Talk:Doctor Eggman/Archive 1

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Robotnik > Eggman

Agreed, I think validity has to take a back seat to not sounding like a fucking cheerleader. This Eggman nonsense is the worst naming catastrophe I've ever seen. Everyone who uses the name should be ashamed of themselves. It doesn't matter what Sega says because if they use the name Eggman Sega is wrong. 99.240.165.210 05:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hear, hear! 91.105.46.239 19:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Why is it Eggman when it was Robotnik first (and sounds better)? -- 81.106.171.63 (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ita always been Eggman in japan so they made his nickname Eggman(which almost everyone calls him) and his full name Robotnik(the lesser used). I think Doctor eggman should be his article name since thats what other characters commonly call him and Sega is definetley not wrong if they use Eggman. Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 01:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you are NOT allowed to delete posts on talk pages, even if you don't like them or agree with them! You can't just delete what I have to say Fwooshlewooshle! Check up on your Wikipedia rules before you start deleting stuff and saying the exact same stuff the deleted stuff says as if it's your own. And if you really want to be eight years old, heres the "toned down" version of what I said

"Sega can say whatever they want about their characters and it will be correct, no matter what you think, cause the character is their property, and they can do whatever they want with it, no matter what your opinion on the subject is! Besides, Eggman has always been used in Japan. If Sega wanted to change Sonic's name to Murphy, they could because he belongs to them, not you. That doesn't mean anyone has to like it, but they could. So stop your complaining, and ranting about how one is "better", as it matters what Sega says, not what one wikipedian thinks is better. Ultimately the only thing that matters to an encylopedic article is what does the creator say/what is always true for the object. If the creators of something want to change that something, they don't have to consult you every time they do. It's not a valid point, it's not that important to this article, we've had this disscussion fifteen million times with the same outcome: keep Eggman as the name. So no matter how much you want the name to be Robotnik, it's not going to be." There, was that to your satisfaction?

• Note: Before you go wildly accusing other editors of things. I was the one who reverted your posts [1]. I suggest you visit wp:civility and wp:attack. Using profanity and accusing other editors of being "brainless", telling them to "shut the hell up" and calling them "eight year olds" is not an appropriate way to conduct yourself on a talk page. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

So apparently other editors are allowed to use profanity, just not me? I suggest you look at the "Wikipedia is not censored for minors" rule. I concede that the personal attacks were uneccessary, I was really ticked off, got on Wikipedia and saw an argument which I've seen a million times. I apologize for the personal attacks, but my central point is still valid. 76.105.204.255 (talk) 19:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The article namespace is not censored - but that's hardly the point. It's not the words you use, it is the demeanor and context in which you used them which constitutes a personal attack. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 20:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

YOU DARE ACCUSE ME VIOLATING WIKIPEDIA'S RULES! WHAT ABOUT THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE ,HE USED THE WORD FUCK SO DONT YOU DARE TALK ME ABOUT WHATS RIGHT OR WRONG! READ THE TALK PAGE YOURSELF IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME! CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY THAT I'M MERCIFUL TO FOOLS LIKE YOU!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Poorly written

I'm sorry, but I have GOT to point this out. I think the majority of this article could do with a re-write. In particular, the "personality and appearance" section contains a staggering amount of vague speculation, disjointed sentence structure, and absurdly mashed together bits and pieces of vastly unrelated and barely coherent veiwpoints, which are loosely strung together.

A good deal of the article aside from that also needs major overhauls and revisions, but in particular, that section, frankly is terrible. Even to the point of being difficult to read. Perhaps it's a case of "too many people randomly throwing in their 2 cents", but the chaotic nature of this article, really borders on the point of being misinformational.

For instance, there are way too many completely unrelated variations of the various Eggman and Robotnik personas that bleed into each other, thus making it seem like someone is attempting to mash together all versions of him into a single solidified character.

May I suggest taking a look at the Wikipedia entries for the individual entries for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles main characters, as an example of how to best separate all versions of Eggman or Robotnik into their own sub-section descriptions?

In fact, every single one of the sub-sections in this article could do with a complete re-organization of all of his character versions. Much of the differing persona information in every section of the article would read much better if re-ordered into those, rather than spilling out all over the place without structure as it currently is.

I think that breaking up this mish-mash of Eggman information into sections dealing with each mediums "version" of the character, would make for a much less confusing and more pleasant article to go through, for information.

This is just a friendly suggestion, mind you. As a fan of this particular character myself, I'd personally like to see a better quality article devoted to him.

- Karma

Move to Dr. Robotnik

I don't think this page should be moved at all. He has been known as Dr. Eggman, IN ALL NATIONS, ever since Sonic Adventure. Robotnik may be his real name, but Eggman is more like an alter-ego type thing. And most articles of super heroes or villans with alter-ego's, the article is called the alter-ego! UnDeRsCoRe 13:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, it doesn't need to be moved. Reguardless of which is his real name or alter-ego or terrorist alias or whatever it is, he is officially refered to as Dr. Eggman in all regions. 71.64.157.161 20:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

So, then can we get rid of the move tag? UnDeRsCoRe 20:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It should NOT be moved, he is currently refered to as Doctor Eggman everywhere. While his name may well be Robotnik, it's not the name he is identified by, nore is it the name someone from after Sonic Adventure's time would search Wikipedia for. --Zikar 20:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

So how do you remove the tag?007kz 22:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll remove it. UnDeRsCoRe 23:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

If you want to be technical, in ANY English speaking country, he began as Dr. Robotnik on the Megadrive/Genesis since the whole Sega and Sonic thing began, in documentation AND game text(this also includes the Megadrive/Genesis title "Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine" and "Sonic Spinball" as well). I guess the question is: were you first playing video games before or after 1989? Tallaussiebloke 13:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

No way! It should DEFINITELY be under Robotnik! That's his name! His name ISN'T Eggman, it's Robotnik, and it has been since the beginning. Putting a nickname as the main title is silly. Budtard 18:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Tell that to Sega. His name has been Eggman since the character was designed, and it has so remained in Japan since then. The Sega of America has reverted to that name, that's his official name. Deal with it. Demaar 18:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, Yuji Naka said that he was Ivo Robotnik from the beginning. I have proof! Go to gametalk. com, and I'll tell you where I heard it. Look for someone called "SEGA Fan BOSS". 207.74.196.20 14:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, Yuji's word is not law. He is not representative of Sega. Tell me, if your went by your middle name, would you prefer to be referenced by it, or your first name. His name is Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, with Eggman being the title used to referrence him. Get over it, it's Sega's character, what they say goes, and they haven't used Robotnik without Eggman preceding it in eight years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.204.255 (talk) 06:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Sonic CD

'In Sonic CD, Ivo Robotnik has an odd boss theme that somehow resembles the song "Who Are You?" song from Final Fantasy VII.'

From which version - American or Japanese/European?

I think he means the original one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.68.179.130 (talk • contribs) .

