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Notability of Residents

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This is a note to all trolls and anons/users who would like to add names to the Notable Residents section. If a name is added, and is not notable, it will be removed on sight. If you are not sure of notability, ask yourself if it would pass CSD criteria A7. Your religious center's preachers, your spouse or your family member are probably NOT notable. A list of Notable Circumstances are listed below:

  • Actor in a notable movie or Television Show.
  • A religious leader who HAS made a notable contribution to your faith's world. This is not your local Priest or Rabbi.
  • A radio personality, that has made a big contribution or works at a notable station.
  • An individual who has made a great contribution to the world of Science, English, Technology etc.
  • A government official.
  • A famous singer, performer, or famous members of the entertainment world. Your local band members aren't notable unless they have a chart topper, or a notable album.
  • The list continues...



If you have any questions, you are welcome to post them on my Talk Page. Thank you. Thedjatclubrock :-) (T/C) 02:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC).Reply


Day Camp

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Does anyone remember a day camp in Dix Hills called Timber Lane? My recollection is that it was on Burrs Lane. In reviewing Google maps, Wikimapia, etc., I'm not sure I can locate it. I'm wondering whether the property was developed. It could possibly located at the intersection of Burrs and Calumet, but I can't tell. ButtonwoodTree (talk) 02:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Changes Made by Czar to Notable Residents Section

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Please refer to Czar's talk page for a full discussion about his/her changes to this section and the subsequent changes made by him/her to the Todd Baker page.

In short, a class project that sought to add notable residents (based on the guidelines provided by thedjatclubrock) to the Dix Hills page has been consistently thwarted by Czar. The tag at the top of the page asks for citations. We provided them. When these weren't good enough for Czar, we provided more. We will continue to provide even more if the Wikipedia community deems this necessary. However, the discussion about this on Czar's talk page has turned inappro Further, Czar has opted to keep some names on the page, remove others, and add some of her/his own without logic. For example, there are no citations for Kathy Moriarty showing that she is a resident, yet Czar lets it stand. Other persons who did have citations were removed because Czar deemed them to be unacceptable. It should he noted by the way that Kathy Moriarty is a resident of a neighboring town, not Dix Hills. Czar also added Curtis Jackson, aka 50 Cent, as a resident, but he too does not live in, nor has ever lived in Dix Hills. He simply owned a home there in which his son resided. Of course Czar wouldn't know this based on the fact that he/she doesn't live in Dix Hills and is simply using various press clippings to make the determination. Such inaccuracies based solely on this method of varication and not using additional methods is a problem that damages the reliability of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1001:B104:527C:5945:120:86D:B880 (talk) 00:09, 29 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Without taking "sides" in this disagreement, I would like to point out that what you know based on personal knowledge is not what Wikipedia wants or uses. We rely solely on what secondary sources say. Secondly, I really do not understand where you think you got your "guidance" from. The username you mentioned links to an account that has been closed. A possible explanation for why some entries remain without references is that there is referenced content in their biographies linking them to the school.
Please realize that one of the requirements of editing Wikipedia is something called "assume good faith". Instead of being confrontational with Czar, perhaps if you would ask him what it would take to get things the way you want? John from Idegon (talk) 06:28, 29 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Czar has yet again deleted a valid citation for Baker, this time a reprinting of a Newsday article complete with title, author's name, and date. The article is too old to be found on Newsday's website, but exists on LexisNexis. If Czar can find a way to link to that, then he/she should do it. Czar's removal of this link is vandalism. Remember,editing is not deletion and requires research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1001:b10c:360a:54e3:9292:1249:3ca2 (talk) 18:43, 29 December 2013‎ (UTC)Reply

IP, you're driving me nuts. This is what you just added, and it has nothing to do with Newsday or LexisNexis:

* Todd Baker, television producer, Howard Stern Show on Demand[1]
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This is the other stuff previously added for Baker:

*Todd Baker, producer, The Howard Stern Show on In Demand[2][3][4]
— [2]

