Talk:Donetsk National University

Partition discussion

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No consensus on whether the article should be split. The point by the opposition that there is actually no material to be split is persuasive, despite being in the minority by number. The proponents of the split have not repudiated this argument. Felix QW (talk) 12:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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The article should probably be splat, seeing how there're apparently two universities: one formed in evacuation, and one formed from the teachers and students that remained in the city. Openlydialectic (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes - that would make sense - It does not seem this will be resolved in the near future, and has been on-going for five years. Icewhiz (talk) 11:14, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

In Ukraine, University has to have the governmental sanction of Ministry of Education (especially when talking about "national" universities), thus nothing that left in Donetsk can claim they are the University.

Also your point "... one formed from the teachers and students that remained in the city" is wrong, since those people who organized it are either had been filed from DonNU long time before the conflict started (so-called rector Baryshnikow), or did not have any relations to this university at all. On the other hand, there are sources for a) the rector speach, where he claimed that most part of professors were registred to move to Vinnytsia due to evacuation; b) public documents that says those who did not registred are filed from the University; c) the site of registration (now closed, but links to their data could still be found on the Internet) with the counter of students registred in evacuation - about 7 thousands of 12 th. In Ukrainian system, students have to re-apply for the education after the forth year, so thats about about 1/4 of all - which is 3th - they do not have to be accounted due to the secondary apply process. So 7th out of 12th become the actual 7th out of ~9th. Since there were also "free auditors" programms before the actual evacuation, for students to learn in other universities, and at least 1th of 1-2-3-rd year students did apply, it is at minimum 8th out of 9th students in any Ukrainian universities. Which implies, that 1 thousand students - is the total of = 1) undercounted free auditors + 2) those who leave the education or delayed it + 3) those who might possibly left in captured campuses of university to continue the education. I doubt they had even 100 of previous 12 000 students (15 000 actually, but thats a different story - another ~3 000 had graduate in 2014 year, while no 1-years applied to replenish them). It is more likely, that they had gathered those who had not passed exams, and some agressive youth of illegal armed organizations - to continue "educate them" in the walls of university instead of their previous status of "russian patriotic movement for youth" and something like that, to make it more pretetious.

So no enough of "the teachers and students that remained in the city" were actually exist to start from, if you mean the teachers and students of DonNU before the war had started.--Realmentat (talk) 13:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Split into what? This short article is chiefly about the common history from 1937 to 2014. There’s about two lines about the split, and almost nothing that applies only to one location or the other. Let’s talk about splitting when it’s grown into two enormous sections that don’t belong in one article. —Michael Z. 16:17, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

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