Just listened to the European one and the FF7 track, heard no similarity. Not even really hearing a similarity in the US version tracks, either... Demaar 18:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Name

According to Google:

• "Doctor Eggman" [2] 114

• "Doctor Robotnik" [3] 522

Doctor Robotnik is the more common name for this character in English. Perhaps the page should be moved. What do others think? M123 05:45, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Dr Eggman" [4] 3,260

"Dr Robotnik" [5] 8,210

Yes, but Doctor Eggman became the dominant name since Sonic Adventure. Before Sonic Adventure, however, this was not the case. Sometimes, he has been referred to as "Doctor Eggman aka Doctor Robotnik", but for the most part, the post-Sonic Adventure games call him "Doctor Eggman" - Whisper

Should this be Dr. Eggman, since his name is almost never seen with "Doctor" spelled out? - The T

I suppose the page should be Dr. Eggman, and in the first paragraph he should be referred to as Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. 68.190.167.252 23:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Ok peeps, it's official: His English AND Japanese name is officially "Dr. Eggman" now, as shown by this site: http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicnext/sonicnext_full/index.php I'm going to change "Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik" to "Dr. Eggman" now...007kz 04:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok peeps, it's official: His English AND Japanese name is officially "Dr. Eggman" now, as shown by this site: http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicnext/sonicnext_full/index.php I'm going to change "Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik" to "Dr. Eggman" now...007kz 04:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

His Grandfather and Maria are still Robotnik, also in Sonic Riders his stuff is made by Robotnik Corp. His Japanese eye catch in Sonic X also calls him EGGMAN (Robotnik). Just because Robotnik isn't mentioned on the site doesn't change the fact it's still part of his name, if nothing else than through his family ties. --Zikar 11:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

...so? His official name is still Eggman. It has nothing to do with his relatives. You know how people in REAL LIFE can even change their names? Please, I've given you the most up-to-date evidence, and you give me nothing. Besides, if they considered his real name Robotnik, they would have put Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, just like how they put Miles "Tails" Prower on that SAME SITE.007kz 21:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Evidence? Poppycock. Also, remember I'm one of the guys who argued for keeping the page Doctor Eggman and not Doctor Robotnik. The fact is that his name IS Robotnik, however he just doesn't go by it. Now before you argue it isn't Robotnik, I once again point you to his Grandfather, Gerald Robotnik, and Sonic Riders of sources of the name Robotnik in post Sonic games, aswell as several instruction manuals. --Zikar 02:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let me put it this way so that you'll understand: His official SURNAME is Robotnik. His official name that he, as well as Sonic Team, goes by is Eggman, as shown CLEARLY on the official site, which has NO TRACE of the name "Robotnik" anywhere. Please don't make me highlight the word "official site"...007kz 06:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If you started from word go, you'd know it all began from the English versions of Sonic games. The guy was known as Dr Robotnik, not as just a name, but as that character name only. Every game from 1989 until at least the late 1990s was Dr Robotnik and nothing else at all. Well over 10 games as Robotnik.

SEGA eventually decides to avoid Russians suing for making fun of "nik" names (or some other crazy reason) and they come up with "Eggman" of all names for what's supposed to be a guy who's feared, but this doesn't change the fact that the character's always been known as Dr Robotnik to the English speaking world the world over.

That's like going and changing Lex Luthor's name to "Bald Baddie", or Superman to "Kryptonman". Changing gears from cool sounding to lame sounding when you've called them something else for years is just a crazy thing to do, not to mention it divides the gaming community in some cases.

Now which sounds better: Dr Robotnik or Dr Eggman? Are you likely to be scared by eggs? Not really. But robots? Way scarier. Plus, what does he use at his disposal? Does he egg Sonic to death, or throw dangerous robots at him?

Just a thought: Which sounds better: Koopa or Bowser? And which one stuck? If you guessed Koopa, you're mistaken. Funnily Koopa was Mario's Nemesis' original Japanese name, which was beaten out by Bowser, a name made for US and other English countries, just like Eggman may be SEGA Japan's choice, but if they wanted to make it that, they should have never decided Dr Robotnik would be his English name. Tallaussiebloke 13:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

No offence man but you're hardly making any sense. Do you even have a point or are you just rambling? --Zikar 17:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Haha, this guy thinks that it should be Robotnik just because it "sounds better". Hilarious.007kz 03:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The important thing, to be frank, is not what any of you think, it's what Sega says. And I agree the Robotnik is his last name, and "sounds cooler" but the important thing is that it has not been used alone to reference Eggman in at least eight years, while the title "Eggman" has. His current title is "Dr. Eggman" as stated by Sega, while his LAST name is Robotnik. 76.105.204.255 (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the best thing to please both sides is to call him "Dr. Eggman Robotnik", just like how Sonic the Fighters has him listed. Not as a nickname, but as a legit, full name (however odd).

His name is doctor Ivo "Eggman"Robotnik.Sonic calls him eggman because it doesn't sound scary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.7.41 (talk) 01:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I wondered...

I would have expected to find a link to the Beatles song here... whose title I can't remember. -FZ 00:19, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I Am the Walrus? Yeah, I thought that too. Cheese 15:21, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Eggman likes a lot of eggs, and his first design have bunny teeth, and looks a little like one. Did SEGA base him on a Easter Bunny?
No, SEGA based him on former president Theodore Roosevelt.Goodone121 20:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Difference between Robotnik and Eggman; lack of seperation between SatAM and Archie

While the Archie universe borrows heavily from the SatAM continuity, the two are not one in the same. For example, Ben Hurst(a lead writer for most of SatAM's second season) originally intended Robotnik (Julian) and Snively to hail from a human space expedition that took place nearly a millenia before the current timeline. Nevertheless, this background was never hinted at in the series, and may very well not apply.

In Archie it would appear Robotnik was born and raised within a pre-established Overlander civilization on Mobius (modern title for humans), unlike what was planned for his backstory in SatAM. In Archie, he was born as Julian Kintobor of the house of Ivo (Although his first name was Julian in SatAM, no real last name was given to him before he rechristened himself Robotnik) Julian eventually became a weapons designer during the Great War(another subject borrowed from SatAM, but elaborated upon), and conducted illegal(not to mention immoral) experiments on innocent people to test his prototypes. Authorities eventually caught on to this and Julian was sentenced to death by his own brother, Colin Kintobor. Instead of accepting his fate, he fled to the Mobian border and was taken in by Mobian soldiers. He is then brought before the King of the Mobian faction(King Maximillian Acorn), who grants him amnesty and decides to use his knowledge of their enemies to gain an advantage in the war (which explains why Julian sided with them and became War Minister). I'm uncertain as to when the Great War actually began in Archie, but the conflict was started somewhat due to racial tension and unpleasant dealings over the generations. Apparenty, after the Kingdom of Acorn was victorious, a lot of the remaining humans/Overlanders fled the planet, while others were left behind. Most of those that remained were either abandoned or opted to stay behind. These Overlanders were either hunted down by the newly renamed Ivo Robotnik (now ruler of Mobius), or managed to stay hidden in solitude.

Essentially, the SatAM Robotnik and the Archie Robotnik (aka Julian Kintobor) are the same character. However, in the Archie continuity Julian Kintobor (Dr. Ivo Robotnik) and Dr. Eggman are two different characters. In issue 50, Robotnik met his supposed demise at the hands of his own weapon of mass destruction. Eggman made his premiere appearance in issue 75, where a roboticized Robotnik from an alternate reality (Robo-Robotnik) traveled to Mobius Prime, claiming to have already defeated his version of Sonic. He was destroyed when his orbital space station exploded, but transferred his digital consciousness into another robotic body. In this body, Robo-Robotnik took on the Eggman from the games' likeness and was such redubbed "Dr. Eggman". As such the original Robotnik can be called Robotnik, Ivo Robotnik, and Julian Kintobor, but cannot be called Eggman. Robo-Robotnik on the other hand, can be titled either Eggman, Robotnik, or Robotnik Mach 2. I believe these two characters should be seperated under a SatAM/Archie continuity section. If anyone wants to edit the information presented above and implement it into the article please feel free to do so. --Exor 02:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I'm all for that, I guess. I'll admit I'm more of a games guy, though, where "Robotnik" or "Eggman" are both applicable for the same guy, unlike these other universes. --Shadow Hog 03:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

E-121 Phi

Phi should be E-120 not E-121 as the E-100 series robots start with E-100 not E-101 making Phi the 120th robot even though he is the 21st greek letter --I don't have a username 8:03, 23 May 2005

Yes, yes it should. However, Sonic Team goofed on that and Phi really is E-121. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.

