern Princesses, including Tiana, are animated by the same guy, Mark Henn (although he was not the only supervising animator on the first two). You will notice if you watch Jasmine and Mulan, especially, they have a very similar fluid way of moving. There's a stub on EW.com about him here: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,312564,00.html

This information might be added to the "similarities" section, but it really is about their branding. These characters have always been considered similar, that's why they were repeatedly given to the same artist. I'm not sure if this fits into this article though?

There's also an interesting opinion piece in AWN in response to Peggy Orenstein's criticism that might belong in the links section? Link here: http://mag.awn.com/index.php?article_no=3510 Jancola (talk) 22:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

sounds good an interesting! want to write a section? Small5th (talk) 01:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The Scottish Princess

After observing all these edit wars...I agree that we cannot keep putting down "Merida" as the name of the princess IF there is no citing. Until Pixar officially announces the movie we have no right to spout off wrong information. I ask these edits to cease otherwise if a moderator can place a block on this article Small5th (talk) 05:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. People are merely making assumptions from the earlier (and current cite) and trying to tie it into the recent animation announcement that is not cited on this page. The problem is that the recent announcement did not offer any information that is usable as a citation on this page that supports the earlier comment. As we've seen with Giselle, plans have and can go awry.SpikeJones (talk) 12:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I definitely don't think that "Merida" should be put on the 'announced' Disney Princess list. There's no citations and given that it's a Pixar movie, it's not even precedented to guess that she'll be a Disney Princess. Hollerama (talk) 14 June 2008 (UTC)

WAKE UP what the hell are you talking about its been comfirmed already it has its own article The Bear and the Bow it'll be produced by Pixar Animation Studios it will be distributed by Walt Disney Pictures, and is scheduled for release around Christmas 2011 Reese Witherspoon will play Princess Merida IT HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE ADDED HERE.Veggiegirl (talk) 03:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

No, it does not. Just because Merida is a princess doesn't mean that she's part of the Disney Princess franchise; what the other editors here are pointing out that Disney has not released any official statements that she'll be included in that franchise. The article you listed as a reference just talks about the movie itself, and not the inclusion of the character as an "official" part of the Disney Princess franchise. Sorry for being repetitive about the word franchise, but I think it's important to keep things clear. And by the way, Veggiegirl, you might want to refer to WP:CIVILITY regarding how you address your fellow Wikipedia editors. :) --SilentAria ^talk 05:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

There was a live webcast (http://corporate.disney.go.com/investors/earnings.html), and during the webcast Bob Iger mentioned that Pixar's own Princess Merida from The Bear and the Bow will be incorporated into the franchise. :) 76.175.116.65 (talk) 23:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

timestamp, please? SpikeJones (talk) 23:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is an article from PixarPlanet[[1]] that might help. And then here [[2]] is the article that it is refering to and might be what you are looking for SpikeJones. I know on Wikipedia we are not supposed to put our own opinion into the discussion, but in my opinion I don't see why we can't just wait for another year or so until Pixar has developed the movie more. Jashack (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Madagascar Princess

We seem to have some kid making constant vandalism adding the Madagascar princess...when Madagascar isn't even Disney. I suggest we put a ban on people making edits without usernames. Anyone know how to do that? Small5th (talk) 05:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Comparisons

I originally contributed to the "Comparisons" section years ago, but now it's getting out of control and the entire section is uncited. Plus it's getting ridiculous that some of the points are people saying "except for...four of the princesses." I hate to say it, but since it is uncited and it's been tagged for half of year, then I suggest we axe the whole section and throw it out. Anybody else have any thoughts on it? Small5th (talk) 03:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section

I am aware a non registered user recently deleted the trivia section...and to be honest I do agree with that deletion. This trivia section sprang out of nowhere and has absolutely no citations whatsoever. That added to the fact Trivia sections are heavily discouraged in wikipedia I think the whole thing should be thrown out. I can foresee it getting as bad as the Comparisons section did. Small5th (talk) 04:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I've deleted the trivia section. It's unencyclopedic, full of biased views, and has no sourcing whatsoever. Nemeses9 (talk) 06:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed

Resolved

I removed the fallowing paragraph from the Guest Princesses section.I'm putting it here on the off chance it has a legitimate reason for being there: *Status: Bloom, Status: Layla, Status: Stella, Status: Musa, Status: Tecna, Status: Flora, and the other senior fairies in the DreamWorks' Winx Club direct-to-video, Winx Club: The Island of Crystal Skull, featuring Jake T. Austin, Dylan and Cole Sprouse, Alex Wolff, Vanessa Hudgens, Monique Coleman, Ashley Tisdale, Emily Osment, Brenda Song, Miley Cyrus, Frank Oz (as Yoda), Laurence Fishburne, Gina Torres, Kathleen Herles, Temuera Morrison (as the Clone Commando), Kenny Baker as R2-D2, Anthony Daniels as C-3PO, Christopher Lee as Count Dooku, Matthew Wood as General Grievous, and the Trade Federation Army. 70.146.56.112 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I struck your item as it has no reason to be listed here, considering it is for a non-Disney production. SpikeJones (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

A Goofy Movie

What about Roxanne from a Goofy Movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.179.76 (talk) 18:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

• I don't think you should add that because she is not a princess :) EvilWendyMan 23:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Jane from Tarzan

Shouldn't Jane be included as a princess since Tarzan is the king of the forest? Megara too should definitely be considered a princess. --189.122.13.117 (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

This page is about the Disney Princess merchandising and marketing program, of which Jane and Megara are not a part of. This page is not about every Disney character that could be considered a princess. SpikeJones (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, Belle isn't any princess. Mikelieman (talk) 05:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Belle is a princess she married a prince--AzulaLover (talk) 21:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC).

Jasmine in 358/2 Days

I tried adding the fact that Jasmine is in 358/2 Days, but it was removed. Here is a source: http://www.khinsider.com/images/vjumpfeb/4.png . As I'm not familiar with citations, if it is possible, can someone add this information into the "Kingdom Hearts" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pianoajd (talk • contribs) 03:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know Mulan and Pocahontas were Princesses!

Oh well...that's cool. haha! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkymonkey987 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

For certain, in the film Mulan is not. Pocahantas was the daughter of the chief, so she's technically a princess. I'm pretty sure that Mulan's father was just a Lord, and that she's not in any way related to the emperor. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 20:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

They are part of the franchise, therefore they are listed. Their roles in the film is inconsequential to the name of the franchise this article is about. SpikeJones (talk) 17:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Under "Announced Disney Princesses" some racist changed Tiana's name to Oprah. It's been changed back, but I thought it should be noted in case it happens again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.124.176 (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Belle

How is Belle a princess? She was a kid from rural France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.29.19.60 (talk) 06:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

She married a prince. Powers ^T 13:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

And if you're looking for a real-world answer to your question, see Princess Diana. SpikeJones (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Mentioning Eilonwy and Kida

Rather than revert yet again, I'd like to discuss this. What, exactly, is the problem with mentioning a couple of princesses who are not included in the Disney Princess franchise, in the middle of a paragraph of discussion about how the franchise characters were not chosen specifically for their royal titles? Powers ^T 19:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought it was a good comparison as opposed to Megara or Jane who did not have "princess" in their title. User:SandSan ^T 5:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph about the inclusion of "mythological" princesses and the exclusion of Tinkerbell is taken from the sourced NYT article, quoting a Disney spokesperson. These other two princesses are not mentioned in the sourced article, so including them seems arbitrary, WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. --Knulclunk (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Let me put it this way. Since Mulan is the only really arguable princess in the franchise, and they insist on this statement then examples shold be included. Looking at female leads in Disney history, you will find several arguable cases (such as the already mentioned Jane and Megara) but almost all princesses with the title have been used. Therefore, the absent princesses should be noted for why they are not included in the franchise, with the fact being they do not meet the requirements of the target market. User:SandSan ^T 11:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

