Talk:Disturbance (BoA song)

Requested move 29 November 2013

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The result of the move request was: Moved to "Geuleon Neo (Disturbance)" instead (non-admin closure) Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 06:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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Disturbance (BoA song) → Disturbance (song) – There is no other article titled "Disturbance" on Wikipedia therefore this article does not require the artist disambiguator. A hatnote leading to Disturbance#Music would suffice. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 13:05, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

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• Support A hatnote will suffice. Since this page was just moved yesterday, I also support moving per BRD. --BDD (talk) 17:22, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
• Support per WP:BRD. Plenty of other songs called disturbance, Disturbance (Drumcell song) could easily produce a notable song article. But all the same in the case WP:BRD. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:50, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I should explain what prompted my move of this single is not just all the other songs that are called "Disturbance", but that the single isn't really called "Disturbance" anyway, it's called '그런 너' (as the single says in BIG LETTERS) geuleon neo something like Kuron No (song), Such as You (song). The English marketing name in tiny print on the cover doesn't even appear in the lyrics - since it is sung in Korean. I realise these English marketing names exist for various reasons, including that Korean transliteration is problematic, but the song we're talking about is not called disturbance. Disturbance would be a word that actually meant disturbance, like soran or something. This single is "Such as You" , and for that reason having (BoA song) is useful to any person wanting to find the BoA song "Such as You". Without BoA finding it is even more difficult, no one would guess "disturbance" was the name, since it has nothing to do with the Korean. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:03, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

On second thoughts Oppose - this is a good move and there should be more like it. These K-Pop and J-Pop English names occupying ambiguated "(song)" slots is nonsensical. Compare Dul Junge Hana (Runaway), a Korean-language song called "Dul-jung-e Hana / One of Two" but indexed with the English marketing name "Runaway" a name that has zero to do with the real song name and most importantly doesn't appear in reliable English sources (because a few fan blogs aside none of these songs do). Is it really serving en.wp's readers who are not all K-pop and J-pop fans, who listen to songs sung in English, to have real songs named Disturbance, Runaway etc hidden by directing all English language songs to very nice large articles on K-pop and J-pop songs, but which don't have articles or kr.wp and ja.wp. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Bear in mind also that English language sources for this article haven't increased since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disturbance (song) Feb 2013. This is song is Geuleon Neo "The Way You Are" a Korean song in (Korean and Japanese) sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

• Withdraw/Speedy close. I think this article might be placed better at "Geuleon Neo (Disturbance)", as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Style. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 10:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• On iTunes[1] it is listed as "그런 너 Disturbance". To be honest, I thought that 그런 너 meant disturbance so it seems like it would be better to rename the article to Geuleon Neo (Disturbance) or Such As You (Disturbance). ps, is "Such As You" an accurate translation of 그런 너? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 05:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit difficult to translate, 그런 geuleon does mean "such" 너 neo means you but as a phrase the feeling is as near to "such like you" or "just like you" or "[I like you] just the way you are" ; Japanese: そんな君 sonna kimi is a translation direct from Korean and "The way you are (song)" might be the best for both Korean and Japanese. Except this odd English marketing name (I wonder if record company reps invent these without looking at the lyrics sometimes). In ictu oculi (talk) 12:41, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

How about "Someone Like You"? Hmm, since there is no official English translation, I think Geuleon Neo (Disturbance) would be the best title here. Also on Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Style it says that "the article name should be the transliterated form of the title using Latin characters" like "Sanso Gateun Neo (Love Like Oxygen) instead of 산소 같은 너 (Love Like Oxygen) or You're Like Oxygen (Love Like Oxygen)" Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 13:41, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

• Google Translate http://translate.google.com translates 그런 너 as "then you" and 산소 같은 너 (sanso gat-eun neo) as "you are like oxygen". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
• Since no one seems to be opposing the move to Geuleon Neo (Disturbance), I'll just go ahead and move it. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 06:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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