Fleetway origin

I'm confused. Where in Sonic the Comic does it say anything about Dr Kintobor originally being from Earth? As far as I'm aware, no mention of Kintobor's origin is made, save that he's a scientist trying to rid the planet of evil. Amy and Tekno went to Earth once, but I don't think Kintobor was mentioned in that issue. I could be wrong. -- Supermorff 23:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'd have to agree with you that there is no mention of him ever coming from earth... although there are very few other humans on the planet... and I believe Robotnik does have knowledge of earth... but again, it was never expressly said... --Zikar 07:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not read up to current (stopped around 110?) but don't they reveal Mobius as Earth in the distant future? Dunno if that's relevant, but thought it was worth pointing out. Demaar 18:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

They never revealed Mobius as Earth, that was the Archie comics, Fleetway was revealed to be Earth's sister-planet or something. I do recal Robotnik and/or Kintobor talking about it, or possibly Sonic saying Kintobor was from Earth, although I can't give a precise issue conformation on that, I'll have to check.

Lozeko (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Drift

Why is Eggman the fastest racer in Sonic Drift and quite tough even though it means he has low acceleration, low maneuverability, and high top speed? --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Same reason why Bowser & Donkey Kong Jr. were the fastest in the original Super Mario Kart on the SNES. Some unwritten rule that the fattest characters in a racing game always have the fastest viechle.

Probanly for balance. Allyourbasearebelongtousomg 20:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Silver/Mecha Sonic name dispute

Well, there has been somewhat of an edit war in regards to Robotnik's first Sonic robot... myself and several others believe that it's name is Silver Sonic, both Fleetway and Archie continuities have it's name as Silver Sonic however I'm not sure where any official Sega info on the matter would be, although I am almost 100% sure that it IS called Silver Sonic, not Mecha Sonic (Mecha Sonic being a later creation). At any rate I'd like 213.64.127.91 to explain why he keeps editing it to say Mecha Sonic, and what official Sega info he has to back it up, although he hasn't exactly been forthcoming so far. --Zikar 10:32, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

"Silver Sonic" is just a name used in the west. The japanese manual for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 clearly states his name is Mecha Sonic. And the japanese version of Sonic Jam states that the robot in Sonic & Knuckles is the same one as in Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

This is NOT the Japanese language page. The name, unlike Robotnik's, was never refuted or changed by any Sega of America/Europe material, thus, on this English page the name stands as Silver Sonic. --Zikar 22:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Fine. But its still the same robot in S2 and S&K. Sonic Jam states that. He was just upgraded between the games. You make it seem like they are two diffrent robots. So i will let the name "Silver Sonic" stay but i will still make it clear that the two robots are in fact the same one.

Here is what i have writen:

His first attempt was Silver Sonic, called Mecha Sonic in Japan, a dismal failure due to the fact that it was the total opposite of the original — slow, unwieldy, big, and stupid. It was later upgraded with a much sleeker and more aggressive design, and it was also faster and able to fly. This later version is often refered to as Mecha Sonic even by non-japanese fans (possibly cause he now became blue in color, instead of silverish gray like ha had ben before, hench the name "Silver Sonic" would not be very fitting anymore).

Isent that a good compromice? I think it is. Lets just keep it that way.

It's a tad unwieldy, gonna streamline it, but the message will be the same. I'm glad we could work this out. --Zikar 10:45, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that only robot Sonic from the Game Gear game is ever refered to as Silver Sonic, and that's only in America. The Genesis ones aren't named. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.

They are, just not by sources in English. BTW, the robot from Sonic the Fighters is "Mecha Sonic", in both English and Japanese versions.

I Am The Walrus link questionable

I'd like to see some proof that Dr. Eggman was named after the Eggman spoken of in The Beatles' "I Am The Walrus." The source provided is to a Sonic fansite, which itself doesn't state any source. Though the GHZ is oftentimes fairly credible, this statement is extremely weak, and sounds like nothing more than the author's opinion. Given that Eggman was designed by native Japanese speakers in Japan (not to say that they never heard the song, but that it was somewhat less likely), it's highly possible that he was named this simply because he's an egg-shaped man. Something admitting the speculative nature of this statement should probably be added unless a member of Sonic Team has given confirmation. -- Anonymous, 07 Feb 2006 5 I know that's the reason why he wasn't called Eggman until Sonic Adventure in America, but I'm sure it wasn't because it actually WAS because they took it from that song. They just wanted to make sure they weren't sued or anything. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs.

The Cold War and The Name Game?

I was under the impression that in the late '80s, Robotnik (a very Russian sounding name) fit for creating an villain in a video game (for the Western world), but the Soviets aren't so threatening now that they don't exist. I have absolutely no basis for this. Anyone? Steve McLinden 07:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. If you mean to add something like that to the artical, then I'd say no, since there is nothing to suggest that, that was why they named him Robotnik. --Zikar 11:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with Steve. It was a U.S. name given to a Japanese character right? And further; he's wearing red, this may have inspired a Russian sounding name during the time of Communist Russia. Adding this to the article is no less viable than the citationless "name inspired by the Beatles song I Am The Walrus" after all; it's just as intuitive and makes as much sense 67.5.158.239 04:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Robotnik is actually Polish. It was probably intended to be Russian, though. The fact that it happens to have the words "Robot" and "nik" is probably coincidental. The Polish word "Robotnik" means "Worker". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.147.198 (talk • contribs) .

Actually though, Sonic the hedgehog came out in 1991, after the Soviet Union fell... so that more or less sinks your ship... User:Radman622 19:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It's Dr. Robotnik!

ROBOTNIK! R O B O T N I K! - A Clown in the Dark 19:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

No, Robotnik was just Eggman's name in the United States to avoid copyright violations. In Japan, the villain was always known as Dr. Eggman. In Sonic Adventure, the dubbed version has the characters call him Robotnik and Eggman. Finally, a compromise made his full name Dr. Eggman Robotnik. Robotnik is the family name, Eggman is his first name. The first name of Ivo isn't used anymore, so it's safe to say that it's no longer canon. Shadoman, 10 March 2006

As much as I hate the name "Eggman" it is his official name currently in all regions. --Zikar 20:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Something cannot stop being canon. It either is, or it isn't. There is no was. I move that we make the Doctor Eggman page redirect to a Doctor Robotnik page with the exact same information, instead of the other way around.

216.229.65.178 07:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)2:44 AM 8/5/2006

It was also the name in all of Europe aswell before they decided to change it to suit the 'fox kids bad attempt at anime' generation... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.52.119 (talk • contribs)

It is, in fact, his original name, since the game was developed in, and released first, in America (by a team consisting of Japanese and American), then Europe, then Japan. They all had different backstories and they were all official (I personally love the Kintobor story :)) it just happens that some stories have been continued and some have not. The name of the article I think should be Robotnik, it is (as far as I know still) the English language name, and this is an English language site. What is his name in the latest Sonic game manual? How exactly does it appear? --SnakeSeries 20:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Sega seems to be really incosistant with his name. On Sega's website they use both names. Considering that his grandfather is Gerald Robotnik and and ??? is Maria Robotnik, I think this page should be re-named "Dr. Robotnik" and have Doctor Eggman redirect to it. TJ Spyke 20:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The fact that he is virtually always called Dr. Eggman in the manuals and games, and the fact he himself calls himself Eggman... and it's "The Eggman Empire", "Eggmanland" etc, makes me want to say that Wikipedia should continue to use Eggman when refering to him. While Robotnik seems to be his actual surname, "Dr. Eggman" seems to be his adopted moniker that he goes by... and the fact that the games no longer refrence him as Robotnik means that we should continue to use Eggman. --Zikar 16:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Sega's English website says his name is Robotnik, and Sonic The Hedgehog was released here first. WP policy also says to use the official ENGLISH name. TJ Spyke 02:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

^Elistist

The official English name is now Eggman. It USED to be Robotnik but was changed, also can you link to this mention of Robotnik on the official site? It is (however stupid) Dr. Eggman. Oh wait, you mean in relation to your recent edit, I thought you wanted it to not mention Eggman at all or something... --Zikar 04:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

