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Constant Unnecessary Pop Culture Revisions

Donald Trump is constantly doing publicity appearances to enhance his brand name in order to better sell his properties.

Does every single outrageous comment he says or amusing appearance he makes on TV have to be documented? I mean he has been doing these publicity "stunts" for decades now.

I have two suggestions before anyone makes 'yet another' pop culture reference:

1. Consider the overall context of his career and judge if this blurb proportionally is relevant within that context.
   For example: Try to keep in mind that almost his entire net worth is attributable to the real estate industry and not to the media industry.
2. Consider the overall body of work in his career and judge if this blurb proportionally is important relative to that body of work.
   For example, the statement he keeps making on impeaching Bush is certainly shocking and improves his TV ratings but given that he has been making shocking statements now for decades on end and given that he has little power to enact such an impeachment and given that he has written something like over 10 books which have whole chapters of shocking information, I hardly think one statement on a TV talk show merits entry on his Wikipedia biography page.

But, hey, what do I know? .... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristianLAX (talk • contribs) 14:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

His real name?

During a TV program they were talking about celebs and their real name. Donald Trump is not his real name according to this program. They even showed a video of someone on the streets calling his real name. He turned to look at the person then turned back quickly looking aggrivated. Possibly to show him react to his real name being called. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.6.216.46 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Mr Trump,i got ideas on how to revamp or bring new ideas for your apprentice show.Hear me out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edika yusof (talk • contribs) 06:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Ridiculing Rosie O'Donnell

This article completely ignores his ridiculing of Rosie O'Donnell (lesbian) over the last seven months. He has gone on countless shows dehumanizing her; calling her a hairy bull (which you know he means bull d!ke) to a slob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZaCnfNgLE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32577Hom08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgcwnpco-LQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcw91ZbyZGI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cECCdtVj_fs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YirvXioCpfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHzRfTpZEJc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p0-pDwbH28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrPaUjjmrVo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYLdMmBxPEQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73c2PQT0fjU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojWpMKQFrlc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WusKf5oPjgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqZ5SUnA_FQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJFzQWzwXHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7NNmZMLYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCCgWDevgYs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue3RwxXOZIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt4cgqXcfJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1anPG_lqX40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2BHN8Nm5gU

FLIP-FLOPPING on Rudy Giuliani

I find it extremely interesting that Trump would highly consider endorsing Rudy Giuiliani in the 2008 election. This is because he has stated on numerous occasions in interviews how much he is against the Iraq War, which Giuliani comfortably supports. This is also interesting because Trump will never admit who he believes would win the election; however clearly showing hidden support for the withdrawal of US Troops from Iraq in which Clinton supports.

Picture

You get the picture.

I'm reposting this section here until a section is made about the O'Donnell/ Trump feud. As much as Tendancer and Pester John (among others) want to absolve Donald Trump by erasing history that won't happen. It's history and it's on the record.

On December 20th, 2006, talk show host Rosie O'Donnell criticized Trump on The View the day after his decision to give a second chance to Miss USA, Tara Conner, who had violated pageant guidelines by partying and drinking. Trump, who owns the rights to the pageant, held a press conference and announced that he had decided to let Conner retain the Miss USA crown while she pursued rehabilitation. O'Donnell said that due to Trump's multiple marriages and apparent infidelities, he was not a moral authority for young people in America.

“ He's the moral authority. Left the first wife, had an affair, left the second wife, had an affair, had kids both times. He's the moral compass for 20 year olds in America. Donald, sit and spin my friend! I don't enjoy him. No, no no no. ”

She also called trump a "Snake oil salesman" and said that Trump went bankrupt numerous times.

In response, Trump began a media blitz in which he appeared on various television shows either in person or by phone. He repeatedly called her several unflattering, and perhaps even defamatory, names and even alluded to getting her partner away from her. He repeatedly threatened to sue O'Donnell and said that Barbara Walters regretted bringing O'Donnell on The View.

In response, Walters made a statement on The View about the feud.

“ Rosie is on a long planned vacation with Kelli and the kids, and not, I can promise you, with Donald Trump. ”

She read a statement from ABC saying Trump has never filed for bankruptcy, but several of his casino companies did file for bankruptcy but are now out of bankruptcy. She also denied that she was unhappy with O'Donnell being on the show.

“ Donald Trump also said that I am not happy with my decision to bring Rosie O'Donnell to this table. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have never regretted, nor do I now, the hiring of Rosie O'Donnell. ”

Some stuff about how wiki works

• per WP:EL, youtube links needs to be non copyvio, not to mention abide by all other wiki policies (WP:NOR and WP:NPOV are particularly problematic, as youtube links seems to almost always come attached with non neutral POV original commentary)
• There is a concept called WP:UNDUE as part of WP's chief WP:NPOV policy, which states NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each. In the context of Trump's career, this minor exchange with Rosie was a blip on the radar screen. If one wants to dedicate what seems like 25% of the article content to it, that is a classic example of undue weight.
• Regardless of what you think of Donald Trump (and what makes you think me or anyone wants to absolve him)? These opinions have no place in wikipedia. If a secondary source used the identical adjective, then it's permissible per WP:V if you borrow the same terms exactly without paraphrasing. In the meantime, clearly WP:OR-violating opinions or terms laced with negative connotations such as "Trump began a media blitz", "unflattering", "perhaps even defamatory" (this one additionally breaks WP:WEASEL) do not belong in an encyclopedia

The current edit is not too bad. It's bothersome the content is not supported by the reference still, but I think appropriate references can be found and added. If anything similar to this quoted version is added however, it's probably safe to expect numerous editors to want to delete it due to non-compliance with numerous guidelines on how to write an encyclopedic articles. Tendancer 15:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

His real date of birth

The intro paragraph and the biographical information under his photograph have two conflicting DOBs.

Intro: June 14, 1947 Picture: June 14, 1946

I have not been able to tell which is the correct DOB, and thus have not made an edit.

Does anyone know which is correct? Tockeg 00:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

After further research, I have pulled up no other sources citing his DOB as June 14, 1947. I have changed it to 1946. Tockeg 00:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Lawsuits in response to Donald's routine

In response to Rosie's comedy rountine, Donald's comedy rountine in the news seemed to also invite others to joke about lawsuits. I heard rumors of several entities threatening to sue Trump, which include the National Association of Truck Drivers, Barbara Walters, and the Emmy Committe. Should this be mentioned in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by I Go Moo (talk • contribs) 01:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

Can you give sources? --h2g2bob (talk) 23:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

World Trade Center Rebuild

I saw Donald Trump on the news about a year ago, proposing that the Word Trade Center be rebuilt almost exactly as before, and that he was going to be involved in an effort to do so.

What's the status? Is he still involved? Does anyone have any URLs?

No he's no longer involved. His views ie re built the twin towers was obvisiously very quickly passed.

stub

Does anyone know how to make a stub? I was looking at the retail stub at the bottom of all the Mills Corporation wikipedia pages. Trump should have one. E.g., here is a page I created for a Mills corp property: 108 North State Street. I just copied the stub stuff at the bottom, but don't know how to make one from scratch.

