Talk:Dock

Closed Dock

English: "a dock is an enclosed area of water used for loading, unloading ships"

How can the ship go into the "closed dock"? If the area is not closed, it is a harbour or port. For building and repairing ships we use dry docks or swimming docks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.191.238.178 (talk) 18:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Topic

What is the topic here? This looks to be a discussion of different meanings for dock, most of which are not appreciably different from other articles (berth, wharf, pier, port). I propose that this article be refocused to discuss only the British meaning (since that is somewhat unique from other articles) and that all other content be stripped from the article in favor of disambiguation at the top of the article (and perhaps a very brief mention in the lead).

--Mcorazao (talk) 22:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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Primary definition

From [ http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dock ]:
1. The area of water between two piers or alongside a pier that receives a ship for loading, unloading, or repairs.
2. A pier; a wharf.
3. A group of piers on a commercial waterfront that serve as a general landing area for ships or boats. Often used in the plural.
4. A platform at which trucks or trains load or unload cargo.
[Dutch dok, from Middle Dutch doc, from dken, to go under water, dive.]

From [ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dock ]:
1: a usually artificial basin or enclosure for the reception of ships that is equipped with means for controlling the water height.
2: slip 1b
3a : a place (as a wharf or platform) for the loading or unloading of materials
3b : a usually wooden pier used as a landing place or moorage for boats
Middle English dokke, probably from Middle Dutch docke
First Known Use: 15th century

From [ http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dock ]:
From [ http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american/dock ]:
An enclosed area of water in a port, where ships stay while goods are taken on or off, passengers get on or off, or repairs are done.

From [ http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dock#Noun ]:
A fixed structure attached to shore to which a vessel is secured when in port.
1910, Emerson Hough, chapter 1, The Purchase Price[1]: With just the turn of a shoulder she indicated the water front, where, at the end of the dock on which they stood, lay the good ship, Mount Vernon, river packet, the black smoke already pouring from her stacks.
The body of water between two piers.
A structure attached to shore for loading and unloading vessels.
(Wictionary is the odd man out here)

So, when Otis Redding sang "Sittin' on The Dock of the Bay", did he get wet? --Guy Macon (talk) 19:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 4 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: move. Consensus is 5-2 in support of the move on the basis that the maritime topic is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "dock". (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 04:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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• Dock (maritime) → Dock
• Dock → Dock (disambiguation)

– Appears to be the primary topic by longterm significance criterion. The computer, or perhaps space usages of the term are based on the maritime one, which has existed for thousands of years. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support, mostly in spite of nom.Vote changed per below. The maritime dock article gets more pageviews than the others combined, so is also WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by usage. "Based on an older topic" or "existing for thousands of years" does not determine a primarytopic - "While long-term significance is a factor, historical age is not determinative"; "Being the original source of the name is also not determinative". But in this case, the two criteria align, so would be helpful to our readers and editors to move. Dohn joe (talk) 16:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

  Just a note about those pageviews and why they depart so significantly from the actual usage shown below. They omit some of the significant targets (like Taskbar), but more importantly, they compare the pageviews for the article title for Dock (maritime) with mostly the views for redirects for the other topics. Articles views aren't comparable with redirect views (see WP:PPT): the largest proportion of any article's incoming traffic comes from external search engines and from links, and this traffic usually goes directly to the article title rather than through any of the redirects. – Uanfala (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Looking over the DAB page, this does appear to be the primary topic here. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. There's no primary topic with respect to usage: only about a quarter of readers who land on the disambiguation page proceed to follow the link to the sea dock [1]. There's no primary topic with respect to long-term significance either: even if you remove the computing entries (though why would you? we're not Wikipedia: the encyclopedia for the 19th century), there's still enough other uses left: several related to non-modern transportation/technology, a common herb that's used in cooking, etc. – Uanfala (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

That WikiNav tool is amazing. But I also think it confirms the usage issue. Over 50% of readers who visit the dab page and proceed to another WP page go to the maritime article. If people are looking for some other "dock" topic that's not on WP, I don't know that they should count in the analysis, but I'm open to argument.... Dohn joe (talk) 01:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

There is always a solid number of readers who don't move on from a dab page, but that's not completely what we're seeing here. Yes, 50.48% of the outgoing onwiki traffic displayed on Wikinav goes to Dock (maritime). However, that's not all the traffic that there is: the tool shows only the top results; in particular, links with fewer than 10 clicks for the given month are not included (they're excluded from the source dataset for privacy reasons). If you take those into account and redo the calculation based on their possible max and min values, then the proportion for that month will be somewhere between 33 and 50.48%, the actual value most likely to be near the middle of this range. Even if none of those links receive any clicks at all and this article gets the full 50%, then that's still not enough to meet the primary topic threshold, at least the way most people understand it. – Uanfala (talk) 02:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Interesting, interesting. I'll need some time to fully get what's going on, but I do think it's enough to scratch my !support. Thanks for the knowledge. Dohn joe (talk) 23:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Rumex gets nearly as many views (2,600) as the maritime meaning (2,769)[[2]] and "dock" is the common name of the plant at least in England. This in addition to the other meaning makes me think there's no clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Very easily passes the long-term significance test. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support but maybe a line call. The maritime use is both most significant and most common IMO, even taking all the others together, so it is PT. But there are sufficient other common and significant uses that to say no PT and leave the DAB at the base name doesn't do a lot of damage. I remember calling rumex dock weed in England as a boy, but I've just slashed an acre or so of it for a neighbour and nobody around here would know what I was talking about if I called it dock. Andrewa (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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