His real name is Dr. Ivo Robotnik, and he is nicknamed Eggman (which, from his point of view, has to be better than Sonic's other monkier for him, that being "Dr. Robuttnik.") Though the nickname "Eggman" started as Sonic making fun of him, Dr. Robotnik now prefers to refer to himself as Dr. Eggman. So, he's known as Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. That's the bottom line, and it's been Sega's explanation ever since Sonic Adventure. So, please, just get over it. --Luigifan 22:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Just like Luigifan just said, his current "name" in ALL regions is Dr. Eggman, and he is very commonly referred to by just that, except by the older Sonic fans who won't stop with how awesome the genesis was, and how new Sonic games suck. You can see that the somewhat derogatory title even wormed it's way into games as old as Sonic 2 in the form of the Death Egg (he had nothing to do with Eggs in america, except that his old first name, Ivo spelled backwards was eggs in latin. However, SEGA has stated that he is Doctor Eggman Robotnik, nothing more not really anything less. Refer to him by whichever name you feel most comfortable with, but don't change the name of the article, as Eggman is his current "name". Radman 16:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I'd say it's more of an alias than nickname, but that's splitting hairs. Either way it's his official assumed name. Demaar 18:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

His full name is Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. Period.

We HAVE to make this article shorter.

This article is way to long ans tiresome to read. I suggest we make the entire "Creations"-section into its own article, perhapes just called "Eggman's Creations"? I dont know how to to it, so could anyone else do it please?

I agree, I'm going to start cleaning up some stuff. --Zikar 22:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but why are the different incarnations of Robotnik listed under a different article entitled "Unofficial Robotnik Incarnations"? What is so "unofficial" about them?--Exor 01:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I knew that page's title would cause controversy as soon as I saw it. I've changed the article to "alternate Robotnik incarnations." I know some particularly staunch Archie/DiC fans will still be likely to dispute it, but I personally think it's the fairest solution to shortening this article, if only for the time being. The rendition created by the original Sonic Team staff is the first, the root for all later versions (which are nonetheless official, I agree), as well as the one most commonly called "Dr. Eggman," so I'd say it's the most logical and convenient thing we can do until a better compromise can be figured out. Ideas are welcome. --Matt S. 17:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do we "HAVE" to make the article shorter. If the data is interesting, relevent, and or needs to be told about the character, you CAN NOT delete is from the aticle. If you want to shorten it, delete unfounded, uncited assumptions, and trivial little "you may be interested to know"s. Other than that, don't lay a finger on the article except to correct it, as the main point of Wikipedia is to constantly EXPAND all articles, so that the most possible amount of relevent, important information is given. Radman 17:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations for resurrecting a debate over a WHOLE YEAR old... --Zikar 17:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Name info

His name is technicaly eggman, as that was infact his original name.--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs)

Actually, he name was and still is Robotnik officially. "Eggman" is just his nickname, but it's become so common that even Sega calls him that sometimes. TJ Spyke 20:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. In Japan, the character has always been known as "Dr. Eggman". For the American and European releases of the Mega Drive Sonic games, they "renamed" him Dr. Robotnik. The Japanese have trouble spelling "Robotnik" right. In the introduction for Sonic the Fighters, it says "REVENGE OF DR. ROBOTONIC", and in Sonic Mega Collection, it repeatedly (sp?) calls him "Dr. Robotonik". In Sonic Adventure, some characters refer to him as "Robotnik" throughout the English release, but Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy call him Eggman. Starting with Sonic Adventure 2, "Robotnik" is a surname and Eggman is his real name. Case closed. Shadoman 18:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

How was he renamed for American audiences when the first Sonic game came out in NORTH AMERICA first? If anything, that means they renamed him for Japan. Eggman may be what they call him most now, but it's still just his NICKNAME. TJ Spyke 23:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

...do you even READ other people's posts before you post your own?007kz 02:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

References

Here are some quotes I found in the article which led me to set the unreferenced tag:

• The "SegaSonic" continuity, as it is known by fans, (known by fans?)
• Although Eggman's mental stability is questionable, (who questions his mental stability?)
• is generally thought of as the "official" storyline. (according to...?)
• strangely called Silver Sonic in the English manual (why strangely?)
• Eggman's most successful and persistent Sonic copy to date is Metal Sonic. (according to...?)
• The following versions of the Death Egg are not considered to be within the Death Egg Saga (according to...?)
• Whether his personality is changed, in addition to his general look, remains to be seen, (this just looks like original research)
• It has been said by SEGA that Eggman will not be the primary villain in the Wii-exclusive title Sonic and the Secret of the Rings (When? Where?)

Please keep the tag until the article is referenced. There are currently two and a few inline links for such a massive article. -- ReyBrujo 19:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Originally the people in charge of the american shows books and games were worried that fans would mock his name, calling him assman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.170.165 (talk) 06:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

why do he want to take over the world?

just why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 (talk • contribs) .

-Because every game needs a villain. Shadoman 16:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading one source explaining that he wants to take over the world because he sees the United Federation as a corrupt and inefficient form of government, and thinks he can do better. Dr. Wikipedian 07:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

That was in a Sonic X episode where everyone thought he was a hero and he told those robots that, I think. UnDeRsCoRe 20:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Nah, that wasn't it. Dr. Wikipedian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.192.13.13 (talk • contribs) .

Eggman thinks the world would be a robotic utopia if he ruled it,but as one sees in Sonic CD,his Eggman empire ends being a total failure,even his own robots are falling apart. Delsait

I recall him saying in Sonic Adventure that he wanted to make an amusement park, Eggmanland or something... 74.69.171.184 (talk) 19:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

That's what he wants to call the land he rules, it's not an amusement park.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 10:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Er, maybe because he's evil. Evil people in science-fiction have a tendency to want world domination. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 20:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The Death Egg

Do you think a picture of the Death Egg should be added? 83.252.141.108 03:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Dr Robotnik's Love Life

I know nobody would ever want to actually be with him, but is there any possibity he may or could have one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.69.84 (talk • contribs) .

I do remember an episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog involved Robotnik trying to stop someone names Lucas marrying his childhood love, Lucinda, so he could marry her himself. Lucinda was uninterested, and eventually Sonic stopped the plan and she got married to Lucas. I don't really think it constitutes its own place in the article, however, and I sadly can't find any sources confirming this at this current moment in time. Supremesonic 17:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I have that episode on VCR, and I've seen it, so I can confirm what Supremesonic is saying. The name of the episode is "Best Hedgehog". A quote by Sonic from that episode: "You take care of the bad hair, Tails. I'll take care of the bad 'Nik!" --Luigifan 00:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

In the Sonic Anime movie,Eggman has a crush on the mayors daughter Sera. Delsait

Eggman-nega is Eggman's descendant, so he is got to meet woman some time, just unknown when he meet her.

I'm guessin' rape, sayin' that only a twisted, demented, psycho would love Eggman. ChromeWulf ZX 20:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, his SONIC360 appearance looks really awesome. I think thats when he starts getting the ladies. Masterotenko 17:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Robotniks bad but I really can't see him rapin someone,I'm bettin he either had a one night stand when he was younger or Nega could just be the child of a sibling of Robotnik. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Delsait (talk • contribs).

What about the fact that Gerald Robotnik obviously got married & had kids otherwise Eggman & Maria Robotnik wouldn't exist, I mean if Greald can get a woman I don't see why Eggman can't.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Oh wow, people talk about the strangest things these days. Robotnik's love life has been seen differently in several episodes of AoStH. The first, as stated before, was Best Hedgehog, in which he was shown to have a crush on a girl named Lucinda, whom he knew from his teenage years. The second would be Catella (I dont know how to spell her actual name), who appeared in the episode Zoobotnik. She fell instantly in love with Robotnik and ordered him to marry her. Then Momma Robotnik broke up the wedding. The last one was in the episode Sonic the Matchmaker, where Robotnik mentions he wants a wife, and builds one, before it also turns on him. Steg Blob (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Romantic

the sonic heroes manual says he is "romantic" and a "feminist", but its still unkown if he has any special feelings for someone. -the swede (non wikipedian) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 (talk • contribs) .