*Todd Baker, producer, The Howard Stern Show on In Demand[5][6]
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  1. ^ Oil prices are low, economy proves
  2. ^ "Linkedin". Linkedin.com. Retrieved 2013-12-27.
  3. ^ "Twitter Profile".
  4. ^ "The 100 Project". Retrieved 2013-12-27.
  5. ^ "Culver City High Class of 1981 (I)". Cchsa.org. Retrieved 2011-11-03.
  6. ^ Todd Baker (I)
This dialogue over Todd Baker's inclusion has been a total waste of our time. None of the sources linked have even shown that he lived in Dix Hills, and that's not withstanding that Wikipedia doesn't use those sites anyway as unreliable. I have linked the policies several times and you continue to show that you haven't read them. As for the refs continually added without care: I have no idea what the Course Hero link is supposed to prove. IMDB is very unreliable and is never used for referencing. Twitter and LinkedIn are self-published sources and are rarely trusted for personal information, nevertheless to show that independent, secondary sources find the subject noteworthy. The 100 Project is another SPS, and the Culver City alumni page is for a California high school. And all of this is besides the point because none of the sources added to Todd Baker show, as I've repeated, "significant coverage from reliable, independent (secondary) sources" (?) so his article is going to be deleted. You say you have experience and that you're working with students, but you've shown no interest in actually working with other editors and no knowledge of even the most basic WP norms like signing your talk page posts. Then you complain of unfair treatment and tell me to source the rest of the cruftastic "notable residents" section (which is not my job). When I did it anyway, you were much less than grateful. It should be very obvious from the other sources used on the page that Todd Baker does not have comparable sources. (And for the sources purported to be added, Baker is only mentioned in film production charts in LexisNexis/ProQuest—no significant coverage.) I figure that you were trying to link a different source, which I just added. It's Baker giving his opinion on oil prices as a local homeowner, which is fine for this article... but passing mentions count for nothing in whether he will have an article in the first place. I'm happy to help you if you ask nicely and stop attacking, accusing, and threatening me, but if you're going to continue to carry on like this, I'm going to ask you to please stop. czar ♔ 19:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Failing the pre-proposal of WP:RS sources here on this talk page, I would have to agree with Czar. Wikipedia is not here to satisfy your class requirements. Whomever assigned this to you should really read Wikipedia:Education program and coordinate their efforts with the editors there that specialize in assisting teachers with student editing. It is of absolutely no benefit to a student to try to complete a malformed assignment with ill-equipped teachers guiding them. John from Idegon (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
I was asked to interject and I do so in the hope that agreement is possible. At first, I thought I might edit the article Todd Baker just a bit. In the course of viewing the references, I questioned whether they were ALL about the same Todd Baker since the Educational history is different. I rather doubt that they are which is a problem. User Czar is completely within the parameters of a Wikipedia editor and should be commended in his efforts to assist. The act of writing a Wikipedia article is fraught with miss-steps and errors. I hope that your students are not dis-heartened by their first efforts at Wikipedia editing but they should know that it is not as easy as it looks. What often happens in these first novice steps is misunderstanding of what a veteran editor is doing. To put it broadly...He is protecting the Encyclopedia. You and your students have a creative commitment to the two articles. What you and your students need is a deeper understanding of the rules of editing so that your information will "stick". BTW...calling an editors work "vandalism" is like a slap in the face. See Wikipedia:Avoid the word "vandal". It makes it hard to collaborate when name calling enters the conversation. If you continue to edit at Wikipedia I would suggest a less confrontational tone. Work toward resolving the issues rather than defending your position. Wikipedia editors work best as collaborators, not adversaries. ```Buster Seven Talk 00:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Break

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Czar in the hope of turning things around, I will try again to work with you. However, the last time I made the attempt, I lathered praise upon you, only to receive a personal attack in response. My biggest regret in starting this one assignment is that it looks as though it may result negatively upon the Baker page. However, as you have made many edits and additions to the page, the deletion now seems highly unlikely. The assignment in question, the improvement of the notable residents section for Dix Hills, NY, was only meant to last during the holiday break. But there are still two entries that we feel may not be entirely correct; Jackson and Moriarty. It would be my pleasure to assist you from my vantage point in making these as accurate as possible. Therefore, before I make changes to these, I will certainly write my suggestions here for your thoughts and comments prior to posting. A very sincere "thank you" in advance for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.208.64.240 (talk) 17:10, 1 January 2014‎ (UTC)Reply

Could you please clarify who and what you mean by "we" and "the assignment"? I understand that you contend that 50 Cent doesn't live in Dix Hills daily. The sourcing says he owned property that his family occupied there. Whether 50 Cent spent one day a week or one day in his life in that DH house is of little concern since WP is not concerned with what is true as much as what the reliable sources can confirm (¶11). If you can find another reliable source that says the house was used otherwise, we can modify the article, but the only sourcing available says his house was occupied by his family and owned by him (which makes him a resident). I'm not exactly happy with Patch as an editorial authority, but it's all I could find for Moriarty (which is better than none, as the other unsourceable listings were deleted). It clearly says she lived in DH. On a WP note, please remember to sign your talk page posts with four tildes. czar ♔ 18:57, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Here's some links for you that specifically say Jackson did not live in the house. http://www.accesshollywood.com/50-cent-files-20m-defamation-lawsuit_article_10115 http://metro.co.uk/2008/06/10/50-cent-told-to-keep-blaze-property-182251 http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/47801/50-Cent-told-to-keep-blaze-property http://www.nme.com/news/50-cent/44546 http://www.news24.com/Entertainment/CelebNews/50-Cent-told-to-keep-house-20080610. On a side note, I'm confused and wonder if you could please clarify why you removed the link for the episode in which Baker's name appears as the producer of the Stern program (as opposed to "one of the producers", there is a difference). It definitively proves that assertion on the Baker page. Wikipedia is filled with links to copy written material, from newspapers to magazines to books to even the WABC video report you linked to for the fire at the property Jackson owned. As for continuing with the editing, the break is over and I personally don't have the time to continue. Others may. But it was a spur of the moment thing that was suggested the group do. 70.208.64.240 (talk) 23:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