Wharton

How long did he go to the wharton school of buisness? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.167.53 (talk) 03:05, 2 April 2004 (UTC)

For a day probably, if his evaluation and decision making on the Apprentice is anything to go by. Wharton grads must cringe every time it is mentioned that the Donald went to that school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.9.4 (talk) 03:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Portrait image

I have listed the portrait image for deletion on WP:IFD because of its terms of use. Dori | Talk 13:27, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)

Does anyone have a good picture to upload? I think one is needed in this article. Rollo44 20:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry

Donald Trump is a German-American, his family immigrated from Kallstadt (Pfalz), not Baden-Baden , also from Kallstadt, Germany is Henry John Heinz of the H. J. Heinz Company, his son married Katharina Trump (1897–1987) of Kallstadt! Both families are still very close, socially and financially. AJV, Berlin

Somebody keeps putting up information that Trump's ancestors are from Baden-Baden Germany. This is from a German website "People from Baden Baden" (view this article's history, in particular http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Donald_Trump&oldid=3367622) that claims that Trump's grandfather (with the surname of Trumpf) came from Baden-Baden, and that Fred Trumpf changed the name to "Trump" to avoid anti-German sentiment. But page 66 of "Art of the Deal", written by Donald Trump, definitively says that his grandfather came from Sweden. Also, the Lehigh University information is also incorrect. (Wikipedia occasionally has people who will deliberately put in bogus information as a joke to see if people are gullible enough to swallow it).

I was the one who added the Lehigh connection, and it certainly wasn't a joke. I was relying on this profile from Selling Power magazine. If Trump describes his educational background in The Art of the Deal, I'd agree that it's a better source. (On some subjects I'd leave open the possibility that Trump was lying in his book, but he probably wouldn't lie about that.) Does the book discuss his academic career? JamesMLane 22:18, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Art of the Deal does discuss his undergraduate career, on page 77 of the paperback edition. Lehigh University is never mentioned nor is it in the index. An excerpt (from pages 76-78):

After I graduated from the New York Military Academy in 1964 I flirted briefly with the idea of attending film school...But in the end I decided real estate was a much better business. I began by attending Fordham University...but after two years, I decided that as long as I had to be in college, I might as well test myself against the best. I applied to the Wharton School of Finance at the University of Pennsylvania and I got in...I was also very glad to get finished. I immediately moved back home and went to work full-time with my father.

Buy the book -- it's only a $6 paperback (about the cost of a movie), and a good read. You'll find that he wasn't exactly born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and that following in the "family business" wasn't easy, especially for his older brother who became an airline pilot. It's all in the book.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

-- Anonymous—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

I know in the past there's been some uncertainty on the article about whether he's of Swedish or German descent, but I think it's the latter, based on a NYT obit I cited in the article Fred Trump:

Frederick Christ (pronounced Krist) Trump was born in New York City in 1905. From World War II until the 1980s, Mr. Trump would tell friends and acquaintances that he was of Swedish origin, although both his parents were born in Germany. John Walter, his nephew and the family historian, explained, "He had a lot of Jewish tenants and it wasn't a good thing to be German in those days."

Everyking 08:24, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

According to the Donald Trump article at German Wikipedia, the Trump family was from Kallstadt (pop. 1162), a town in Rheinland-Pfalz, and not Baden-Baden as often falsely reported. I think this article could use a "Personal life" section. If one was created, I would be happy to translate pertinent information from the German Wikipedia article, which covers far more of Trump's pre-fame background. Gilliamjf 06:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I've heard that Trump has Jewish ancestry. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.73.15.6 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Background

I'm nixing this:

His mother, who has family on Lewis in the Western Isles, probably named him "Donald", which in Gaelic means "proud" or "world ruler". AStanhope

I'm glad to see it go. I was never bold enough to remove it myself. Everyking 02:01, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Donald would have encouraged decisive action on our part. AStanhope

Is this our new standard for editing? "What would Donald do?" :) JamesMLane 03:42, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that it's a little much to call him a "staunch opponent" of the Iraq War. He expressed his opinion against it - it's not like he ran around speaking to rallies, funded anti-Bush candidates, etc.

Muddled sentence

I think the last sentence of the intro is a mess. Could someone who understands it rewrite it please? Thank you. Osomec 21:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

as he is rarely afraid of defining the ways of a prolific American business executive, and thus became an example of one.

I'm not quite sure what the sentence means.. would "setting the standards" be better instead of "defining the ways"?

Improper citation

This article uses exact sentences without quotation from the New York Times article: [1]. At the bottom is a citation, but I don't believe usage of exact wordage is appropriate. Am I wrong here?

Ufohoaxer 04:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Another item.. There is no "Jersey Record". Mike Kelly writes for the Bergen Record. I do not have an account and cannot edit the article. -Anon

I dug pretty hard for a citation on that one and couldn't find one on the 'Net, however in the process I found the paper is actually just called "The Record" (http://www.northjersey.com), sometimes referred to as New Jersey Record of Bergen County. I'll try to dig up what the paper was called at the time of the citation but it's possible neither "Jersey Record" nor "Bergen Record" was actually the proper name. Tendancer 18:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Trump University Language

The wording in the section about Trump University seems extremely one-sided, and almost seems to be taken out of a brochure for TU. I would doubt its neutrality.

"In 2005, Donald Trump launched Trump University ([4]), a business education company that blends his knowledge and experience with world-class curriculum developed by leading academics and business experts. Trump University was founded on the principle of "learning by doing", and its offerings include online courses, multimedia home study programs, publications, Web seminars, and more. Trump is a firm believer in education, and many of his media ventures, like the The Apprentice and the books, have a strong educational element. Trump University grew out of his desire to impart the business knowledge he has accumulated over the years and from his realization that there is a huge demand for practical, convenient education that teaches success."

• Agreed. deleted the spinnity spin.

Triggtay 09:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

question: Why do people keep putting "donald hump" and "dump"? I try to fix those usually. -- Dog_Eat_Dog_World

• This page gets an ENORMOUS amount of vandalism - usually once a day, but some days, more than once. It's amazing...why do people hate this guy so much? Or is it because people think they can find an easy target to vandalize so they can screw with the mods, but not make a giant public fuss (i.e. - by effing with a FA). Hmmm (--24.229.100.51 05:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC))

• Some of the vandalism on this page is pretty funny if you can be bothered sifting through the history page by page!

• People hate this guy because he's got the look and personality of a douchebag. But props for knowing how to make money.

• No, people hate this guy because he is an untalented idiot with a huge ego and unwarranted self-importance. It doesn't take any skill to take daddy's money, hire people to make developments, sit back and realize the profit while the market appreciates and file bankruptcy or default on loans like a little bitch when the market takes a downturn. The vandalism should stay in my opinion....

The hair

Something really ought to be said about his hair. Anybody want to take a stab at it? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 10:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

That's certainly a striking picture on this article... 80.47.129.222 16:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree his hair should at least be mentioned. What should be said about it though? RealFerrari 13:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's not split hairs about his hair as it will become a hair raising topic. Anyway its going to be a case of hair today gone tomorrow. It is hairdly worth the effort.