In Sonic Jam, one of the concept artworks showed Eggman looking fairly shy with a small heart. The romanticist comment goes back further than Sonic Heroes.

Age?

Just out of curiousity, which manual listed him as 28? I think it needs a source. Last I heard, he was once listed as 40... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.147.198 (talk • contribs) .

I think he is middle aged. He seems to have the adult age denial syndrome. In the Sonic Heroes manual it lists his age as "Unknown". Most adults above say, thirty, do not readily give out their ages. He is probably older than thirty five. But who really cares that much? He's the same Eggman no matter how old he is! User:Radman622 07:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Villain or not

I think we should attach him to anti-heroes. Just because he doesn't help at all in the old series, he's been one heck of a big help out for the gang, and ever since the Sonic Adventure generation, he's lost the title of main villain. SoundPound500000 October 17, 2006 1:30 am

Name one time he's done anything that would classify him as an anti-hero? Not being the main bad guy doesn't mean he's become "good". --Zikar 21:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Eggman has become "less evil", according to Sega, but he has not become a good guy, or even an anti-hero. He's still considered a villain. --Luigifan 21:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

So what, Shadow shoots and kicks people up-side the head and you don't see him as an official villain so why would Eggman, he knows everything the gang needs to know and he doesn't mind sharing his thoughts when in good mode, he done so much for the team and it doesn't matter if he goes back to bad at the end, he's only human and is the grandson of a good man and the cousin of a great person and helped saved the world, oh I don't know how about 4 TIMES IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, Mr. Anonymous Guy... You have a point about Shadow, but Eggman's still a villain. He has, as I mentioned, become less evil, but he is still evil. He only really saves the world because he can't conquer it if it gets destroyed!!!! --Luigifan 22:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Eggman is the series main villain, even if he gets betrayed and the end of each game nowadays. 83.252.141.112 21:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, A guy who attempts to eradicate an entire planet into extinction is evil. We all saw him laughing his head off when he thought the eclispe cannon would fire;laughing at the approaching slaughter of billions of people is not in an anti hero characteristic. Let's not forget the fact that he said that he would've crashed ARK into earth had he'd been given the chance; but the fact was he was stuck in the colony so he had to save his skin. He's not an idiot and knows that Sonic and his gang have abilities that will enable him to save himself. Chaos flooding the city was his fault; even if Chaos did betray him Robotnick would've had him do it anyway. Blowing up an entire island, and it's implied that many people were still on it, shows him as a mass murderer. There is good in him; he's human, but that is greatly overweighted by his attmepts of mass murder and destruction. Um, so yes he's DEFIANTLY a villain.- DarknessofHeart —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs) .

Robotnik does not want to destroy the world. How would would he take over the world if their was no Earth. Anyway he was probably going to blow up a country or station square with the eclipse cannon. Still a totally horrible and atrocious thing to do but its not destroying the entire Earth,he needs that for his eggman empire. Delsait

Shadow said that the cannon would destroy an entire planet when fired when he contained all seven emeralds. I don't think that it would literally destroy the planet like the death star from star wars did, but rather destroy the things ON the planet. Robonik does not care for the people, he only wants the planet itself so he could transform it into a an empire where he would rule and have complete control over it. The same went for his plot in the first sonic adventure, he wanted to use Chaos to destroy Station Squere which would of murdered all the people so he could turn it into his empire. This further supports the fact that he does not care for the people and only wants the places themselves to rule over. The same goes for the missle he shot in sonic adventure. In fact, if you play the stage where you need to beat him to the missle, if he is close to it, he'll say " I'll take this whole city with me." That means that he was willing to sacrifice his own life in order to destroy an entire city and murder millions. But, your probably right that he was attempting to destroy only a country, but I'm just saying the cannon wouldn't destroy the earth to the point where it's blasted out of exsitence. Also, he said he would've crashed ARK into the planet, which more or less would have the same effect as the cannon firing at the entire planet. Mmmmmm, when you really think about it, Robonik is very, very evil when he wants all this destruction and mass murder.- Darknessofheart

When did he say he wanted the crash the ark into the earth,I don't remember him saying that? Anyone Eggman wants people on the people for his eggman empire,a world leader can't just rule over robots. Anyone more then anything Eggman is crazy and unpredictable,which is why one minute he's planning to blow up a country,the next hosting a hoverboard tournament in a nonsensical plot to get the Chaos emeralds. Delsait

In sonic adventure 2 when knuckles accusses him of starting ARK on its' crash course, he's says " I would've done this a long time ago if I had the chance." Also, who says he can't rule without people. The guy loves robots and may want to control the world and everything in it, so robots would be very suitable for that. He also started by attemtping to take over south island in the first games which seemed to be only occupied by animals, and his goal was to turn them all into robots, so he wouldn't mind just as long as he has control over the world. Maby he hates people, who knows.- Darknessofheart

I disagree, It's not known what he meant by that quote(the player was meant to suspect him at that point),besides if he really wanted the earth to be destroyed he would have just left in an escape pod. remember how suprised he was that his grandfather was going to destroy the earth,even Eggmans not crazy enough to want to destroy the earth(He wants the Eggman empire on earth,and if he didn't,where would he live,one can't live in a space station forever. the way his quote was said you could tell he obviously did want the earth to be destroyed,part of it on the other hand...... Delsait

I don't think there was a way to escape the colony. There was no evidence that he could've gotten away. Also if he escaped where would he go? He can't go back to earth or else he would've died. He even questions at the end if Gerald meant to destroy them when the ARK would crash. This kinda suggests that Eggman had no way of escaping. This is really futile to discuss as we really don't have alot of evidence of what Eggman would and wouldn't do. I see your point though and my say would be he's a combination of everything that has been dicussed. He wants the planet, but wouldn't mind destroying parts of it like a city or country as you said before.- Darknessofheart —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs) .

For the record, he also says outright that he does not want Earth to be destroyed when Emerl aims the Final Egg Blaster in Sonic Battle. 217.198.150.144 09:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Only cause he wants to rule the earth. And...he can't rule something that's blown to bits! ChromeWulf ZX 20:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Basically, he's not really a villain, just an annoyance. Sabre Knight 17:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Obviously he cares SOMETHING for human life, as in Shadow the hedgehog, when hearing Black Doom elaborate on Gerald's pact with him, he exclaimes "He betrayed his own PEOPLE for reasearch!" Obviously referring to the human race. Perhaps mistranslated from RACE or SPECIES. He cares SOMETHING for humanity, and so thus cannot want to destroy all humans. Besides, more recently he's been seen as far less evil and destructive. He obviously has the capability to direct his air fleet around, mindlessly destroying cities as he goes, but he doesn't. He uses it to invade, and capture hostages and Chaos Emeralds so he can take over. Originally I think Sega wanted him to look eviller than he does now... User:Radman622 08:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

STOP DELETING THE "IVO ROBOTNIK IN THE EARLY ENGLISH MAUAL" PART!

The plain FACT is that he WAS only known as Ivo Robotnik in the EARLY English manuals, and NONE of the later ones, so STOP DELETING IT. Also, starting from SA2, his name was changed to Dr. Eggman in all the English games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.212.191.119 (talk • contribs) .

Why....

Is the same pic of Eggman in two different places? And is it possible to center the 1st pic of Eggman? It seems kinda off-center? BlackEDGE MkII 22:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Eggman Nega

Don't you think that there should now be an Eggman Nage page? Seeing as he will be a prominent figure in Sonic Rivals and there seems to be more than meets the eye...

Just wondering if there's any point? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BeccaH313 (talk • contribs) .

yes absolutly —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs).

I agree. The Babylon Rogues have their own page, and they have only appeared in one game. Mephiles and Black Doom have also only appeared in one game, yet they have their own pages. Eggman Nega has appeared in two games(granted, Sonic Rush is more than likely non-canon), yet all he has is a spot on the minor villains page.Michael Mad 11:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, can you add anything MORE to the minor villains part? The article would just be a stub for now. Gurko 10:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Not to sound like a pest, but are there any pictures of Robotnik from the TV series? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.31.154.129 (talk • contribs).

yeah, there are plenty of pics on google image. in sonic x he's pretty cool looking, put he looks like an idiot in adventures of sonic.

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General 16 (ds wifi alias)

He looks the best in the SatAm cartoon

Origin of the name

"In one episode of the American animated series Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Tails said "Guess again EGGMAN!" to Robotnik, which is how the idea came from." I REALLY doubt his name came from a random insult thrown in the US cartoon.--HellCat86 15:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought that his name came from the Japanese versions of the games. Wasn't he called "Eggman" in Japan? DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

eye color

in sonic the hedgehog 2006, what was his eye color —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 17:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

Blue. --Zikar 13:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Typical. Sonic Team is gettin' lazy. ChromeWulf ZX 20:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh... only Tails and Eggman have blue eyes... --Zikar 01:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait, you can see Eggman's eyes in it? As in, not obscured by his foggy glasses? ... But Eggman's eyes are supposed to be mysterious! The fact that you can now see them has ruined my childhood's wonders! Well, not really, but you get the point...208.101.160.214 12:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, it's far from lazy. Maria Robotnik had blue eyes too, you know, so Sonic Team probably wanted them to share better resemblance. Quittaboi 23:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

What I meant was that Sonic Team is starting to make their characters well...similar, and I'm not just talkin' about Eggman having blue eyes. I mean really either 1. the characters look the same (the exception is relatives like the Robotnik family), 2. they act the same, or 3. (my favorite) they share the same abilities (Chaos Control anyone?). Sonic Team really could be more creative. No offense. ChromeWulf ZX 22:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

blue!? haha, thats sonics fur color, he must hate himself —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs).

Wait a sec, I`ve completed Sonic The Hedgehog game and I`ve never seen the bit where he removes his glasses. When did he do that?????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.33.13.30 (talk • contribs).

He doesn't remove them, but you can see his eyes at certain angles (since his glasses are real now rather than welded to his face like in Sonic Adventure and onward) --Zikar 15:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I like this page

In what scene can you see his eyes.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Zikar answered on my talk page so in case anyone else has the same question; it was the scene were Team Sonic get teleported to the future.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Title Art

Can someone post a screenshot or two of Eggman from Sonic Rivals (and please make it a good one)? Thanks in advance. -Chao9999 13:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh, found a shot of him. Gonna change this title. *bink* Ok, so we have the CG art of him from Sonic 2k6, but Sonic Rivals in newer, which portrays him in his Shadow the Hedgehog form (darker mustache). I think we need to do something about this, as something similar is constantly going on in the Ganon article. Should we use "most recent portrayal", or "most common portrayal". Since most common outnumbers most recent by so much, and most recent is no longer most recent, this would mean we'd use most common portrayal. But, omg there is no official Eggman art for Rivals, the most recent art for his most common portrayal is from Shadow the Hedgehog. We need to change the image, and I'm all for using Shadow the Hedgehog, but, if anyone has a better idea, say it. BTW, although I don't like his Sonic 2k6 look (too human, and has bottlecaps on his coat), I'm alright if we keep it.Chao9999 13:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Use the most recent art, and by most recent, I mean 06. The rest of the character in that game have promotional art so keep Eggman's in the same style as the others. DON'T CHANGE THE PIC. ChromeWulf ZX 02:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Sonic Rivals some out AFTER Sonic 2k6? -Chao9999 08:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No they were released on the same day, but every other character has artwork from 06, so we should keep Eggman's article in the same form. Now if you want to add a pic of from Rivals somewhere else in the article, that's another story...ChromeWulf ZX 18:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we better keep '06 Eggman for now. Just too bad we don't have a full body shot. However, I think we should add a picture of his appearance in Rivals, or possibly Shadow, somewhere else on the article. Gurko 08:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I meant the Rivals ART. The Rivals art WAS released after Sonic 2k6's art, although I realise that there was no official art released for Rivals besides that used in the game, the art appeared AFTER, which would make the appearance in "Rivals" the most recent, and his most common, which would mean we should use the Rivals depiction, and leave the 2k6 art in the 2k6 article. This would be in keeping with Wikipedia's standards. The only problem is getting a clean screenshot of him from Rivals, and then getting rid of background. Maybe if someone could tear it from a rom... -Chao9999 22:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I say keep the 06 pic where it is and add a pic from Rivals somewhere else in the article. ChromeWulf ZX 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

But that goes against Wikipedia's standards. His Rivals appearance is not only the most recent, but the most common. -Chao9999 01:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Do what you like. But keep the 06 pic in the article, and, if someone reverts your edit, it wasn't me. ChromeWulf ZX 00:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I found some small in-game art in case you want it. [6] 83.255.67.167 16:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems like they don't like hotlinking or something. Anyway, here's an upload. Gurko 11:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Real name

Ok, guys, I have found proof that Dr. Eggman's name is Ivo Robotnik. Go to Concept: Mobius: REAL character profile, and you will see the truth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.74.196.20 (talk) 16:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Stop Removing Link

Stop removing the link to Dr.Robotniks Computer!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.171.66.138 (talk • contribs).

Sorry, but the fan site is very small, it has no articles, and a forum with three threads. Does not really qualify as a good external link per our guidelines. -- ReyBrujo 22:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Protecting the name/info box

The name/character info box is a constant tussle with people changing it to different naming variations. Could it not be protected? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.104.34.212 (talk • contribs).

We can't potect just a single part of the article; it's either all or nothing. Gurko 07:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the DVD-ROM flash comic that came with Sonic and the Secret Rings...

In the DVD-ROM flash comic that came with Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic relates King Shahryar with, and I quote, 'Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik', meaning it is all acknowledged even today. So that should seal it: it's clearly seen here that Ivo Robotnik is his real name, and Eggman is a nickname. It also shows that the real name hasn't been abandoned entirely as some have thought. So we can all stop the 'only Eggman is still mentioned (so far) and thus is the only thing we can use to refer to him' nonsense since his history hasn't been forgotten. Case Closed! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.129.217 (talk) 11:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

Screenshots please? --Zikar 13:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Better yet, a downloadable copy: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8ENLY9BL

Ok, I see that now. But, there's still the fact that Eggman is the MAIN name used in the games. The comic is just what it is: A bonus comic. In the actual games, Ivo Robotnik is never used anymore. So there's still no proof that Eggman is the "nickname". The only thing you can really say is that both Eggman and Ivo Robotnik are offcically approved names, but there is no evidence in the recent GAMES that states Eggman being a nickname. So how about we change the main title from Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, to Eggman (Ivo Robotnik), since Eggman (Ivo Robotnik) will indicate that Eggman is mainly used today, more clearly than what Ivo "eggman" Robotnik will show?007kz 05:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep in mind that just by logic, this should mean that Eggman is either a nickname or alias. I say alias since he's always being called Eggman. 207.74.196.20 16:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the Eggman (Ivo Robotnik) title; it's accurate and it will show that Ivo Robotnik is still his real name. 66.238.170.33 15:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

It was written by the creators of the Sonic the Hedgehog comics, so it's irrelevant. Anything cited within that is intended to be based more on the games, but it still isn't canon, and Sonic Team did not write it. --Ultima 22:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

So? It still came with the game. The ORIGINAL release, may I add. If they'd have wanted to make a full comic based on the it, they'd have sold it separately as part of their comic, but instead they got Sega's permission to include it with the game itself. Saying that it shouldn't matter just because it was drawn by Archie is like saying that Sonic Rush (or the Sonic Advance games) shouldn't matter at all because it was really handled (or "written", if you will) by Dimps rather than Sonic Team. 208.101.148.128 12:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be protected?