IF we are to include specific examples of characters that are excluded from the line, then such information MUST be cited as such. Otherwise, mere observation of "so-and-so is not in the line even though they are a princess" still falls under WP:OR. Otherwise, this article would contain a list of hundreds (exaggeration) of characters that also are not included in the merch line for various uncited reasons. Take, for example, the section dealing with Princess Giselle. She is a princess, but her non-inclusion is explicitly explained/documented/cited. SpikeJones (talk) 14:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, in the end, all that matters are the characters that disney includes in the franchise, being they princess or not. For instance, Mulan is not a princess, but I guess she was added to be an asian representative in the group. On the other hand, Kida is, actually, a real princess, but she was not included in the franchise, maybe because Atlantis was not that much of a big hit. And Giselle, we all know, was removed because they would have to pay royalties to Amy Adams. All the others (Megara, Esmeralda, Jane, etc) are not princess and also not included, but I guess Disney would have included them if they have considered it worthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.82.134.159 (talk) 01:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Tiana: Current or upcoming roster?

The official Disney Princess website now features Tiana. Does this mean we should add her to the official roster or should she still be in the "announced" section because she hasn't appeared in merchandising? Akcvtt (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Technically, DCP has had an unveiling of the Tiana doll and some merch at an event 2 months ago. But we should wait until we see it covered/citable to be sure. SpikeJones (talk) 02:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Original Songs ?

I don't just want to take the section out without a discussion, but I think the Original songs section of the article is unnecessary. It's overly long & makes the article look really messy. I think it might make more sense to compile a "Disney Princess Discography" which lists all of the Disney Princess CDs that have come out (similar to the Disney Princess DVD section). Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.6.113 (talk) 05:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. SpikeJones (talk) 22:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

mulan

mulan is not a princess. she is the daughter of a farmer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.167 (talk) 06:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• According to Disney, she belongs to the Disney Princess line (whether or not she is an actual princess) Holly (talk) 07:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

what about

Anastasia not only a fictional character but a real princess.

what about all of Ariel's sisters. Attina Alana Aquata Arista Adella Andrina and their mother Queen Athena and Ariel's daughter Melody

Swan Lake Odette marries Prince Daniel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.167 (talk • contribs)

how about the barbie movies

Barbie in the 12 Dancing Princesses Blair Delia Fallon Courtney Edeline Ashlyn Geneveive Hadley Isla Kathleen Janessa Lacy

Barbie as the Princess and the Pauper Anneliese Erika she marries King Dominick

Barbie as the Island Princess Rosella Luciana

Barbie in the Nutcracker Clara who is the suger plum princess

Barbie and the Magic of Pegasus Annika Brietta —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.167 (talk • contribs)

What about them? Most of them aren't Disney characters. For Ariel's sisters and daughter, they're not part of the official "Disney Princess" franchise for whatever reason. Powers ^T 18:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Esmeralda

I seem to recall an ad that included Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame) among the Princesses. I can't seem to find it at this time. Has anyone seen it or is my memory faulty?Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

She was marketed with the princesses at one time. See Disney official Princess merchandise on the Disney website here. SpikeJones (talk) 03:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think they should re include her. I like Esmeralda.--Splashen (talk) 03:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Rapunzel

Who Removed Rapunzel It has been confirmed that she will be a Disney Princess !

