Talk:Double play

Umps and outs on double plays

Don't umps usually "give" double plays to the fielder at 2nd so long as the timing is right? That is, as long as the fielder is close enough to the bag and the runner is out by a stretch it doesn't really matter if the bag is touched, right? 71.194.13.220 02:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

If the fielder doesn't touch the bag and the umpire calls the runner out, the runner has the right to appeal. According the rules, the fielder has to touch the bag for an out to be recorded.--Borgarde^talk 08:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

You are right on your second sentence (see force play) but not on the second sentence (see appeal play). Runners cannot appeal, ever. Anyway, this is called the neighborhood play and maybe it deserves his own article. Locarno

Summary of double plays

I'm not sure what to make of this chart. The number of double plays does not add to 100. Also, it's tagged with {{Fact}} (since July 2007)

For every 100 double plays that go 6-4-3, there are:

• 83 which go 4-6-3
• 53 which go 5-4-3
• 27 which go 6-3
• 20 which go 1-6-3
• 19 which go 4-3
• 9 which go 3-6-3
• 5 which go 3-6-1
• 4 which go 1-4-3
• 4 which go 3-6

—JonTerry4) 00:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

A citation would be nice, but there's no reason that they should add to 100. The 6-4-3 is the most common double play. The chart lists how common the other plays are, relative to the 6-4-3. For every (100) 6-4-3 double plays, there's (83) 4-6-3 double plays. In other words, the 4-6-3 is slightly less common (83% as common) as the 6-4-3. I don't know whether the numbers are correct, but the text and representation seem reasonable. -- Coneslayer (talk) 21:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that I'd seen this table in one of Bill James' baseball books. WHPratt (talk) 20:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"reverse-force" double play

The page might benefit from some discussion of what the Rule Book calls a "reverse-force double play." The situation wherein the defense chooses to make the out at first and then try for the out at second is mentioned (as the 3-6 double play), but one playing rule and another scoring rule are impacted by a 3-6 DP as opposed to (say) a 3-6-3 DP. Scoring rule: If the DP occurs with none out and a runner scores from third base on the play, the batter is still denied a run batted in on the reverse-force DP as well as on a more conventional DP. Playing rule: If the DP occurs with one out and a runner scores from third base on the play, the conventional DP would nullify the run, whereas with the reverse-force DP, the run would count provided it was registered before the tag out. It would be tricky to word that succintly and correctly . . . WHPratt (talk) 17:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Odd and notable double plays

The section by this heading is becoming unwieldy. I am not an expert on Wikipedia policy, but a detailed description of individual game plays on the basis that they are "notable" (or merely unusual) seems outside the scope of this article. Spike-from-NH (talk) 00:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Single-season records by LF and RF

Anon at 173.169.179.205 believes the article's single-season record numbers of double plays by a LF and RF are mistaken. Rather than correcting the text, he adds an awkward note underneath, citing a player's Wikipedia article (which could be wrong), then stating that the original source (Baseball Reference) confirms. Someone knowledgeable, please resolve: Correct the list-by-position and delete the postscript, or just delete the postscript. Spike-from-NH (talk) 02:49, 10 November 2021 (UTC)