It should be. Wikipedia:Protection policy This page is getting a little out of control.72.189.200.83 17:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I don't know what's up...but there WAS a contest to see about who should be Sega's new mascot, in case anybody was wondering...72.189.200.83 17:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, maybe the site I read it off was this site. Still, this page is getting a little out of control, so it should at least be semiprotected. As for the contest thing, I'll start looking for *more* proof. 72.189.200.83 18:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting sick of this.

How much more proof do you need?!?! In Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Adventure 2, it says Dr. Eggman is the grandson of Professor Robotnik, and Maria as the granddaughter of Professor Robotnik. Since they are grandson and granddaughter, WHY ARE THEY CALLED COUSINS?! WTF?!!!????

As for his name, it says in the comic of Sonic and the Secret Rings that his name is Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. That means that his real name is Ivo Robotnik. By the way, this is a canon game. Listen to me, CANON game! So if a canon source SAYS "IVO ROBOTNIK", then it IS "IVO ROBOTNIK"!!!! As for the Polish thing, think about it. His last name is Polish, and he and his SISTER Maria have blonde hair and blue eyes, a common trait for Polish peole. 207.74.196.20 16:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm ALSO getting sick of this. They are called cousins because the Sonic Adventure 2 manual says cousins. They can still be Gerald's grandchildren, as Gerald simply had more than two kids. The Ivo Robotnik stuff I can accept and probably just got caught up when I reverted your other stuff. The Polishness is speculation which we don't really need. Gurko 18:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I'm kinda participating in the edit war again, but just to say this. If this continues, do you think it might be a good candidate for WP:LAME? Or is it not lame enough yet? --LuigiManiac | Talk 18:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

They could be BOTH cousins, AND Gerald's grandchildren IF Gerald had more than one child. I think I remember Eggman stating somewhere near the end of SA2 that Maria is his cousin, or maybe in the manual somewhere... Also, don't you think he would be more distraut when putting Maria's name in the computer if she was his own sister? Everyone, do some research. Look over instruction manuals for SA2, SA2B, Shadow the hedgehog, etc. And watch some cutscenes from SA2, Shadow the hedgehog, and parhaps Sonic Battle? PRESENTLY UNLESS ANY DEFINATE EVIDENCE CAN BE FOUND, SEGA HAS STATED THEM AS NEITHER SISTER-BROTHER, OR COUSIN, ONLY THAT THEY ARE BOTH GRANDCHILDREN OF GERALD. Thank you. Radman 19:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The game itself is canon. However, the comic is not. That was written by the creators of the Archie comics. As far as Eggman and Maria goes, we have no idea how it works. However, it's more likely that they are cousins or else he would've probably referenced that aspect. Gerald could've easily had more than one kid, y'know. --Ultima 22:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

So? It still came with the game. The ORIGINAL release, may I add. If they'd have wanted to make a full comic based on the it, they'd have sold it separately as part of their comic, but instead they got Sega's permission to include it with the game itself. Saying that it shouldn't matter just because it was drawn by Archie is like saying that Sonic Rush (or the Sonic Advance games) shouldn't matter at all because it was really handled (or "written", if you will) by Dimps rather than Sonic Team. 208.101.148.128 12:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't only stated in the comics. It's been mentioned already that the SA2 instruction manual said that they were cousins. There's no point in discussing the comics' canon validity here, since obviously nothing in the comics, Archie or otherwise, is the same universe as the games. Radman, the instruction booklet states that they're cousins. That's definite evidence unless otherwise contradicted. 74.69.171.184 (talk) 19:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Alias vs. Nickname

What do you think about the Eggman thing? I think that it is an alias because all games list him as "Dr. Eggman" instead of "Dr. Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik". See, we know Tails is a nickname, because he's always called "Miles 'Tails' Prower". But with Eggman, he's just Dr. Eggman. This evidence suggests that Eggman started as a nickname, but now, it is an alias; like Superman. Superman is not a nickname, it's an alias. But what do you think? 66.238.170.39 18:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a nickname. It's not like Tails is the alias of Miles, Tails is Miles' nickname. Same thing. 208.101.140.76 18:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, most times that the main characters refer to him in the games [I know this is the case with Sonic in SA1 and 2] they call him just "Eggman" and drop the formal title. The cue from that is that it's just a nickname. 74.69.171.184 (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Relations

Do you think there should be a section about his relations with other characters? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.218.92.64 (talk • contribs).

Doctor or Professor?

Why is Gerald referred to as a Doctor sometimes? 207.74.196.20 17:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The games have always called him Professor. I think 4Kids screwed up their translations of Sonic X a few times (just like calling Eggman's base "Chaos Control" when the Japanese translation was refering to the ability) Cigraphix 17:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably doesn't help they tasked the show to a guy who knew nothing about Sonic and didn't even think doing so would help--HellCat86 13:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Riders Theme?

Just wondering, wasn't "Eggman again" a guitar version of the special stage music in sonic heroes? Allyourbasearebelongtousomg 19:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Categories

Would the categories "Fictional mass murderers" and "Fictional characters with mental illness" fit into this article?

No. He neither is a mass murderer or has a mental illness. Also, sign your posts.--Zikar 17:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I actaully think this is debatable. He blew up an entire island and there was absolutly no indication that the people got off. Not to mention Eggman said "Blow up the whole island and get away before anyone has the chance to know what hits them." So, it was part of his plan to blow it up with the people still on it. I think he killed people in that one and to an extent is responsibile for the flooding of Station Square. Still, it has never been stated in the games that people have died, so I guess we can't include it. Why is he in the category of anti-hero? There has been a whole discussion about it and a majority feels he's not; which is true.- Darknessofhearts

Just because he blows up the island doesn't make him a fictional mass murderer [I assume you're talking about Metal Harbor in SA2?]. When that category is used, it means that that item is brought up inside the context of the series. If we're talking about Hannibal Lector, that makes sense. If we're talking about Goku [Dragonball Z], it still technically applies but no longer makes sense. Goku winds up destroying whole city blocks with half his attacks, not even counting the damage he does in his giant monkey form. Does that make Goku a ficitonal mass murderer? Another example would be the main character in pretty much any action movie- let's say James Bond. Blow up the enemy base? Well there goes every staff member, associated with evil or not. This technically makes him a mass murder, but the category still doesn't apply. I don't think the category deals with real-world ideals, but rather with in-canon ideals. Jason Vorhees, or Freddie Kruger are fictional mass murderers because their respective serie are -about- them being so. Eggman is not because it's never really brought up in Sonic canon and you could say the lives are never tallied. 74.69.171.184 (talk) 19:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture?

What happened to the picture? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.218.92.64 (talk • contribs).

It was deleted for claiming fair use but not saying why. Feel free to find a new one and explain why it's free to use. Gurko 17:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, guys. What the heck.

Why in the world are we using the 06 pic? The one that's not only not his most recent appearance but one from only ONE appearance? -Chao9999 18:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with you. It should really be the pic of him from Sonic CD that can be found further down the page, and not 2006. :/ Steg Blob 23:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Replaced the image with his Art from Shadow. Most recent pic of him in his current appearance. -Chao9999 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up time

I must say, I am thoroughly disgusted with the poor quality of this article. There's no section concerning the character's in-universe history, at least three sections need to be converted into prose, and who the hell brought back the trivia section?! Trivia has no place in Wikipedia. The King Bowser page, IMO, is actually of better quality than this page, which is pretty sad, as Eggman is, once again IMO, a much deeper character. Unless if some serious clean-up is pulled off, I might be forced to ask for another peer-review of this article. And if you see that the article's been demoted to Start-Class, don't come crying to me, because you pretty much brought this onto yourselves. End of line. Cat's Tuxedo 22:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, i admit, the article needs some clean-up, but i'm not with you on the 'trivia section has no place on Wikipedia' part. Sorry, but i honestly feel that trivia belongs on Wikipedia as much as anything else. It informs users (or passers-by) of interesting facts that they may not have known in the past. Steg Blob 00:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I just got done cleaning up the article, and it looks pretty good so far. Now if we could just find more references, this just might reach the level of the Sonic the Hedgehog (character) article. Cat's Tuxedo 03:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Playable Appearances?