A few balls in the air at once here... I still don't know about the classroom/assignment nature of these edits or what "group" you're representing (there are COI guidelines if you have an affiliation, such as with the local library as you've mentioned previously), especially with the IP hopping. The 50 Cent links are largely copies or variations of the same text and the others don't say anything applicable. At best they say that he didn't live there, as in his ex-girlfriend and son lived there without him at the time of the fire. The property is/was owned by him for the purposes of his family, which would make his family residents regardless of his personal time spent there. Would you prefer to phrase it differently, and if so, what is your suggestion? I'm guessing you're fine with my rationale about Moriarty. The Baker stuff belongs on the Baker talk page, but I'll answer here fast. I removed a link to a YouTube video posted by someone other than the copyright holder (some random YouTube user). The link was to copyright infringing media, the same idea as linking to a page of photos that were posted without the copyright holder's permission. WP doesn't allow such links. If you linked to a Howard TV video posted by Howard TV, that would at least be a start. YouTube is usually only used as a last resort. For more, see Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#YouTube. The idea of general notability says that if the subject is so worthy of its own article, it will have plenty of coverage from independent, secondary, reliable sources (see WP:42), which Baker doesn't. He has a handful of mentions—asides in articles—but lacks significant coverage as an individual, as a topic. It would be impossible to write an article about him because there aren't enough reliable sources and, in fact, there aren't enough to reliably source what's currently written, as we're resorting to third-party YouTube videos while simultaneously arguing that he's a notable producer. That's why it's going to be deleted. I highly recommend flipping through the GNG, WP:FILMMAKER, and WP:BIO to get a feel for the types of subjects whose articles are kept. I also recommend the talk page guidelines for talk page etiquette like indenting replies. czar ♔ 23:47, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
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Sources

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Dropping some unused refs here:

  • Miller, Chester J. (1931). Early History of Huntington, New York, from 1653–1783 (M.A. thesis). Pennsylvania State College. OCLC 26380988.
    • "Ananias Carle, of Hempstead, was induced to settle in Huntington by a gift of a large arm at Dix Hills, as he was a military man and the people needed an officer to command their local militia efficiently against the Dutch and Indians." p. 36
    • "Huntington, in 1776, was not thickly inhabited. The farm houses were scattered here and there over the East and West Necks, at Cold Spring, Dix Hills, Long Swamp, Sweet Hollow, West Hills, Fresh Pond and Little and Great Cow Harbor. The principal road ran from the east side of the Harbor to Dix Hills. There were some 225 freeholders living here at this time. ... Platt Carll had an inn at Dix Hills." p. 53
  • Caro, Robert A. (1974). The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York. ISBN 978-0-394-48076-3.
    • On Robert Moses building the Northern State Parkway: "The barons of the Dix Hills in the western portion of Suffolk County—Otto Kahn, Stimson, Mills, Winthrop and De Forest—had thrown back with contemptuous ease his attempt to penetrate the fastnesses they controlled, but Kahn's $10,000 had enabled him to snatch from James Roth and other meek farmers of the plains to teh south thirteen more miles of right-of-way." p. 299 (see map on following pages)
    • On "long-term costs" of Moses's "accommodation" of the barons: in addition to the five-mile Wheatley Hills detour, "Coupled with the six-mile detour forced on parkway users by Moses's previous accommodation with Otto Kahn and the other Dix Hills barons, it meant that a commuter who lived anywhere east of Dix Hills and who used the parkway to get to his job in NYC was condemned to drive, every working day of his life, twenty-two extra and unnecessary miles. He had to drive 110 unnecessary miles per week, 5,500 per year—all because of Moses's 'compromise'. By the 1960s there were about 21,500 such commuters, and the cost to them alone of Moses's accommodation totaled tens of millions of wasted hours of human lives." Also "deprived the public forever of parks in the loveliest part of Long Island"—it was designed to be a road leading to parks, as the Southern State Pkwy, and apart from a spur to Caumsett, no parks were developed on the North Shore/Gold Coast." pp. 301-2
    • Terms Moses's actions as "unconditional surrender" to the barons, and the two great southward detours the NSP makes are a testament to the barons' power, p. 303

czar 05:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

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