I don't think rapunzel is one of disney princesses,In disney princess website, there is no her picture Lmx940515 (talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmx940515 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The above unsigned comment should be taken seriously. Although Rapunzel was originally announced to become part of the franchise (and the Disney Store's Disney Princess section includes Rapunzel items), other factors indicate she is *NOT* officially part of the franchise, at least not yet:

• Only nine princesses (the original eight plus Tiana, but *NOT* Rapunzel) are shown on the official Disney Princess home page.
• The "Movies" page on that site lists the nine princesses' films, but not Tangled.
• Rapunzel items in stores have "Disney" in white on a pink oval (like the Disney Princess logo)--but *NOT* the word "Princess" below "Disney". (Edit: This in particular suggests a last-minute decision to exclude her from the franchise--though it could have been due to their now-abandoned "no more fairytales" stance, which suggests a possible future reversal. --RBBrittain (talk) 23:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC))

Finally, the mere fact that she is a princess in a Disney animation canon film, even the landmark 50th film, does *NOT* automatically make her a Disney Princess; Princess Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire has *NEVER* been part of the franchise. --RBBrittain (talk) 23:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the above idea, but as we know, Rapunzel is a successful character.Then according to what disney did past years, Disney company will consider her as a disney princess officially soon. Let's wait for that day. Lmx940515 (talk

She will be one on October 2nd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.182.149 (talk • contribs)

Picture

Why is there No picture of the 9 Disney Princesses??

Because someone thinks Rapunzel is one of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmx940515 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

What about Princess Anastasia?

Does she count as a Disney princess or was Anastasia not a Disney film? I could have sworn it was!

-Nina T —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.42.251.79 (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't. SpikeJones (talk) 02:15, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Anastasia is by 20th Century Fox —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.93.215 (talk) 22:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Anastasia is Disney. More specifically she is a character of the third part of Cinderella II. But she isn't a princess. Her husband is a baker who you can learn about by visiting the Disney Wiki at Wikia. Georgia guy (talk) 20:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

That's clearly not the Anastasia being discussed. Powers ^T 21:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed move

To help (hopefully) prevent future confusion over what this page is about, I propose moving this to Disney Princess marketing franchise. Thoughts? SpikeJones (talk) 22:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so...for "Disney Princess" is the title of the franchise itself. Additionally, this page serves as a reference point for many young children...when they search for it they'll search "Disney Princess," rather than a long name such as "Disney Princess marketing franchise." Good suggestion though! Small5th (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Search is not an issue, as we can redirect "Disney Princess" to the more specifically-titled page. SpikeJones (talk) 22:35, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Princess Merida

I know this has been discussed to death all ready, but with Variety reporting that she is expected to join the franchise. Should we add her or wait until after an official announcement from Disney? 66.19.119.85 (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Nobody? Really? 66.19.119.68 (talk) 23:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I guess we wait then... 66.19.119.98 (talk) 12:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it'll be better if we wait until the film is released. It is very likely for the producer's opinions to change before the film is released. Discovermine (talk) 20:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

A reminder: this is not a page about Disney characters who are princesses. This is a page about the marketing franchise. SpikeJones (talk) 04:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Enchanted

Taking into consideration on how wealthy the Disney empire is, I cannot see why they would decide to keep out Giselle from their list of Disney Princesses, just because they would have to pay royalties to Amy Adams for using her likeness. I mean, its not like they would not be able to afford to pay her or anything like that.--Splashen (talk) 03:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps THIS is what the stray comment in the next section was really about. The fact is, the reference DOES indicate that Disney chose to exclude Giselle from the franchise because they would have had to pay royalties to Amy Adams. Whether or not any of us think Disney could afford to do so is irrelevant; none of us is Bob Iger, and that's the decision his company made. End of story. --RBBrittain (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Possibly since Giselle never married the prince she wouldn't qualify as she was never made a princess. Although Mulan never married a prince and still made list. Also Princess Eilonwy from The Black Cauldron is also a princess in a Disney movie as well as Vanellope von Schweetz from Wreck-It-Ralph, but I haven't seen anything about adding them to the lineup. Neemund (talk) 00:13, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Theme Songs