His hair will never make it onto the page because Trump's people will make sure to remove all reference to the odd creature that eeks out an existence on his scalp

No need to add it to this page. It's already been memorialized as an illustration for the word "comb-over" in urbandictionary.com. FirthFan1 21:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Donald had a baldness treatment called scalp reduction performed in the late '80's. They cut out the bald portions of his scalp and seemed together the parts with active hair folicles; after that it began to grow at bizzare angles from the top of his head. It was experimental at the time. Obviously It doesn't work.Chacherenyc 11:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

His hair style is called the COTTON CANDY COMBOVER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.98.169 (talk) 23:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

His bizarre hair / bad hair piece is one of the things he is known for. Therefore it should at least be briefly mentioned in the article, IMO. --78.20.107.167 (talk) 11:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Trump concentrates more on "Premium" things

I realized that, whenever people see the name "Trump", they think that it involves luxury buildings and high-end dwellings. IMO Mr. Trump is actually focusing more in the premium end of Real Estate and that is why I had to note in the beginning of the article that Trump always has been a name of luxury living, and when the building is built with the Trump name, IMO it is likely to have a high cost, so that is why I had to note that Trump is more into premium real estate as opposed to just ordinary real estate. Take note of that. — Dark Insanity 03:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Donald Trump's father

Did Donald Trump's father's death bail Donald out of his debt? Many biographies about Donald Trump give the impression that he brought himself out of debt by successful business skills(bias?). If so I would like at least two or more sources other than this one:

<http://www.itp.net/business/features/details.php?id=3356&category=arabianbusiness>,

How do we know that this source is creditable (since so many sites suggest that Donald brought himself out of debt)? On another note, parts of the biography are copied from this site. Doesn't that violate copyright laws? This article needs more comfirmation that either Donald brought himself out of debt or that his father's death saved him. Pseudoanonymous 03:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

ACN - endorsement

A recent edit added an ext. link for this organisation, as Trump had endorsed it. Does this imply that it belongs in the article as a result? Should the section just include organisations where Trump has actually purchased a significant share in the company, perhaps? Link remains in the article at present, until this is decided on. --OscarTheCat^talk 19:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Its definately a little controversial as ACN is a pyramid scheme... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.133.128 (talk) 06:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

About Building Ownership

"Many developers pay Donald Trump to market their properties and be the public face of their projects. For this reason, he does not own many of the buildings that display his name"

Technically, except for the commercial buildings, Trump only owns the commercial portions of his other projects, with minor exceptions like a few units in Trump Tower, etc. Once the condominium unit is sold, ownership is transferred from the developer[s] to the owner. So Trump Tower is the aggregate of at least a hundred individual owners.

Not exactly. Trump Tower is not owned by many people; the individual apartments are owned by their individual owners. Moreover, the lower half of the tower is composed of office space and retail space. Trump owns that entire portion. The retail space, in particular, is extremely valuable. So--as a previous writer said above--in all his mixed-use buildings that contain residential condominiums, Trump only owns the other portions of the building (plus any unsold apartments). Nevertheless, these commercial spaces are extremely valuable in their own right, and alone make Trump very wealthy. I estimate that the retail portion of Trump Tower alone is worth at least seventy million dollars, without even considering the office space (of, I believe, thirty floors). 66.108.4.183 22:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC) Allen Roth

Charitable Giving

Not clear whether this section belongs in the article at all. However, in case it does, I cleaned up the prose (which was editorial more than encyclopedic) and added two references to thesmokinggun.Fluxdrip March 27th, 2006

Grammar, Use, and Editing

definition: such; of a kind or character to be indicated or suggested <a bag such as a doctor carries> OR, of the same class, type, or sort <other such clinics throughout the state>, OR of the character, quality, or extent previously indicated or implied <in the past few years many such women have shifted to full-time jobs> (Definitions courtesy of Merriam-Webster).

I removed "such" from this sentence (subject of humor by comedians such as David Letterman and Regis Philbin.). These two comedians are not a kind of comedian. If the objective was to specify these two, among others, then another word is needed. Make changes or suggestion, or I will change in two days. Suggestions: 1). subject of humor by comedians like David Letterman and Regis Philbin. 2). subject of humor by many comedians including David Letterman and Regis Philbin. (preference)

Also, when I edit I try to keep as much as was originally written, except when it is blatantly subjective or not substantiated. I think that we should take the time to edit our additions into the existing context, possibly re-writing it altogether. Just removing a period, adding a comma, and appending our contributuion leads to terrible sentences and confusion.

"such as" is an acceptable idiomatic construct meaning 'for example.' A variety of reliable sources, such as dictionary.com, confirm this use. Fluxdrip

An encyclopedia is not an appropriate place for idioms, especially if its entries are to have broad understanding. If it is the concensus that we violate this rule, okay. The sentence could be clearer to anyone if constructed differently.(Gary Joseph 00:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC))

Red words replacing what's really there.

Eg, "ex-wife Ivana Mantohugandkiss." with Ivana Mantohugandkiss in red, but when I got to edit it, that's not there, only Ivana Trump. How is this done?

Criticism

In the Daniel Radosh article "Famous For What?" (appeared in Radosh's Radar Magazine, and the article is not entirely about Trump, but about famous people's children using their name for fame), he writes:

“Faking it has almost no relationship to talent whatsoever. All that matters is that one’s perceived success outstrips any actual accomplishment. Consider Donald Trump, a businessman whose first job was delivering newspapers from the back of his dad’s limousine and who later parlayed his family’s great wealth into a $3 billion hole of debt. Sure, the fact that his creditors didn’t slit his throat is something of an achievement, but, as with his hit TV show, his triumph has more to do with his outsized persona than with his business acumen. You know those fancy Trump Place apartments that The Apprentice winner Kelly Perdew is overseeing as his prize? The Donald owns only a minority share of them. As with many of “his” properties, other, more solvent owners have let Trump put his name in gold letters on the buildings because it adds $150 a square foot to the condo prices. In the new-fame era, fake success equals real money."

I'd say this is a valid criticism. Trump is not one of the biggest real estate moguls in New York City, but he's often portrayed that way. He wasn't self-made, and that blurb points out that he was, in many ways, a failure at business whose name kept him afloat and helped him get loans. His father was wealthy, and Donald turned that wealth into debt. The real reason Donald is famous is for being in the public eye, not for his achievements. I'd like it if this article pointed out more that he is more a public figure than an accomplished business man. The Radosh article points out something notable, that Trump is paid for the use of his name, but business owners don't trust him to actually manage these buildings' finances.

I beg to differ. While Trump did inherit a sizable business from his father, he took it to an entirely different level. When Trump took over his father's company, it was worth about forty million dollars. While I have no exact idea what Trump's companies are worth today, it is clear that not only did Donald manage the business superlatively, but he also created a "brand name" that, in itself, is of great value. I am no fan of this tacky personality but, after nearly 25 years as a small real estate devloper myself, clearly see the magnitude of Donald's achievements as a businessman. If one uses the Forbes figure of his wealth as 2.69 billion, that indicates a cumulative rise in value of nearly 24% annually. Just to illustrate this accomplishment for us ordinarily-successful people, it is as if we started up a business with a twenty-five thousand dollar gift/loan from our father (or maxed-out credit cards), to have a personal wealth of nearly nearly 5.5 million dollars in 25 years. Not bad. So, while he did begin with a considerable business, his personal achievement remains undiminished. The fact that he (or his companies) emerged successfully from a terrifically difficult bankruptcy in the course of his career, only adds to the magnitude of his accomplishments. And as for the criticism of his wealth as deriving, in part, from his "lending his name" to others' projects: The creation of a brand name is an achievement in itself, as any valuation of any business will show. Donald created the value of the Trump name almost completely by himself; his father, Fred, had only limited success in this regard. It is a legitimate, considerable and valuable achievement in its own right. 66.108.4.183 22:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC) Allen Roth

net worth

I don't think his net worth is anything near that. . . .

