Talk:Domestic violence in Iran

Neutrality disputed

This article is currently very biased, no less in the lede where it declares that Iranian "cultural, political and legal systems that support violence against women". The tag should be removed until the bias issues are resolved.VR _talk 03:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Another issue here is that the article heavily relies on a single source, which itself has several bias issues. The source for example uses heavily biased language like "Now how sick is that", "Now how perverted is that?" "now that is truly disgusting", "the cross eyed Iranian sadistic judge" etc. The website doesn't seem to belong to a scholarly organization, or one that is usually considered an authority on facts. I think this source only be used with attribution and its claims be treated as the opinion of the author. Better sources can be found for the facts.VR _talk 03:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Iranian Violence Towards Women

This is an issue that has complex reasons for its existence - when one is aware of the many factors, one can more easily understand the many reasons why different types of violence towards women exists in Iran -some of these reasons are 1000s of years old, others have been in existence only since the inception of Islam, still others are more recent - problems cannot be corrected unless one knows the reason why they came into existence in the first place - there is no pat, cut-&-dried answer when questioning violence towards females in a civilization that has undergone 100s of changes in its 6000-year old history

So first, one needs to be knowledgeable about Islamic Family Laws of rank & position, including rank based upon the 3 types of marriages which in themselves are based upon degree of kinship; one must have knowledge of differences in tribal-based, acceptable customs of violence of the several major Iranian races; one must be aware of the fact that degree & type of violence towards women also differs based upon long-standing customs of the numerous levels of each social rank in Iran -

For instance, burying alive an unwanted newborn girl is unspokenly accepted in Arabic-ethnic mountain villages where Census takers rarely travel to, whilst it would be considered an unacceptable solution to a different Iranian race who have customarily been city-dwellers - what is considered punishable by death for one ethnic tribe would be no more than parental disobedience for a different ethnic race

It should be noted that the Parsees & the Iranis of India are Iranian peoples who left their native country to settle in India only some few hundreds of years ago, and these groups of 100% Iranian-blood peoples do not have Spousal/Gender based abuse towards females in their culture - why? this is largely becz of the type of socio-religious laws of these Zoroastrians

One must also be thoroughly familiar with the 'social' customs of patriarchal Iran, which in of themselves promote & maintain bias towards females - I am speaking primarily of the complex customs & rules of social conduct, a concept called 'Face' (literally, the waters of the face) - every Iranian lives by this edict of social interaction that is based upon premises utterly foreign to Christian-based thought processes - customs so alien that translation is required before these customs can be understood in the context in which they born - understood properly instead of being misinterpreted based upon Western concepts of ethical & moral behaviors

In addition to 'Face', one also needs to understand what Taarof (a type of social politeness) actually is - one also needs to understand that there are quite different rules (these are actually legal mandates) for a husband's behavior towards his wife and what type of behavior a wife is allowed to display towards her husband

Re this statement in the opening paragraph of this Wiki article, it is quoted: "Article 1108 states- If the wife refuses to fulfill duties of a wife without legitimate excuse, she will not be entitled to the cost of maintenance" - this statement is somewhat misleading & easily rectified by reading the Islamic Treatise of Rights codified in 680AD by Mohammed's direct 1st disciples (the 1st Imams) - this Treatise of Rights is still today the ONLY laws of marital rights used in Iran - Husband is required by Sharia law to provide maintenance (nafaquah) for wife & children - husband may legally withdraw maintenance for wife only if she refuses to perform 'wifely duties' (i.e., sex) - there simply were are no other legally mandated 'wifely duties' in 680AD - these Sharia laws have never been 'updated' to reflected the current concepts of what constitutes 'marriage'

When these laws were first codified, 1500 years ago, there was no Western/European concept of 'marriage' in Semitic culture - males simply purchased or bartered for a female in order to obtain the right to have sex with her, in return, he had to keep her after he tired of her & could not simply turn her out like Abraham did Hagar - these laws were initially created to differentiate between 'prostitute' and 'purchased female' -

One of the very 'legitimate excuses' allowed a wife in not performing her 'wifely duties' of sex would be if the husband is proven to be unacceptably violent during sex - the way this was determined initially was to have two imams or two tribal leaders be allowed to peek thru the tent curtain to witness said unacceptable act of violence - it should be noted that a wife was allowed to divorce her husband if he should prove to act in a sexually unacceptable manner - this was determined in the same manner by the two witnesses

Modern societies, especially Christian-based ones who do not teach their schoolchildren very much about ancient pre-Roman, Biblical-era Semitic cultures, will be unaware of the fact that early Semitic/ Mesopotamian cultures obtained women for the males of their tribes via exchange of goods - women were not considered to be any more than one's own personal, readily-available source of sex & provider of male children to strengthen the tribe - deeper relationships with this purchased female COULD be formed, but they were largely temporary & faded once the male lost his initial passion for his purchased commodity - men & women held entirely separated roles in these early societies - thus, a woman's sole duty towards the man who purchased her was to provide him with sex whenever he wished - and with this knowledge, one can better understand why such a law as Article 1108 was originally formulated by Mohammed's Imams, as this benevolent Sharia Law replaced an earlier one stating a man was allowed to beat to death a purchased female who refused to provide sex for her owner

When one learns of the origins of these early laws & social customs, then it is more easily understood how violence towards women slowly developed over a period of many 100s of years

Thus, it is very misleading/deceiving to teach/inform of but only one part of an entire concept/body of knowledge, such as what this Wiki article does

Isobel Chaveh (talk) 21:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Isobel Chaveh, per WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable sources, we go by what reliable sources state. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC)