Talk:Division of the field

Gyronny should be listed, but how should it be described? --Daniel C. Boyer 16:18, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I put it under variations of the field. - Montréalais 06:19, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Per bordure and the orle

Does anyone know, or have an example of, an orle "per bordure"? Because it strikes me that it should be possible for this to happen. Does this exist? Is it otherwise described? --Daniel C. Boyer 19:43, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Ivory Coast

The arms of Côte d'Ivoire show a unique (and arguably unheraldic) instance of one tincture "fading into" another.[1]

The citation listed indicates that the gradient is not part of the blazon, but an affectation of the graphic artist, and that the blazon indicates the background is simply vert. Côte d'Ivoire shows a coat of arms whereof the blazon is flat vert, not a gradient.- Montréalais 16:21, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

But see "According to Cote d'Ivoire Embassy in Tokyo they confirm they modified the coat of arms and changed the colour in shield from green to orange fading to green and in scroll from green to orange, white and green. They gave me the government website which shows the current coat of arms image. I am asking them when they changed colours and bit design.

Nozomi Kariyasu, 17 January 2002" in the cite. As best as I can research it there seems to be some confusion on this point. Are you still saying that the blazon has remained constant and the depiction has changed to this bizarre gradient version? That would be even more interesting. I think we might want to get this researched to see where the problem is coming in. --Daniel C. Boyer 17:43, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Improvement drive

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Merge

I believe that this page should be merged with Heraldry. It should be a category in the Heraldry page. Opinions? (RG 20:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC))

Novohrad-Volyns'kyi

What's unique about it? —Tamfang 02:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

good examples

• per bend: Niedergösgen; Rumendingen; Wiler bei Utzenstorf; Kienberg, Switzerland
• per bend sinister: Wynigen; Brienz; Wilderswil; Aetingen
• per fess: Biberist; Erlinsbach, Solothurn
  • per fess indented: Spiez
• per pale: Plagne, Switzerland; Vauffelin; Utzenstorf; Diemtigen; Heinrichswil-Winistorf; Gündlischwand

• curiosities: Tramelan (and Mont-Tramelan); Jegenstorf

—Tamfang 00:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article, like so many of our heraldry articles, suffers badly from Trivialistitis. Since Wikipedia is not a list of trivia, and the usefulness and readability of this article suffer, I will do a lot of work to clean up this article over the next week or two. I am not here alone, however, and I am not trying to claim WP:OWNERSHIP. I earnestly appreciate any help I can get with improving the prose, layout, use of images, and especially the references (and I will be asking for a lot of them)! Thanks in advance to any who wish to chip in. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 12:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I removed these dubious claims from the article:

The arms of Lenguazaque, Cundinamarca, Colombia are per fess, and said to be divided by a line, but this is generally regarded as unheraldic.[2]

• I don't see why this would be "generally regarded as unheraldic," and in any case, there is no indication that any reliable source says it is unheraldic.

An anomalous, and perhaps not in accordance with the rules of heraldry, example of per fess with the upper part occupying one-sixth of the field, occurs in the arms of Yarumal, Antioquia, Colombia [3].

• This does not seem anomalous to me. It just looks like a chief tierced in pale gules argent and vert with a star Or and fimbriated of the same. By the way, the above link is dead, but it's reproduced here.

The bulleted comments here are my own. Does anyone have a compelling reason to add either of these back in? In either case, references will be needed to show that these are considered unusual and why. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 02:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

engrailed, invected

User:Care swapped the labels on per fess engrailed and per fess invected. Authorities disagree on which is which. One reasonable analogy is between the order of tinctures named in a partition and the order of tinctures named in a coat consisting of field and ordinary; Care's preference reflects this. On the other hand, per fess can be considered akin to a chief (there are certainly examples of one becoming the other, particularly in Italy). I believe the SCA at least considers the first part to be 'interior', so per fess engrailed has downward points. Other arguments/authorities? —Tamfang (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Separate article on marshalling of arms?

It might be good to separate out the section on marshalling of arms into a separate article. (Japanese Wikipedia has a separate article.) - AnonMoos (talk) 03:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

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Enhanced and debased

I believe these terms are used particularly for divisions per fess, when the division is not in the center of the field, but higher or lower. A search of Wikipedia didn't bring either up. It seems this would be the appropriate heraldry page to discuss this. No RS for me, so I'll rely on a heraldry expert Lineagegeek (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Lord Byron bears Argent three bendlets enhanced gules, so it's not only for (per) fess. —Tamfang (talk) 04:41, 3 September 2023 (UTC)