"O'Brien, a New York Times reporter who has covered Trump's businesses for more than a decade, wrote in TrumpNation, that In The Art of Being the Donald, The Apprentice star had repeatedly exaggerated his wealth and "was not remotely close to being a billionaire."

The book actually pegs Trump's worth "somewhere between $150 million and $250 million," hardly chump change but a figure much lower than the billions the mogul says he has accumulated, and one he claims in the lawsuit is "grossly misrepresented."

Why was his net worth removed from the article?

do you really think that he can own all those buildings and companies with and only be worth 250 mil? be serious please...doing the apprentice in it's self, he got millions (3 million an epiosde)...please guys Jack745i

If you read the O'Brien article, you will see that the Forbes is self-reported, and Forbes takes your word for it. O'Brien on the other hand breaks down his known public assets and debts. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 05:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Trump on Trump: Testimony Offers Glimpse of How He Values His Empire
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124261067783429043.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 871x (talk • contribs) 13:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Donald in israel

A big project in Israel is also being developed with The Donald. . . .

gevaldik! 08:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• Quite a strange phrase here: "Donald Trump was initially known for his name and its association to a lifestyle and several buildings, bearing his name..."

- er... surely the name became known only after the man became famous???Palefire 10:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

GA Failing

No Fair Use Rationales, wild links in the text, the references don't have enough detail in them, you need them like -

"Title of page", Website.com. URL Accessed June (when you last read it), 2006.

Please see WP:CITE and WP:FAIR. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Trump Princess

There was a link to a photo of the yacht, the Trump Princess (now Kingdom 5KR), a few days ago, which has since been removed by vandalism. It was one of the biggest yachts in the world at the time. I read on a forum somewhere, that when Trump went bankrupt, he brought down the great Italian yacht builder Benetti with him (they finally seem to have recovered now). Not sure if this is true.

Content?

Excuse me (I may be missing something), but I seem to have noticed that there was a lot of content just recently here.[2] However now, it's not there. Also, from the link I just mentioned, look at the first paragraph under "education". Is this vandalism? I don't want Wikipedia to have a bad name. [3] Once again, please forgive me if there is a logical explanation for this that I may have overlooked, as I was just browsing and noticed diminishing content. ViperBite 03:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry, I see that the page was reverted :)ViperBite 03:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Is this true or a clever vandalism?

Trump is an avid fan and expert of the mighty god Thor of Norse Mythology. His interest in the god is so great that as a boy he spent his spare time working on his skill with large hammers that represented Thor's powerful hammer Mjolnir. TonyTheTiger 20:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It sure sounds like clever vandalism to me. As this statement is still unsourced five months later, and you've already archived it here on the talk page, I'm going to remove it from the article. If anyone has a source for this, add it back and cite it. Perel 22:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Heads up - In the music video for Bobby Brown's "On Our Own" (Ghostbusters II soundtrack), Trump appears in the video walking in front of his building. - Ethan

Recent Content Removals

As many of the others above have noticed, a lot of content has been removed. It was vandalism, and the reversions went back to other vandalized versions. This page should be protected.Gary Joseph 16:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Carolyn Kepcher

Hopiakuta 01:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Photo of Trump...

I want to use a photo of Trump on a book; who do I call for permission?

Probably one of the Miss USA winners, 'cause Trump does seem to have a cloooose relationship with them.

Template:Trump Empire

If you look at the history, you can see that when I was still a newbie wikipidian, I inquired about making a template (thinking it was called a stub). I have taken a stab at one. See Template:Trump Empire and comment/edit as appropriate. In a week or so, I will try to append this to most Trump related stuff if there is no major objection. Feel free to help me overcome my organizational skill deficiency.TonyTheTiger 19:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess, like anything else Wiki, I should just make my best judgement call and wait to be corrected. I am adding the template now to all appropriate articles. TonyTheTiger 15:23, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Net worth?

I watched an interview with Donald Trump on CNN minutes ago, and he himself said that he is worth well over 6 billion. I haven't added this but I think it should be.

I read a book stating that in fact Trump only has a net of 200m. (pounds that is). Source: The Frist Post, a magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.84.138.101 (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

i dont think his net worth is as high as 6 billion nor as low as 380 million $. i think his net worth is somewhere between 1.2 and 1.5 billion $ Upol007 (talk) 05:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Is Trump rating viable encyclopedia material?

Is Trump rating viable encyclopedia material? If it is, it should be moved out of the career section as it is not in the same order as the rest of the article. Sirtrebuchet 14:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I have removed it. Seems very unencyclopedic. meshach 01:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Rosie O'Donnell Feud

Currently the headline just reads that they have a feud on this page.

But I also just read that Rosie actually has edited this page, and has written some stuff (possibly not all truthful) about Trump and his finances.

This situation needs to be remedied. I am not an expert on either person but someone with some sources should clear this up.

To Rosie and Trump, if you read this: Wikipedia is not a place for your feud, and no one here would appreciate you running roughshod over the article. If you need to do any feuding, MySpace and other social networking sites are great places to begin.

The frequent editors here do not appreciate feuding in an article either, and they can and will just delete your entire articles, and more if nessecary. I've already gone and made a few recommendations to have this article under watch and later if need be we will lock the article. ****

I have upgraded this section and added citations. Before anyone deletes it, please discuss it on this page. Thanks. Gamer83 22:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe the article on Donald Trump should have his alleged bankruptcy information in it, especially since much of it is lacks any source. In addition, it was written in a biased manner. The article states that Donald Trump "stuck" creditors with losses, which is inflammatory. The party that added this article is obviously not neutral.

Donald Trump's entire page is dominated by the "Rosie O'Donnell Confrontation." There is more on this matter than any other aspect of his life. This needs to be addressed post-haste. With the negative angle of the "Bankruptcy" article and the negative aspect of the "Rosie O'Donnell Confrontation", the page has turned into a personal attack on Donald Trump.

Please sign your posts with four tildes. Allegations that have been published in reliable sources such as professional newspapers are acceptable as long as they are cited and attributed, e.g. "John Smith of the Small Street Journal said ..." As for the size of the section, you are correct: see undue weight. The importance of this media feud is very minor in relationship to the man's entire career. --Dhartung | Talk 03:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

We can successfully avoid any domination in either of O'Donnell's biography or Trump's with THIS article. Any and all new information can be inserted there without overshadowing in their biographies. -- Rollo44 02:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the entire section and wrote a two sentence summary in the trivia section. Feel free to flesh it out a bit more, but any more than a small paragraph is excessive. GrahameS 03:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• I've moved the following from the article to discuss it's inclusion...
  • Rosie O'Donnell referenced this article in a weblog entry [4] entitled "Wikipedia", dated December 20, 2006, 8:43 p.m. as evidence in the aforementioned feud.

Should it be included in the trivia section? Self-references to Wikipedia are against WP:SELF and unless it plays a major part in the development of the story, I don't think it should be included at this time. Any thoughts? -- CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 06:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It isn't a "self-reference", it's a legitimate citation from a valid outside source. It's a fact.

