Talk:Doncaster

Scawsby

Scawsby redirects here, but it isn't mentioned - if anyone knows what or where it is please fix. Thanks.Mddkpp (talk) 04:30, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Scawsby is a outlying village/town that is part of the Metropolitan Borough. If not mentioned in the article, then it probably shouldn't be redirected here, but it may well merit its own entry. 195.88.237.18 (talk) 11:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Done, not much in the new article but perhaps someone from there may wish to contribute. Jodosma (talk) 20:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Tractor production

why use a clearly American image of a IH tractor !! it should have one of the IHGB produced machines to be relevant - 88.104.135.168 (talk) 17:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I've changed the image to a tractor in use in Britain. This may not be the best image available. I found it in Wikipedia Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Case_IH_tractors which has loads more to choose from. Feel free to pick something more appropriate to illustrate Doncaster's tractor history. Emeraude (talk)

slight re-order

The intro of this article seemed to be getting a bit choked with claims about 'major' regeneration projects, so I have proposed making the language a bit more neutral and moving these elements into a new paragraph in the economy section. I hope that's helpful, but am open to ideas if it could be presented better. John Snow II (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Old English.

Is this really needed? No real complaints - I like Anglo-Saxon, but is this a language really notably involved with Doncaster? --Somchai Sun (talk) 19:05, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I removed it, then removed it again. It is not standard practice to have Old English place names in the lede - and with good reason, as it's not a widely spoken language at all and doesn't seem to have any real special significance to Doncaster today. It doesn't belong in the lede, plain and simple. It's covered in the history section, where it is supposed to be. --Somchai Sun (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

The "Swag Master"

I've tried to add something about the "Swag Masta from Doncasta," Louis Tomlinson, and it keeps getting reverted. Why? For many people, especially those outside the UK (and even some within it, if they don't live in the north), Louis is the only reason why they've even heard of the town. 128.206.196.196 (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Probably because he is already mentioned at List of people from Doncaster so doesnt really need to be mentioned in this article. MilborneOne (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree, Louis Tomlinson is the pride of this city Doncasterbabe123 (talk) 21:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Main photo for Doncaster

Is a photo of "Cleveland Street" really the best and most iconic part of Doncaster?

As a random nobody who has just come to Wikipedia to find out about Doncaster, that photo made me burst out laughing. Surely there must be something more relevant that can be posted there than some balding bloke walking next to a bus lane?

At least mention something in the main text as to why Cleveland Street is such an important photo that it has to be the image that represents Doncaster.

Thanks for a good laugh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.167.123 (talk) 22:36, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering exactly the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was given such prominence by someone who doesn't like the place. Lovingboth (talk) 13:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps something like this may be better. MilborneOne (talk) 15:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh yes... please change it to that much nicer looking historic image. Maybe the photo of Cleveland Street was put in as a bet? I think you'll find it was the guy in the photo who did it as a bet. Trying to get famous as "the face of Doncaster" - well, "Back of head of Doncaster". 86.10.167.123 (talk) 12:12, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Just dropped in to say "Yay!! Well done". Whoever it was who changed the photo on the page - well done. It looks so much nicer now. I may actually want to visit Doncaster. And if that bald bloke tries to sue you for removing his photo I'll start a whip round for the legal fees. 86.10.167.123 (talk) 17:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Anon user back again. Curious as to why the bot has deleted the nice image of Doncaster. Is the bot part of the anti-Doncaster conspiracy? :D When you click on the image on the left here in the Talk section it is clearly marked to say that the uploader took the photo himself. Yet that bot seems to claim a different copyright. How do you argue with a bot? And where is the bot finding that copyright information? And if the nice picture is not allowed, does this mean baldy will be coming back again? Is baldy the bot? 86.10.167.123 (talk) 11:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

The bot removed a different image that was added on 17 August that had clear copyright and sourcing problem, original image put back. MilborneOne (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

In which Riding?

2602:304:CDA6:51B0:AC64:A996:A00E:C445 (talk) 00:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

West Riding of Yorkshire. MilborneOne (talk) 15:02, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Doncaster is most definitely in South Yorkshire! Doncasterbabe123 (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

South Yorkshire was never a Riding. Only West, North and East were actual Ridings; South Yorkshire was created from the industrial southern part of the West Riding of Yorkshire in 1974. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

NEED HELP

Hello my name is Alisa. I am from the company q-home UK, we recently bought a Clock Corner in Doncaster and we are searching for a writer, who can write an artical in wikepedia about this clock — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisa1239 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea what a "Clock Corner" is but if it was noteworthy then somebody would have written about it, have you any sources or references that say it or whatever it is is notable enough to be mentioned. MilborneOne (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

It's quite a specific claim/request. Clock corner was/is the corner of four streets (or gates) with a clock on top. There's been one there since the early 1700s in one form or another. It was a popular meeting place at times. I can only assume they bought the clock and not the entire corner, lolz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orbtastic (talk • contribs) 13:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Roman history

The first section of the road to the Doncaster fort had probably been constructed since the early 50s...