I think we should omit the theme song column in the table at the top of the article. There is no citation for it, and the theme songs are rather subjective. You could say Belle's theme song was Belle (Reprise) or Pocahontas' was Just Around the Riverbend not Something There and Colors of the Wind, respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.119.98 (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a reminder that this page is not a forum to discuss Disney's financial decisions. It is a page to discuss the content within the article itself. Discovermine (talk) 00:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Discovermine, just HOW is the previous item about "Disney's financial decisions" and not "discuss(ing) content within the article"? The point is well-taken; the theme-song list SHOULD have a reference (even if it's just a page on the official website) or else deleted. --RBBrittain (talk) 23:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Two very Disney Princesses; with modest roles, Princess Eilonwy and Princess Tiger Lily

Two very Disney Princesses; with modest roles, Princess Eilonwy and Princess Tiger Lily

Always left out because they are not marketable,

Princess Eilonwy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Eilonwy In the film she is a MAJOR player in a real Disney Cartoon, it's just the film has never been a money maker.

Princess Tiger Lily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Lily_(Peter_Pan)#Tiger_Lily In the film she is a minor player, but, if you can include Pocahontas, she should get minor credit too.

Larry Elie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.2.1.102 (talk) 21:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

As noted on your other comment, neither is part of the marketing franchise (nor is Princess Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire), so they are properly excluded from this article. (Indeed, even the inclusion of Rapunzel in this article is questionable on that basis.) --RBBrittain (talk) 23:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Kida is likely excluded for reasons other than marketability; first, the film is not a musical; all the "official nine" come from musicals. Second, Kida is a nearly-immortal warrior with "blood in her hands", so to speak; it is very strongly implied that she has killed many trespassers in cold blood, something that Disney is not keen on encouraging in young girls. Eilonwy's exclusion is, IMHO, a travesty; she is a primary character in a "canon master" Distey Film and she is indisputably a princess. Tiger Lily is a minor character, so it is easy to see why she is excluded. Another one who is excluded is Megara from Hercules (1997 film), who eventually marries Hercules (who, as the son of the King of the Gods is a prince; actually recognized as such at the end of the film); her exclusion might be due to the fact that it is implied that she is a woman of loose morals, someone who makes bargains with dark gods in exchange for her soul and ends up as the servitor of Hades. Regardless, Disney has the final say in who gets included in the franchise; until us mere mortals can put together a few billion $$'s to buy Disney out, best we can do is write-in-campaigns. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 15:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

According to The Art of Disney Princess this book, Kida and Tiger Lily should be disney princess.Lmx940515 (talk

Two very Disney Princesses; with modest roles, Princess Eilonwy and Princess Tiger Lily

Two very Disney Princesses; with modest roles, Princess Eilonwy and Princess Tiger Lily

Always left out because they are not marketable,

Princess Eilonwy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Eilonwy In the film she is a MAJOR player in a real Disney Cartoon, it's just the film has never been a money maker. The film? The Black Cauldron.

Princess Tiger Lily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Lily_(Peter_Pan)#Tiger_Lily In the film she is a minor player, but, if you can include Pocahontas, she should get minor credit too. The film? Peter Pan.

Larry Elie ldelie@comcast.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.2.1.102 (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Not part of the merchandising franchise, therefore not part of this article. Thanks. SpikeJones (talk) 04:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Rapunzel

Rapunzel is NOT part of the Disney Princess franchise as of February 28, 2011. The problem is that various IPs and newbies keep adding her with no official source stating she is now part of the franchise. I suggest page protection if this problem persists. --LoЯd ۞pεth 08:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

feminist criticism

I wonder wether feminists might've criticised the image of the female gender presented by some (all?) of those characters... The article doesn't seem to mention much of that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.168.243.19 (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Well the right has their own beef and NONE of the actual criticism issues are covered here. To get you started:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2011/0924/Little-girls-or-little-women-The-Disney-princess-effect?google_editors_picks=true from self-objectification to cyberbullying to unhealthy body images. ... and sexualization, which the American Psychological Association (APA) defines in part as the inappropriate imposition of sexuality on children. ... "For young women, what has replaced the feminine mystique is the hottie mystique,"