Davidkevin 06:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• Ummm.... It is a self-reference, the link references back to Wikipedia. It says she referenced it in her blog. I'm not denying that her referencing the article is interesting; however, it's self-referential and it's against WP:SELF. If a larger section was created in the future, it should be referenced there, but I honestly don't believe it should be in the main article. NOTE: Please don't insert it back into the article until we have reached a consensus. I don't like revert wars ;). -- CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 07:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

What part of "reference to outside source" were you not able to understand? That she referred to the Wikipedia article is a fact, and the source of that fact is her own weblog, making it very definitely not self-referential, which in this context means "referring to another Wikipedia article as a source" which is not the case here.

I don't like revert wars either -- so don't start one by deleting an outside-sourced fact because you're misinterpreting the "no self-references" rule.

Davidkevin 07:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not denying that it is a fact. I'm kind of asking two things:
  • Is it against WP:SELF. Please read the following quoted straight from the policy
    • Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so our articles are about their subjects; they are not about the articles themselves. If publicity regarding an article is significant enough to include in Wikipedia, the information would not be included in that article unless it was relevant to the topic of the article itself. For example, a discussion of Stephen Colbert's call for vandalism of the Elephant article might be appropriate for the articles on the Colbert Report or Wikipedia, but not for the article on elephants—the incident, although widely-publicized, had nothing to do with the actual animal. A very rare exception to this is the article on John Seigenthaler, Sr., because the media attention surrounding his Wikipedia entry is now a notable event in his public life.
• And is it relevant in a trivia section? I would appreciate if you would allow time for others to weigh in -- CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 07:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• My two cents: One, I do not think that this controversy should be focused on so much. In a few days it will boil over. Let's not add to the fire. Two, if we are to keep a section on this controversy in the body, then it must be short. If it is going to be as long as three indefinite paragraphs, then it should be a new page just on the controvery. Creator1981

• Please see my arguments made HERE at the bottom of the section Donald Trump Controversy. Rollo44 12:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC) Rollo44 02:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• Rosie O'Donnell and Donald Trump Controversy -- Rollo44 15:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Bankruptcy

Donald Trump has never declared bankruptcy. The information in the bankruptcy section is misleading or erroneous. According to Fox News Channel reporter David Asman, who reported on Your World with Neil Cavuto: "We want to make this crystal, perfectly clear: Donald Trump never, never has had to file for bankruptcy, not ever." The bankruptcy section if included at all should be moved to the Trump Organization page.

SOURCE: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179665,00.html Mkw92108 04:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The article is quite factual and never stated Trump has filed for personal bankruptcy. In fact it explicitly used the term "business bankruptcy". I guess in an arguable sense it can be deemed misleading; however, it's not the job of a Donald Trump article to elaborate on the differences between chapter 11 and chapter 13. Rosie's ignorance/lack of understanding is not reason to alter what seems a pretty factual section. I say it's fine as-is. In a month, no one would care anyway. Tendancer 04:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• The bankruptcy section has been updated with citations from various articles reporting on Trump's businesses that have filed for (and gotten out of) bankruptcy over time. The article never states he filed for personal bankruptcy, only that he was close to it due to the recession in 1991, and it was referenced from a Time magazine article. [5]. -- CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 06:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • But maybe the terminology is misleading to people. Trump was in "bankruptcy protection", and bankruptcy connotates a destruction of business and debts to people. You policy experts can decide.70.66.9.162 07:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually no the article (at least currently) never states Trump was in "bankruptcy protection". It states several times Trump's companies were in bankruptcy protection, which's a BIG difference. While that can be confusing and hence misleading to someone unfamiliar with finance, it really isn't the responsibility of this article to elaborate/educate folks (Rosie?) on the different types of bankruptcy--there is a whole wiki article on Bankruptcy just for that. Tendancer 18:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
      • My unreliable understanding is that he never faced formal bankruptcy, but like most Americans was at some point carrying a lot of debt, which is not bankruptcy, but still highly undesirable. Rollo44 20:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
        • The whole point of setting up a limited liability company is that it can go broke, and even owe people money, but you will still not have to pay a cent to them from your own pocket - you won't lose your house and car. Saying "I was never bankrupt" by drawing a distinction between personal bankruptcy and the company you run and own going bankcrupt is making a clever distinction which is not necessarilly morally relevant. O'Donnell was not necessarilly wrong, but she wasn't very specific and didn't go into detail regarding corporate law. - Matthew238 03:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Trump started out as a multi-millionaire because of his father and is now really just a promoter for money coming in from Asia. He's not the financial genius that people suggest he is but is only someone born wealthy who was able to make use of the money he already had. For laughs, I suggest listening to some of his CD's on doing business. They are very funny because they don't impart any real knowledge on how to become wealthy (since he was already wealthy) but instead serve as a platform for him to give his views on unrelated topics and what famous people he knows. Absolutely hysterical listening for a long car drive. And while he has never declared personal bankruptcy, he has had a number of his businesses in bankruptcy. But because of his promotional skills, he is still able to attract investors. Jtpaladin 16:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Undue Weight on BK Now?

With the bankruptcy section now pretty thoroughly cited (from its zero-citations state just a day ago), I actually find the article to have undue weight on the bankruptcy instead of his real estate successes. While I'm not a fan of The Ego, and find his attitude on "The Apprentice" rather on the unappealing side, there's no denying the man's success in real-estate, and his talent in self-promotion. As I researched his bankruptcy, sources cite that he inherited $150 million from his father (yes, I'd say that's a pretty damned good start), but he did manage to build it into a billion-dollar empire, nevertheless. (http://www.responsiblewealth.org/press/2004/notalonereportfinal.pdf, which in turn cites 'Richard Conniff, The Natural History of the Rich (New York: W.W. Norton, 2002), p. 266.') Hopefully other editors have an idea as well on how to make this a more balanced article. Tendancer 07:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Unattributed Quotation in article

In the Wikipedia article as of 20December2006 10:06 AM Zulu, we have the following: ". . .In 1995, he combined his casino holdings into the publicly held Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts. Wall Street drove its stock above $35 in 1996, but by 1998 it had fallen into single digits as the company remained profitless and struggled to pay just the interest on its nearly $2 billion in debt. Under such financial pressure, the properties were unable to make the improvements necessary for keeping up with their flashier competitors. . . ."

Compare with this article: ". . .For several years, the new company enjoyed double-digit stock prices. His personal fortune in turn also skyrocketed. And, the man who came close to losing it all leapt onto Forbes' most wealthy list.

Yet, Trump's public company would eventually fall again. Within a few years of soaring high prices, the company stock had fallen into single digits. The one-time powerhouse company remained profitless and struggled just to pay the interest on the $2 billion debt. Trump claimed that the properties were unable to make the improvements necessary for keeping up with its flashier competitors. These financial troubles led to Trump's second trip into bankruptcy. . . ."

-Monica Sanders, LegalZoom article "How Does Trump repeatedly file for Bankruptcy and still stay on top?" http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/article_content/article13737.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.201.204.9 (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Trump's brief political career

Shouldn't there be some mention of Trump's brief political career as a potential Reform Party candidate for U.S. President?

i think so

Donald's Mother

"Born to Mary MacLeod Trump, native of Tong, Isle of Lewis in Scotland,..."

I shortened this phrase, and moved it to the first paragraph. I just stated that the mother was from Scotland. That is sufficient. --johno95 23:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't really understand why you've removed that information - surely if you know exactly where in Scotland she was from it's fair enough to put that in there? Do you have something against Lewis?!?! AllyLamont 12:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)AllyLamont

• Maybe you could start a separate article, on the details of The Donald's Pedigree. Meanwhile, the Big Question is, does her hairstyle look like his? Wahkeenah 13:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Would someone please add this to the beginning of the Career section? I was wondering how Donald made his first money, and read this on his Trump University site. I'm trying to render it here in unbiased languaged:

Trump began his career at his father's company, the Trump Organization, and initially concentrated on his father's preferred field of middle class rental housing. One of his first projects was the revitalisation of the ailing Swifton Village apartment complex in Cincinnati, Ohio - turning a 1200 unit complex with a 66% vacancy rate to 100% occupancy within a year. He purchased it at half of the price of its original construction, and beautified the property with better landscaping, colonial wood doors on every apartment instead of the previous metal doors, and shutters on every window. He also concentrated on cleanliness. When the Trump Organization sold Swifton Village for $12 million they cleared $6 million in profit.

In the 1970s he benefited from the financially strained New York City government's willingness to give tax concessions...

Trump started out as a multi-millionaire because of his father and is now really just a promoter for money coming in from Asia. He's not the financial genius that people suggest he is but is only someone born wealthy who was able to make use of the money he already had. For laughs, I suggest listening to some of his CD's on doing business. They are very funny because they don't impart any real knowledge on how to become wealthy (since he was already wealthy) but instead serve as a platform for him to give his views on unrelated topics and what famous people he knows. Absolutely hysterical listening for a long car drive. And while he has never declared personal bankruptcy, he has had a number of his businesses in bankruptcy. But because of his promotional skills, he is still able to attract investors. Jtpaladin 16:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

His dirty dealings

What about adding some info about his dirty real estate deals or at least attempts? Years ago he was trying to use eminent domain to force a woman to sell her home to him for a casino of his. He didn't like her house near his casino. I don't remember what happened in that.

Also, now he is voiding many sales contracts of his condo preconstruction sales for his Trump Tower Chicago. He sold units prior to construction to help secure bank financing, and now that units are selling for much more than they did when there was nothing built he wants to cancel the sales because he doesn't want his initial investors to profit. Here are some links to articles about this story.

• Trump dumps 'Friends and Family'
• The Donald giveth & The Donald taketh away
• Trump undoing deals

--Kalmia 06:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There needs to be more of that explained.

rapper

donald trump named in a list of rappers page WTF !!!--SPOOKY CALIBER GONNA EAT U UP LIKE PIE !! 10:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

He did a drop (promo) on a Lloyd Banks mixtape, be did not rap.Supreme2k1 02:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Supreme2k1

Can someone who knows what they are doing....

Revert the article back so it has it's categories again? I would but I don't know how to do it.172.145.159.42 01:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Ms. Katie Rees...

Donald Trump is nothing more than a hypocrite and is WRONG for holding double standards. I mean, Katie Rees came along, asking for a 2nd chance, the same thing that Trump gave to Tara Conner. Trump and the Miss Universe Organization ought to be ashamed of themselves. 24.7.217.221 03:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

GA failed

The article can not be passed with all of those citation needed tags. Add sources to those, and any ohters you think should have them and resubmit later. --Nehrams2020 17:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

WWE

He is not the owner of wwe raw. The deal that happened on Jun 15, 2009 was a hoax. http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/ge-wwe-violation-securities-law/ 68.90.60.128 (talk) 11:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Where is says that he bought raw, that was a hoax. http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/wwe-usa-networks-could-face-sec-probe_1107317 68.90.60.128 (talk) 04:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

his recent involvement iwith WWE and involvment in an upcoming match at Wrestlemania should be included69.9.30.38 05:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, but let's try to keep the fancruft to a minimum, the paragraphs concerning the 'Mania match were already getting pretty long. Zipster 19:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Why should it be included? This is a current event with minimal (if any) press coverage outside of WWE itself, and as such fails WP:V. Editors who add it also never cite a source (and once cited a joke page from WWE website with fake quotes from Paris Hilton etc), in the process ignoring WP:NOR, WP:RS. This is not a slam against WWE--I used to be a mark back in my high school days--but the extremely unencyclopedic nature of this trivial current event does not warrant mention in an encyclopedia. Trump makes innumerous public appearances because he craves publicity and it is un-encyclopedia to record them all: "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" , if months after it remains notable for whatever reason than it may be inclusion-worthy, otherwise, they are trivialities. Tendancer 05:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys, I'm actually the person that put the WWE bit into the article. I believe it should be there as the section is labled "other ventures" and this is another "venture" isn't it. So why shouldn't we put it in, it is as important to that section as anything else to go in there. That is why it was added. Please replace the section on his WWE ventures. Thank you 89.243.34.251 19:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

As I said below: according to WP:PW policy and standards, references to announced matches that have not yet occured do not go into articles. While I realize Donald Trump is far out of the realm of WP:PW this has to do with professional wrestling, therefore I believe the same rules should apply. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 19:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is a minor spelling error in the WWE section: "Finnally he is in the corner of Bobby Lashley at Wrestlemania 23." Also, that sentence almost seems unencyclopedia-like. Anybody willing to attempt to make this better?

MCAhass 15:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed the WrestleMania 23 reference. In accordance with WP:PW policies and style guide, announced matches that have not yet occurred do not go into articles...as I said twice above. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 15:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Vince Macmahon

Is noone aware of the whole thing over at the WWE with Donald Trump challenging Vince McMahon (not sure of the sp) to a wrestling match, with Vince then agreeing that each choose a champion to fight for them, winner shaves the loser's head? I am not a wrestling fan (at all) so i don't know the whole story but this certainly seems worthy of addition to the page, especially if his wrestler loses (I am sure that it won't work out that way) and trump loses his combover WookMuff 14:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

See above conversation regarding this matter. Although I would like to add that according to WP:PW policy and standards, references to announced matches that have not yet occured do not go into articles. While I realize Donald Trump is far out of the realm of WP:PW this has to do with professional wrestling, therefore I believe the same rules should apply, not to mention every reason stated above by Tendancer. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 16:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Well colour me ignorant, I scanned the index but didn't see the WWE one there. Thanks for the response to what many would have ignored or poked fun of :) WookMuff 17:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Cheers, Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 18:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't the information about the match on the page? Sha0000 24 March 2007

See the conversation above this one regarding the matter (how many times must I repeat myself??) Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_{Leave Your Mark} 16:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

CNN Media Quote

Its not copyright infringement b/c the clips are for educational purposes provided by political commentator Michael Beckham http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=michaelbeckham (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 20:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hair

We need to add a section for Donald Trump's hair. 71.68.17.30 16:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No, we don't. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_{Leave Your Mark} 16:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we do.

Not a section, an article!