The road from where? Must we assume you mean London? Valetude (talk) 22:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Lead issues

Before re-editing please go to here to discuss a consensus for the lead and other articles [[1]] DragonofBatley (talk) 10:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Don Gorge

Not explicitly related to this article but I feel an article is needed for the Don Gorge, the valley of the River Don to the west of Doncaster near Sprotbrough. It is labelled on signposts in the area and as a geographical feature, I feel it needs its own page. Green450 (talk) 09:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Green450 Y Don Gorge. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

It was never formally returned to England

This statement seems to be pretty questionable. See: https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20211019-the-scottish-town-stranded-in-england 87.175.159.118 (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC) Legally its still scottish but it is defacto english till scotland formally hands it over86.30.52.72 (talk) 16:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Use of infobox UK place

This is not necessarily an issue exclusive to Doncaster, but the articles of all large UK towns. Would the general settlement infobox not be better than the UK place infobox on articles like this? The information that can be presented in the UK infobox is perfect for villages, hamlets, small towns etc, as there is not a great deal of information needed to be shown. However, on articles such as this, as well as Barnsley, Wakefield and Middlesbrough for example, it is difficult to define precisely what the article is covering given most large towns and cities are unparished - are we talking about the borough, built-up area or built-up subdivision? Infobox settlement means data such as area and population can be presented neatly for all of them, avoiding ambiguity. Furthermore, data such as elevation and mayor can be shown, which would be useful for Doncaster.

The infobox settlement is used on articles about settlements with similar characteristics to Doncaster, such as Sheffield, Bournemouth, Blackpool and Lincoln. I know some argue that the Doncaster article is about the town, not the metropolitan borough, yet many articles about towns that are the principal settlement and namesake of boroughs/districts give population and area statistics about the whole district in their infoboxes, even when there is a separate article about the district. Again, I like this as it avoids ambiguity.

Is there a reason infobox settlement cannot be used on articles like Doncaster? Please discuss. Green450 (talk) 15:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Request for consensus on lead summary

Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography

Hi all hope your enjoying your Christmas so far.

Could I ask for a concensus going forward on Doncaster.

I ask because it is constantly getting changed between minster and market town by certain users. I find some articles saying market town and others saying minster town.

Now the main parish church of Doncaster was granted official minster church status in 2004. That status usually adds the word "minster" to the town. As is the case with Rotherham, Dewsbury, Halifax, Howden and Beverley.

While these have markets or market charters. They use minster town, Doncaster seems to be caught between both due to it having a market charter but also a minster.

So I'm thinking going forward something like "Doncaster is a large market and minster town in South Yorkshire, England". Or "Doncaster is a large minster and market town in South Yorkshire, England".

I know large is questionable but given its size, it is the second largest town in South Yorkshire after Sheffield.

If a thorough concensus could be reached for Doncaster, that be great. I have used sources which use minster town for Donny, even BBC have. But others use market. So a thorough concensus would be appreciated.

Maybe down the line the use of minster town might want to be debated too.

Happy Christmas

DragonofBatley (talk) 07:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

• The current lead is far from ideal, with very convoluted sentences. The simpler version of 2 December before recent flurry of editing, seems fine though could perhaps benefit from a mention of the Romans. PamD 08:10, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
• And can we please spell "consensus" right? PamD 08:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

How about just calling it "a large town" in the lead, and dealing with the niceties elsewhere? As an outsider who is aware of Doncaster but not an expert, neither piece of categorising information seems essential or worth fighting over. Dave.Dunford (talk) 08:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd go with Dragon on this but lose the word large as that is always subjective. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Agree with just town in the lead, minster town is hardly a commonly used term and I suspect most people in Doncaster would not have a clue what it is. It can all be explained in the article, certainly being a market town is an important characteristic. MilborneOne (talk) 08:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Just to add this discussion should really be on the Doncaster page. MilborneOne (talk) 09:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

• The term "market town" is a common one, readily understood by many readers and explained at Market town. Market town status had a significant effect on a town's character and development, and often still has, so "market town" usefully characterises the town. "Minster town" is an obscure term, not explained on Wikipedia. The Church of England's 21st-century designation of some parish churches, such as Doncaster's, tells us nothing about the history of the town or its status, and there is little reason to assiume it will have any significant impact on the town or its people. It does not characterise the town. NebY (talk) 11:43, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
• Some English cathedrals and other prominent Anglican churches are called minsters. Towns with one are minster towns. End of discussion, in my view. Bmcln1 (talk) 11:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I mean Doncaster as my sources found use minster and market town so like Halifax which I read thoroughly on. Minster is used for them not sure with Rotherham Dewsbury and Howden even Beverley though DragonofBatley (talk) 15:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Not a city yet?

