Talk:Dornier Do 335/Archive 1

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Tempest's speed

"In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed (equal to a P-51 Mustang's), ..."

As far as I know the Tempest was faster than the Mustang at treetop level. The P-51 reached its Vmax at much higher altitude, the Tempest was optimized for low and medium altitude fighting.

Who's giving the orders, here?

The article says the 335 was stopped on Göring's orders; I've always understood it was Hitler's order to stop all projects. No? Trekphiler (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Built by munchkins?

The page says "DWM (Dornier-Werke Muchen)". Isn't that correctly München? TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 22:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Citation for Pierre Clostermann's "The Big Show"

The best I can offer if for the Penguin paperback edition, as follows:

Clostermann, Pierre. The Big Show, Penguin Books, 1958, p.215.

91.85.174.16 (talk) 13:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC) Jeremy Withrington, 19 February 2010.

Nickname

The name 'Ameisenbaer' was not official. It was a nickname given due to its long nose and relatively bulky body. This is mentioned in 'Warplanes of the Luftwaffe' ed. David Donald pub. Aerospace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gr1bble8s (talk • contribs) 08:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

A-12

Cant see a mention of the "A-12" variant a two-seat trainer that was test flown at Farnborough as AIRMIN225 ? MilborneOne (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Fastest Prop driven plane of world war 2.

Im going to have to say it is. And the speeds that are shown on this plane are NOT right. They are FAR too low from the sources i've read. Please correct before revision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.47.239 (talk) 07:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

On display at the Deutsches Museum

The article states that it was there until 1986 but I saw it there as late as 1989. A minor point but can anyone shed any light on it?Flanker235 (talk) 10:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Best of the rest

I agree, a cite for "best possible" would be desirable. If "best" is to remain, however, a cite for that, too, would be needed, or the entire claim should be removed. I suggest a cite tag for it is better than removing, since the performance implies the claim is accurate. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 05:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Many aircraft have been great on paper or even in tests, but failed miserably when introduced to the reality of actual service, much less combat. "Best possible" isn't really knowable to any degree of certainty. The rest does need to be cited though. - BilCat (talk) 05:58, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair point. In that event, I have small complaint with taking out the whole statement, absent cite. (I'm not thrilled with that, but it beats the options.) TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 10:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Its better emoving the whole section until a source supporting surfaces. Reads ok actually now. Irondome (talk) 20:43, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

We need a pretty convincing reference for such a preposterous claim

The article says -- unreferenced -- " The aircraft was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51s. The Do 335 was easily able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 minutes before the P-51s ".

That is about 600 miles. If the Mustangs averaged 400 mph they would have taken 90 minutes

Meaning, a DO 335 would have needed to average 800 mph to do it in 45 minutes.

Look, I know I have generalised here, but seems to me this claim is too far fetched for words and should be removed. Moriori (talk) 01:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Support removal. It has been 10 months now and no supporting evidence has been produced. It is far fetched. Ditch it. Irondome (talk) 13:01, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Survivor(s)

Article claims there is only one surviving Do335, but there is at least one more. The Manfred Pflumm Museum in Germany has an unrestored example, it was still there in June 2014 when I visited. F104G (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Removed StGB 86a reference.

I just deleted the part about the swastika being removed for the display in Deutsches Museum, München. For one, StGB 86a does not apply to educational displays (like museums). Wikimedia has plenty of pictures of WWII warbirds on display in German museums with the swastika. And even if they did remove it for that display thirty years ago, why would it matter one way or the other in the scope of this article? Superfluous information, and unsourced / doubtful. Hence, deleted. -- 145.228.61.5 (talk) 12:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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needs references. the information in here is all good. the article is structured rather oddly, but not badly. gives a good account of the developments leading up to the Do 335, and an unusually long account of the sole surviving example, but not a lot about the Do 335 itself. Dornier planned a host of different versions and developments of the Do 335, including versions with long span wings, with a jet engine in the rear (Do 435) and a remarkable twin fuselage version (Do 635). These aren't mentioned. Even the 2 seat night fighter version is not mentioned. M Van Houten 05:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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Possible image

Not ideal but less noisy than the current lead:

https://www.si.edu/object/nasm_A19610129000

©Geni (talk) 17:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Not available under a free license. --Denniss (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Restrictions & Rights: CC0. That's about as free as they get this side of PD.©Geni (talk) 01:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

The possible direct replacement for our lead image is restricted, the others seem to be free. None of the free images is a suitable replacement for lead. --Denniss (talk) 10:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)