There was once a list of playable appearances, which I think is signiffigant for a villain who's rarely playable. Why was this removed?

Because it wasn't in prose. All sections need to be in prose if they ever have a chance of being nominated for a featured article. Cat's Tuxedo 03:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ears

Does he officially have ears or not? In Sonic CD and Sonic Adventure I saw ears, BUT in Sonic Heroes and Sonic Adventure 2, I didn't see anything, so I thought they weren't part of his design anymore. But in the new artwork for Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games art he has them. So, does he have ears? Allyourbasearebelongtousomg 20:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I saw ears as well at the opening trailer of Sonics story in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Eggman Abilities

You think Eggman should have an abilities section. I was thinking we could use things like his strength, flying abilities, and his engineering capabilities.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 14:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Never mind I've done it myself.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Robot+nik

I should hope that nobody really thinks Robotnik was named after the Czech word for "slave worker". It would be most likely (as in 100%) Sega took the word "Robot", and added "nik" to the end to make him come off as a Commie. Many games and cartoons at the time used vaguely Russian characters as villains. Or is this just one of those things that Wikipedia won't accept without citations, despite the head-bashing obviousness of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.54.78 (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Seems more likely to be the Polish translation of robotnik which is simply 'worker' (which makes sense since he seems to work tirelessly on his creations and plans lol) Cigraphix (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree SEGA seem to be well educated naming all sorts of characters (mostly evil) that alot of people never heard of, to name 2 off the top of my head would be, Mephiles the Dark (named after Mephistopheles from the faust legend) and Iblis (named after the Islamic devil).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

found a pic

Hey guys! On the official Sonic riders Zero Gravity page (the jap one) there's a cool pic of the doc but I can't upload it... It's a flash website...Wolly da wanderer (talk) 05:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this the image you're talking about? [7]Fairfieldfencer FFF 11:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The Beatles - I Am The Walrus

The The Beatles song I Am The Walrus contains the line:

"I am the eggman
they are the eggmen
I am the walrus
Goo goo g' joob"

Considering the almost walrus like apearence Dr Robotnik/Eggman in the early games, is there any conection between the two, and has it ever been raised in any interviews with Sega &/or Sonic Team?  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a cowinkydink!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I need to interview his original designer (though I can speak Japanese and don't have the money to find them, and then I'd have to get the interview published so that it's not Original Research!), I know it could be a coincidence, but it's a rather odd one, concidering the Japanese love of pop-culture and Sega's love of referencing obscure stuff! (someone would have known what's going on)  Doktor  Wilhelm  18:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm...GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 03:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The rest of us will just have to sit on our cornflakes and wait... U-Mos (talk) 17:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out his Lennon specs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.159.187 (talk) 03:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

And walrus 'stache -Raltaran —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.206.147.51 (talk) 08:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Note

Should it be noted that in Sonic RPG, Eggman is finally defeated (And possibly killed.)? I found this in a new interview on IGN. 1 screen seems to show a rusted up old Omega.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 03:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you add a link to confirm that please.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 10:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Forget the link I just read it and didn't see anything about Eggman dying, (I did see something that looked like Omega though but thats probably an enemy robot).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

That's why i said "POSSIBLY KILLED". Yeah, it COULD be an old beat up Omega, but, untill it's confirmed, we shall assume that it's a new character, or enemy.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 17:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd like a link? (too lazy to search!)  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Here you go IGN. It's image no 14 for the Omega lookalike. (Personally I'm hoping it is Omega).Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

I don't think it should be noted. But you can put the part about Omega though, but chances are it's going to get deleted, but it might stand more of a chance if you add the image as a reference.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 20:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

I hope that Omega is a PC! Just don't let him die...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems a bit too black to be Omega, and it's more shaped like a swatbot (as seen in American sonic comics/media), I think it's most likely just a generic enemy! Anyways back on topic, Eggman is finally defeated at the end of every Sonic game (that he features as the prime villan), so what makes the game any different?  Doktor  Wilhelm  22:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, i think that they mean for good, as the NP article says that Eggman's gone for 2 years, and Sonic's gone on vacation, Tails interupts him about Knuckles. About Omega, now that you say it, it DOES look like a Swatbot, but the room looks like one of the bases where the characters interact, so perhaps it's a new NPC?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Though just because Eeegman is gone for two years, doesn't mean he's gone forever, also I think it would be hard for a 3rd party developer to kill off one of Sega most know villians, they may just be looking for a way to have a villian other than Eggman, but with the possibility on includding him elsewhere in the plot.  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...That could be true but, i find it HARD to believe that ol' Eggy'd leave blur boy alone for more than a few days...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Doc pic

I've found a pic of Dr. Eggman from Mario & Sonic that I think we could use. Doc picFairfieldfencer (talk) 14:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

You should add it Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 16:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

What Went Wrong!63.228.61.25 (talk) 18:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

People on this talk page dont seem to care about the facts!!! It's high time to set the record straight concerning many FAN-FICTION centered ideas and thoughts running wild on this talk page!

Example 1: The Name

His full name is Dr.Ivo Robotnik, and his Nickname is EGGMAN, much like miles prower is nicknamed TAILS.

Example 2: Drugs and Wikipedia dont mix

Although I have no proof I do believe that some people on this talk page may be high because their behavior is becoming childish and stupid!

Example 3: His Age

The Sega Team has given Robotnik no actual age! CASE CLOSED!!

Example 4: Edit Wars

Dont waste other people's time by making a bunch of stupid edits to wikipedia unless you have proof for your claims!!

Most Important:

If your going to talk and behave like a fool, then get off wikipedia and join a circus!!!!!!!!!

TOMORROW I'LL INVENT THOSE BLUEPRINTS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.212.146 (talk) 23:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Assessment as of 2008-09-18

Article has been rated C-class. You should consider removing the See also list: that's material that really could be better covered in the article's body for things that need to be mentioned there, and feels kinda ugly as a big list just planted there. Additionally work a cultural impact section into the article. The Alternate versions section can be trimmed down and made into a subsection of that dubbed "Appearances in other media" (a la Superman's article). Merchandising and Critical reception by notable third parties can also be covered there.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• It shouldn't even be C-Class with the amount of image copyright problems it has. Black Kite 00:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• "The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains a lot of irrelevant material. The article should have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant issues or require substantial cleanup. "

I'd say it fits that description.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you leave this to the Sega Project. I'm sure all you admins at WP:V are too busy to be dealing with a trivial thing such as this.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems are never trivial. However there's no problem with giving the Wikiproject a short time to clean up the images. Black Kite 11:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I was mainly refering to the articles class, but about the copyright; I've already removed one, if I remove another will the copyright problem be fixed? I'm going to remove the one with Eggman's concept art in the Secret Rings and put it in Sonic and the Secret Rings.Fairfieldfencer FFF 11:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the pictures and from a logical standpoint, the animation one is better to keep:

• It appears in another article as well, cutting down on the number of unneeded fair-use images.
• It conveys an image of Robotnik that was used more than once in different mediums.

The '06 one just appeared once.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the animated version of Robotnik also only once. Besides, this article mostly focuses on the game version of Eggman, so that image falls under the proper copyright to be here.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The article's focus is the character, which encompasses all versions Fair. Also the version was used in that Mean Bean Machine game as well, but by "more than once" I mean in individual episodes vs. the other being in only one game.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)