Um, in the bit near to the bottom about his hairstyle, could someome please add about how it is constantly mocked by david letterman, as a 'thing on his head'? It seems slightly significant

I'm not either of the people above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.5.180 (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Edited media section

Just moved his recent wrestling involvement to the bottom because it is the most recent newsworthy thing for him. Nuttyskadork 22:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

What about the most recent Trump vs. Rosie verbiage? Just as Rosie decided to leave early, Trump phoned in MSNBC live, and berated Rosie to a degree far exceeding what he had ever done before (which says a lot :o ) -- Trump phone call to MSNBC in video clip "Rosie quits 'The View' early": http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=c3a3ad4e-b6fb-4ab6-a3fc-1be5b26cf1f0&f=00&fg=copy 199.214.27.4 18:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the WP:PW

This has no application here due to the fact that on numerous occaisons, mainstream (i.e. non WWE/Wrestling) sites have CONFIRMED that this match has been officially announced. Donald Trump is not a pro wrestler and this article is NOT a STUB in the PW Wiki therefore the policies of the WP:PW have absolutely no bearing whatsoever here! His involvement is important enough that it deserves a mention! Nuttyskadork 22:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The article does not fall under WP:PW but the event itself does, so I believe the same policies about upcoming events should apply. Not to mention, you can't wait another three days before adding it? Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_{Leave Your Mark} 22:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It was said earlier that it was of unknown importance and should only be added if it is still notable four months after. Yes, I realize this is just a publicity stunt by the Donald but it is certainly a notable one. Irregardless, we should get at least one or two other people's opinions on this matter as this is NOT clearly guided by the rules, and this whole "edit war" is merely two different opinions and/or perceptions on how a rule should be interpreted. Nuttyskadork 22:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree it's notable, I just don't think it should be added until the match on Sunday night, after then I couldn't care less. I also agree about getting other people's opinions. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_{Leave Your Mark} 00:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Nutty here. Don't think of it as a single match. Think of it as a series of appearances on all three WWE televised shows over the last couple of months leading to Wrestlemania and varying amounts of independently published media coverage over that time. You can even theoretically tie in the Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnel "feud" to this string of WWE appearances (since that was the hook the WWE used to involve Trump in the storyline). So even if the match never took place, the fact that Trump spent almost two months on and off working with the WWE on this project and the news media did mention it over that time makes the project as a whole easily worth noting in Trump's article. Dugwiki 20:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Phrases

Something should be mentioned about his lines "Total Disaster/Catastrophe"

Lead Picture

Why is he shown with his wife on the lead picture. Surely there should be just a mugshot of Donald by himself. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 12:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Trump in the '80's??

Why is the discussion on his career so light? It briefly goes over 2-3 of his deals in the 70's and then fast forwards to 1990. (!?) This article is so incomplete and unbalanced. How about a timeline of something? At least SOMETHING about his career in the 80's....ChristianLAX 20:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC) ChristianLAX

By all means insert (and source if possible of course) what you think should be added and the rest of us may be able to tack on additional details and fill in the blanks. I think this article is not far from becoming a "good article" on the Quality Scale and filling in that gap will help...the majority of unreferenced sections have been sourced and cleaned up. The only things needed is to add more relevant career details--in the mean time minimizing and cutting down on the "In popular culture" type WP:IPC/WP:TRIVIA/WP:UNDUE references, usually involving WWE and Rosie O'Donnell etc). Tendancer 16:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said before I think someone has tried hard to hide all of trumps failures.Mantion (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that a large portion of this article is the result of a PR firm

There are too many strange mistakes and blatant omissions from the Trump article for it to, in my humble opinion, be useful to anyone looking for objective information. Here are just a few:

--the Trump World Tower is not on Columbus Circle, because 5th Avenue does not touch Columbus Circle, which is on the other side of the park.

--no mention whatsoever of the steadily declining ratings of The Apprentice through its seasons, with the Apprentice LA being the least successful of any of them, by a large margin (neilsen ratings based)

--no mention whatsoever on this page concerning his son, Donald Jr.'s recent troubles in his condo building in New York, where his son was forcibly removed as board president "in a coup d'état during which tenants alleged "arrogant" and "belligerent" behavior and dubious management practices by the board." (ny post)

--no mention whatsoever of his repeated, public litigation threats to O'Donnell, nor details about its resolution--which is public domain information

--very, very iffy claim about the recession in the early 90s leading to his most major financial woes--which is HIS claim. The claims of the banks involved, including Chase, one could say are not precisely in sync with Trump's claims.

The list goes on and on. It's quite clear that if this is going to be an objective biographical article, it needs to entirely re-written. As it stands, it's merely someone blowing his horn for him and getting him a lot of very positive and free publicity.

Yttrx 16:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. It is a bias article. This biography should also contain a criticism section. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 12:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Well i am glad you guys saw exactly what I saw. I don't know if it has to have a criticism section but maybe a "Failures" or expanding the financial problems section. Those who know anything about Trump, they know any property he touches get a lot of media attention, then fails miserably.Mantion (talk) 23:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Um, there's a pic right on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_and_Tower_%28New_York%29 showing the building parked right on Columbus Circle. As for the other stuff, there's a huge bunch of cited information regarding e.g. his business bankruptcies. That it was caused by recessions is a CITED claim. Some might hope there's more tabloid drivel, they're kept to a minimum primarily because 1) WP:UNDUE and 2) half are barely (if at all) encyclopedic. If one wants to discuss Apprentic declinging ratings, there's an Apprentice (tv) wiki page. Ditto his son Don Jr. Tendancer (talk) 04:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Aberdeenshire golf planning proposal

Anyone else this section is too detailed? --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 19:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Shouldnt we add about today, the 3 of november, thatthe proposal has been given the go-ahead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.16.205 (talk) 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Other ventures

near the bottom of this entry, it states that he recently called for the impeachment of President Bush, I would like to see a reference for this, thank you --Pewwer42 (talk) 09:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Correct me if I am wrong.

But someone put the famous phrase that Donald Trump says as "You are a Penis".

If I am not mistaken, I think it is "Your Fired" ApsbaMd2 (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

No Controversy Section?

Virtually every other wikipedia entry on a controversial figure has a controversy section. Why does Trump's entry fail to conform?

68.6.105.156 (talk) 17:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Can be this controversy: £ 1billion "world's greatest golf course"

This will be the historical greatest golf in the world: Mr. Trump will testify on June, 2008, as first witness at the Aberdeen Exhibition and Conference Centre (AECC) inquiry (ordered by Scottish ministers) after an Aberdeenshire Council committee denied his plans to build a £ 1billion golf resort north of Aberdeen, the "world's greatest golf course" at the Menie Estate. Environmental groups and local campaigners opposed the bid, because of he future of the sand dunes but business leaders supported the would-be world-class golfing Mecca. Trump flew announced that: "It will be the greatest golf course anywhere in the world; There'll be nothing even close. The fact is it will be something very special, there won't be anything like it."news.bbc.co.uk, Trump £1bn golf inquiry tees offpressandjournal.co.uk, Tycoon’s actions critical to outcome--Florentino floro (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions before Good Article review