If it's to become a city "later in 2022", why is it labelled as one now? Lovingboth (talk) 08:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Correct. I was unsure until I read a bit more into it earlier on after changing another article. But you are right, it is still a town until the official Letters Patent is issued. The article should reflect that until that time. 79.70.80.80 (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

City status

Is the pendinge city status granted to the settlement of Doncaster or to the whole borough of Doncaster? Keith D (talk) 21:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Should have seen the almighty discussions years back on the Leeds talk pages about their status with the City of Leeds.

It's the borough as the designation is granted to the local government entity which usually has the same name, not really any different to a conventional tightly bounded city, the built-up Doncaster settlement is not a parish/district/county, and is just effectively a 'city centre' with lots of 'inner' city greenspace, and widely scattered 'suburbs'.

Of course with the immense pride involved, it won't stop locals insisting on it being one.

Picture of the letters patent proclaiming the grant explicitly to the borough (Twitter) The Equalizer (talk) 02:21, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Jubilee City

Recently Doncaster has been promoted to city. 27.85.206.169 (talk) 05:05, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2022

Change ‘town’ to ‘city’

(Doncaster is now officially a city) 195.188.131.239 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: It won't officially be a city until later in the year when the paperwork has been done. City status is already mentioned several times in the article, just search for "city". -- Dr Greg  talk  20:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Doncaster is a city

Doncaster is now a city? 195.188.131.239 (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

See above in many previous discussions. Until the letters officially arrive to make it a city like with Southend. It's still a town until the council gets the patent from Queen handed to them for official city status DragonofBatley (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Origin of the name Doncaster

The article states that Doncaster is named after the River Don. I have read elsewhere that town was established by the Romans as a military staging post and that they called it Danum Castrum (Danum Camp). The pronunciation and spelling changed over time to Danecastre and eventually to its modern form of Doncaster. The article does mention Danum camp. What is the correct derivation of Doncaster? 2406:3400:345:6E00:C891:575C:611E:1352 (talk) 08:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

According to A. H. Smith, the name Doncaster means Fortification on the River Don. Ekwall states the name is Old English, with the river name deriving from an old word for water. The name of the settlement around the time of the Domesday Book was Dano, and later the Old English Ceaster was added. Ceaster was originally a Latin word (Castra), which became an Old English loanword meaning city or walled town. The joy of all things (talk) 12:24, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Why does Skippy not have his own section?

Skippy is an iconic part of this great city (now a city NOT a town). The fact that Skippy does not have his own section is a crime! Please sort this out. If you don't know who i am referring to see this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBkr1WTavus). Many Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doncasterbabe123 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

That person is not wikinotable - as in, they do not have an article about them, and I doubt that there are sufficient Reliable Sources to create such an article. Sorry. The joy of all things (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

The joy of all things, this was not a user editing in good faith, but someone now blocked for vandalism. I wouldn't remove your comments without permission, but you may feel free to revert the vandal's ramblings. Cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:0:0:0:3597 (talk) 21:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't look at their other edits, just trying to be nice to the newbies! Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I caught them when they decided to go an a little joyride across some articles. Best, 2601:188:180:B8E0:0:0:0:3597 (talk) 22:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2022

Request description of Doncaster be corrected to City of Doncaster after this was inaugurated by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as part of her Platinum Jubilee New Cities. 82.44.40.144 (talk) 12:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2022

Change 'Doncaster is a minister town' to 'Doncaster is a city' 2A02:C7E:1A5D:6D00:7053:6F46:AABA:BB2C (talk) 10:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2022

Doncaster is now a city and no longer a town so please change the phrase "minster town" to "minster city". 63.125.124.34 (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: See discussions above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2022

Doncaster is now a City please change as it states it’s a town. 92.19.44.31 (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: If only you'd looked above, you'd see this already been requested and delayed five times. The reason for the delay hasn't changed.  Dr Greg  talk  19:23, 30 July 2022 (UTC)