Etc. Hcobb (talk) 00:31, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

The table

Do we really need the table? The picture at the top already covers that and all it does is take up space. There can still be an "Official Princesses" section, just presented differently (preferably in prose)--GroovySandwich 00:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

the Live Events section

This entire section reads like an advertisement. I would clean it up, but it's too much work for one person and i'm tired as it is. Anyone wanna help me clean it up? SailorSonic —Preceding undated comment added 00:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC).

Anela

In this next hand drawn animated Disney movie, Anela: A Prehistoric Tale, there's another Disney princess, not just ordinary princess, a princess who is brave and strong, her name is Anela. Anela is the princess of the cave clan in the deep, lush rainforests. She has similarities of Ariel (red hair color), Tarzan (dreadlocks hair style, eyes shape, muscles and muscular skin color), Pocahontas (lips), Kida (female body and feet), Nala (adult female talking voice), and Rapunzel (green iris eye color). Her story goes like this for the film: In 1,000,000 B.C, a young woman named Anela, the princess of the cave clan and a daughter of her beloved father, the chief, and comedic mother, the chieftess. Her father marched the path for Anela to the Crystal Mountain. Anela started her mission through the deep rainforest and met a handsome, young man named Kula (who stopped his older brother (Tarzan appeared in this movie, but his name can't be shown or heard) from killing Anela by saving her life after an accidental fight.) joined her to the Crystal Mountian. The great magic blue Crystal Ball of the Crystal Mountain was hidden by a wicked sorceress named Oleiya who stole this magnificent gift to rule the land. Anela and Kula met the Great Creature (a female Apatosaurus) who led the way to the Crystal Mountain to stop Oleiya and bring back the Crystal Ball back.

Before King of the Elves, this upcoming film will be huge sucsess for the Disney Company, and Anela will be either the eleventh or Twelfth Offical Disney princess soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.52.220 (talk) 21:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.131.166 (talk)

What is the source of this information on "Anela"? --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

It's pure fan fiction. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Mulan

Why do people remove Mulan from the official list?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Could be any number of reasons really possibly related to her not having a a crown/princess-like-gowns or being titled princess? Even though Disney regard her as in the canon princess line up the age of some of the fans might make them prone to remove her and others they disagree over or insert ones they think should be in the line up.RafikiSykes (talk) 15:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

There's an HTML comment saying not to add Eilonwy. Can you improve it by adding other unofficial princesses to the comment, as well as saying not to drop Mulan?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:20, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I have expanded the list in the hidden text moved it to the top of the section and added the bit about Mulan.RafikiSykes (talk) 15:42, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Merida

Is there any official confirmation that Merida will be the eleventh Disney princess?? Georgia guy (talk) 13:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Not subservient to a man, therefore can not be an official Dizzy Princess, sorry.

http://www.disgeek.com/is-brave-merida-the-next-disney-princess%E2%84%A2 She needs to get herself a man. Unmarried princesses don’t make the cut.

Therefore there shall never be a Lesbian Disney Princess. (Thank Cthulhu!) Hcobb (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

It's a Pixar production, not an official Disney Animated film and therefore not an official Disney Princess. Freshh (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Merida

There is a new princess, Merida, from the movie Brave. It has been confirmed that she is a Disney princess, so someone needs to add her. -Mallen22 (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

No official statement from Disney proves that she is an official Disney Princess, so for now, we leave her off.Caringtype1 (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Merida seems to officially be a disney princess as she already has a marketing line of dolls and such. Also, in the commercials it does call her Princess Merida.

We should probably incorporate some of the information from Merida (Disney)#Controversy, as it specifically regards the Disney Princess incarnation. Kaldari (talk) 08:45, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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