Before this article is reviewed, I suggest adding more references to paragraphs that don't have any. I also recommend that the lead is expanded to at least two paragraphs, or even three, per WP:LEAD. Gary King (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, we shall all try :) Cheers. Tendancer (talk) 00:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Some of the references are also missing publisher and access date information. Gary King (talk) 01:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This is not easy :) The overview section seemed redundant (or at least, could've been put into the lead) and I "disintegrated" that of sorts--most went into the lead, some other info (e.g. about his hair) better belonged elsewhere. There's a big chunk of info missing about his business resurgence when he went from 900 million in the red back to 2 billion ~1997, which's really quite significant for his career...gonna try to add that + references. Tendancer (talk) 03:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hm, with so many things that still need to be done, perhaps this should be withdrawn from GAN first and then re-submitted when ready. Gary King (talk) 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hm, looks like a two-hour job, hardest part is finding the time to do it (being sunday night already). What do you think? If GA on review takes a while to "queue" I'd rather keep it, otherwise yeah I think it's a good idea to get it more ready first. Tendancer (talk) 04:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand the idea that GAN can take a while for a review (honestly, some have taken up to a month), but as a reviewer myself, I would prefer it if the article was ready. The worst thing is a reviewer picking this up and then seeing it is not ready. Personally, I'm trying to help keep the queue as short as possible. Gary King (talk) 15:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha, lest it gets reviewed in a less-ready state, I'll remove the GA submission first...thanks for all the helpful feedback. :) Tendancer (talk) 04:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

DONALD TRUMP IS A BIG STUPID DOO-DOO HEAD —Preceding unsigned comment added by That Crazy Man from China (talk • contribs) 00:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The Apprentice World-wide WikiProject

Please contribute to the relevant discussion here, as this discussion relates to this article. Thanks, Dalejenkins | 15:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Good grief

Trump's comments on CNN about Iraq and the state of the economy totally impressed me. The man (whom I had previously hated) has come out of the closet and has done something very good. --andreasegde (talk) 22:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Trump Reviled In Rancho Palos Verdes

Trump continues to file lawsuits against the city of Rancho Palos Verdes (South of Los Angeles), the latest one being for $100 million. http://www.latimes.com/sports/golf/la-me-trump20-2008dec20,0,5980956.story He has also sued the school board in the past. Many, if not most residents of RPV moved there because of the superior school district. Trump's lawsuit means that all of the money collected by PTAs and other groups goes to his lawsuit, rather than the education of of RPV children. For this reason, Trump is personna non grata in this area. Shouldn't the article at least mention this? 66.80.222.104 (talk) 22:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)Dave

Archiving Talk

Notification that I intend to setup archiving for this talk page using MiszaBot. I am thinking 180days? -- Mjquin_id (talk) 23:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

"evoked a clause in the contract"

"Arguing that the crisis is an Act of God, he evoked a clause in the contract to not pay the loan and initiated a countersuit asserting his image has been damaged.[21]" I think this means to say he invoked a clause in the contract. Not to mention the whole thing sounds like a silly publicity stunt and there might be some NPOV way to indicate that it could be taken at less than face value if the cite bears that out. 140.247.250.53 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Howard Stern

Trump has done Stern's show quite a few times over the years. From the time when I started listening to the show regularly around 6 years ago, he's been on the show at least 5 or 6 times... I'm sure he's been doing the show long before I became a listener though.

This should be added to the article as a quick mention. Trump once had a fight with a guy on the show, it's memorable and I've heard it a couple times on replays, but I can't remember the details... Someone should look this up. Just a suggestion. 71.100.196.146 (talk) 05:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

donald trump is an asswhole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.43.220 (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Donald Trumps Hair

This should most deffinitly be included under the "In the Media" Section, it is without question one of his trademarks and has been the subject of parody and ridicule for years. A list of all of its appearances should be gathered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.60.166 (talk) 06:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

SCOTTISH NOBILITY FOR BARON DONALD TRUMP?

I RESIDE IN THE ABERDEEN AREA NOT FAR FROM WHERE MR TRUMP'S NEW GOLF COURSE VENTURE IS ABOUT TO BECOME A REALITY. THERE ARE A NUMBER IN THE LOCAL MIDST WHO ARE AGAINST THIS VENTURE BUT NEVERTHELESS IT WILL COME TO FRUITION........EVENTUALLY.IT IS NOT GOING TO BE STRAIGHT FORWARD AS THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SMALL LEGAL OBSTACLES IN THE WAY, HAVING BEEN PUT IN PLACE SINCE IT WAS CLEAR HIS PLANS WOULD PROBABLY SUCCEED.
    HOWEVER, WE KNOW D.T. HAS SCOTTISH CONNECTIONS AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT HE GET A PROPER FOOTHOLD HERE IN SCOTLAND BY BUYING A CASTLE IN THE AREA WHICH HAS AN HONORARY TITLE OF "BARON" WHICH THE NEW OWNER WOULD INHERIT.THE ASKING PRICE FOR THIS RESPLENDENT HOME......A MERE £2.3million.
    THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT DONALD...GO ON AND HIT IT.

– —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.35.72 (talk) 23:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Librarytalespublishing, 29 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Trump began his career in his father's company "Jamaica Estate Holdings", which was later changed to "Trump Management", when Donald Trump decided to make the move to Manhattan and make it on his own, he founded "The Trump Organization".

Librarytalespublishing (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Donald Trump is a Jew

This is no defamation but the truth, please include this in the article. --93.82.6.5 (talk) 08:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Unless you can provide a reliable source that states this, no. He is part of the Reformed Church in America. Airplaneman ✈ 02:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Donald Trump's net worth

The right side panel of the page list Donald Trump's net worth at negative two billion dollars, but the Forbes link that figure cites claims Trump is worth a positive two billion dollars. That is an important distinction that needs to be fixed. 173.27.27.194 (talk) 12:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

{{Edit semi-protected}} It says 'Donald Trump is considering running for President in 2012'. This is false. The references point to websites which do not suggest this. Please remove.

 Not done The references are valid. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 07:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Coolsywtf, 7 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} The right side panel of the page list Donald Trump's net worth at negative two billion dollars, but the Forbes link that figure cites claims Trump is worth a positive two billion dollars. That is an important distinction that needs to be fixed.

Coolsywtf (talk) 02:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done--Talktome^(Intelati) 02:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Reformed Church in America?

The Reformed Church in America article lists Donald Trump as a "notable member" of that denomination, but this article lists him as Roman Catholic and makes no mention of the RCA. I did a quick Google search and turned up this article, which made passing reference to Mr. Trump as a member of Marble Collegiate Church, which is part of a subdenomination of the RCA: http://www.andrewcusack.com/tag/dutch-reformed-church/. I have seen several other sites that mention this fact as well. I am not very experienced at Wikipedia editing, so I am hesitant to proceed without a more specific citation.

He isn't particularly well known for anything relating to his faith, so I am not sure how big of a deal it is to include this in his article. As far as I can see there are only two mentions: one in his background, stating him as a Roman Catholic, and one in the bio box, listing the same.Josejuan05 (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Zmh2a, 27 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Donald Trump's religion is listed in this article as Roman Catholic. Please change his religion to Collegiate Reformed Dutch Protestant Church, since this is his actual religious affiliation and can be verified on WikiAnswers as well as several other websites. There are two mentions of him being Catholic in the article that need to be revised. The citation used as a reference saying that he's Roman Catholic is incorrect. Trump's membership in the Collegiate Reformed Dutch Protestant Church is also mentioned in an article about the church itself, citing him as a notable member.

Zmh2a (talk) 02:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. WikiAnswers is not a reliable source. It is a wiki. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 04:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

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