Talk:Donald Glover/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hiya111 (talk · contribs) 18:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not really familiar with Glover, so I'm diving in cold with this article! Some of these points might be my nitpicking and personal style, so feel free to oppose certain points if you have a strong opinion. I hope you find them constructive. Thanks :)

Lead section

• "Glover won various accolades, including.." - Could this be shortened to not mention each category of award? For instance, this might be enough, "His accolades include two Primetime Emmy Awards and two Golden Globe Awards". The categories he won could be mentioned later.
• "The Lazarus Effect, Magic Mike XXL" - They're missing their year of release. What about mentioning film genres here? He's done a comedy, sci-fi, horror, superhero film. That might be useful to readers.
• First and second paragraphs both begin with "After". For his Grammy Awards, could they be mentioned in the same sentence? eg. "Grammy Award winning song and video, "This Is America".

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 17:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Career 2006-10

• "Glover was contacted" - How about "Glover caught the attention of David Miner, after he had sent writing samples to him.."?
• "Invited him" - hired him?
• What was the film Mystery Team about and how well did it perform? eg. He starred as a clueless detective.. The film did not perform well in the box office."
• "became known to a wider audience" - Did he? I think we could jump straight into "Glover played Troy Barnes, a former high school star quarterback in the NBC sitcom Community" [...] He left the show after five seasons.."
• "pursue his rap career as Childish Gambino" - Should you mention that's his stage name he adopted/generated? I know it's mentioned in the next paragraph, so perhaps omit the stage name from here.
• "Glover's musical stage name" - Could we also mention that this was the start of his musical career?
• "in 2010 and followed that July by his fifth mixtape" - This might need rewording.
• "then-upcoming" - I don't think we need to mention it was then-upcoming.
• "The campaign to see how far" - Could this be reworded to be more formal? eg. "The campaign sparked a viral response on Twitter.."

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 17:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Career 2011-14

• "While doing musical side projects while working on.." - Do we need to mention that? We could just write: "Glover approached Ludwig Göransson, a composer he previously worked with on the series Community".
• "In 2013, Glover signed on to create a music-themed show" - What does it mean by "signed on"? He was the creator of the series. Some background info in to how he came up with Atlanta might be interesting. It's about two cousins in the rap scene, right? (I know it's mentioned later, but might need to bring it up).

For chronological reasons (a lot of details of the show didn’t come out until years later) I believe the background aspect should be in the 2015-2017 section while the general parts are in that section. Trillfendi (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• "executive produce" - Personally, I don't like that term used as a verb. It sounds better as "serve as an executive producer".
• "To promote the album, the short film Clapping for the Wrong Reasons, written by and starring Glover" - This might sound better if rephrased: "To promote the album, Glover wrote a short film Clapping for the Wrong Reasons which stars himself and.."
• "Heartbeat" was certified Gold first in July 2014, then two years later in February 2016, Because the Internet was certified Gold. Might want to put this in order.
• Do you think a little more info on the films is useful? Was he in a supporting role, who's the director, commercial performance?

As far as I know, Clapping was a short film released on YouTube. The director was Hiro Murai. The To-Do List doesn’t make much mention of his role so it probably was just a cameo. Trillfendi (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• "FX ordered the pilot" - Ok, so now we're going back to Atlanta. I assume between 2013-15, FX were developing the show. Perhaps we could signal this by writing: "After two years in the works, FX eventually premiered the first episode of Atlanta.."

According to Glover, it took about 3 years to develop the show which he says is typical. But because of his music career people thought it was delayed or something. So I will expound on that. Trillfendi (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• "Glover writes, occasionally directs, executive produces, and stars.." - This might sound better as: "Glover stars as Earnest "Earn" Marks [...] He also serves as director, executive producer and writer." I think it's a bit of a mouthful to have it all in one sentence.
• What is the Pharos Experience?

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Career 2018-

• "released a single while performing dual hosting and musical duty on Saturday Night Live" - Do you mean he performed his new single, while serving as host and musical guest on SNL? Might need rephrasing.
• "Glover's performance was widely praised" - Says who? It was only prasied by Stephanie Zacharek in that source.

For this part I added two other examples of reviews where they opine he was the best part of the film. Personally I haven't seen it so I wouldn't know for myself. Trillfendi (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

• "Glover had been filming a secret project.." - Well, it's not a secret anymore and the details aren't unknown. Maybe this should be updated/removed, since one of the next paragraphs states that Guava Island was released on Amazon. What sort of film is it?
• "in partnership with app PHAROS AR" - I'm pretty sure Google partnered with Glover, to make the app. What does the app do?
• "expecting a second son" - They're not expecting anymore. We should update to the current situation, eg. "He and his partner.. have two sons".

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Summary

Some of the language could be tightened to be more encyclopaedic and formal (which I can help with), for instance:

• "shutting down media speculation" - ending media speculation
• "talks about what is wrong with the music industry and why he wants to quit music." - the lyrics include [...], a reflection of his negative feelings toward the music industry"
• "Time named Glover to its annual "100 Most Influential People in the World." - Glover was listed as one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" by Time magazine

Also, the transition between paragraphs might need to be clearer. Glover is obviously doing a film, then releasing music, then a film again etc. I think some paragraphs should explicitly state what he worked on next, eg. "Glover'next project was a film..", "He returns to music in 2016 with live performances..", "After this album, he worked on a film.."

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

References

These references are broken or don't link to the right place: 12, 22, 36, 43, 71, 72, 79, 83 and 116 is missing title

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Article looks mostly neutral, stable and illustrated with images. That's all for a first pass! Hiya111 (talk · contribs) 12:36, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hi @Trillfendi: Thanks for addressing my comments. I've just had a read and make some minor edits myself as it would be quicker. Let me know if you're okay with these as it's nothing major. I will have another read soon. This article is nearly, nearly there! Lizzy (talk 20:08, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hey @Trillfendi: Once again, I've made some minor tweaks to the article. Before I pass this as a GA, please fix/clarify these points:

• When did Glover become a member of Derrick Comedy? The lead section states he was in it while at NYU. But in the 2006 career section, it states "Glover also became a member of the sketch comedy group Derrick Comedy". I got a little confused.

I’m not exactly sure so I will look that up. I believe he joined the group toward the end of his NYU attendance. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• "certified platinum accumulating 1,000,000 in album-equivalent units" - Does that mean the album sold one million units?

A few years ago RIAA changed the definition of platinum to include streaming (for better or worse), so that does need clarification. Basically 1,500 streams now equal one album sale. The source itself of the RIAA website doesn’t detail how it got there it just says 1 million certified units, therefore I will put that. Seems he sold both vinyls and digitals. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• "the second to last show that we'll be doing before retiring the Childish Gambino pseudonym" - Is he retiring from music completely - do you know?

He hasn’t been very unambiguous about it, but a few months ago in a Jimmy Kimmel interview he said he still sees himself making music in the future because he enjoys it. So I think the pseudonym is the thing he is retiring... one of these days. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Note: For consistency, I have changed all instances of numerical values to words (eg. Number 10 = Number ten). Tour names should be non-italics. I've changed them all.

Thanks, Lizzy (talk 19:44, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok I will address those shortly. Trillfendi (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I've just done a final read-through. As it stands, this article now meets GA criteria. Thanks for your work on this! Lizzy (talk 13:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)