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Serbian relative Dejan Bodiroga

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Why people behave childlish and remove the fact that Drazen was close relative to Serbian basketball player Dejan Bodiroga? Does anyone really think he/she will hide Serbian origin of Drazen that way??? Please stop deleting that fact! 79.101.210.189 (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yugoslav

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Why for many people of ex Yugoslavia wikipedia puts they were Yugoslavs when it comes to famous Serbs and not for Drazen instead of Croatian - Yugoslav, coz: 1. he was active and popular in Yugoslavia 2. he was Serb by father (dunno was his mom Serb, Croat or mixed!?)79.101.210.189 (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

about the Panathinaikos offer

Latest comment: 18 years ago7 comments3 people in discussion

"lack of recognition in the league had him also considering leaving the NBA completely and playing club basketball in Greece: it was later indicated that Dražen had agreed on terms with Panathinaikos BC, its owner Pavlos Giannakopoulos having allegedly offered a signed contract with blank honorarium terms."

Is there any source for that? I seriously doubt that Petrovic thought about leaving the NBA. --Bender235 14:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I remember that back then these news had circulated everywhere. So I did a Goodle search and here's what I've found (it's a cached version and it is in Italian, not in Greek, hence it is an objective report):
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.legabasket.it/news/%3Fid%3D16751
"Aveva lasciato i Nets, sbattendo la porta, al termine di questo campionato. "Free agent", il presidente gli fece troppo tardi un offerta di 15 milioni di dollari per cinque anni. Era pronto per una nuova scommessa: avrebbe firmato per il Panathinaikos (nove miliardi in tre anni) che voleva portare sul trono d'Europa. Ma non ha potuto suonare l'ultima sinfonia. Il destino l'ha fatto morire a due passi da Monaco dove tra due settimane sarebbe tornato a dirigere, con la stessa maestria di Seul, Buenos Aires, Barcellona, l'orchestra croata."
Translation (sorry if my Italian is not that good):
Having left Nets, he shut the door and he was finished with this championship. As a "free agent" the president made him too late an offer of $15M for five years. He was ready for a new challenge: he would have signed for Panathinaikos ($9M for three years), who wanted to have the throne of Europe. But he was not able to play his ultimate symphony. The destiny made him die two steps from Monaco, where in two weeks he would return to direct with his mastery of Seoul, Buenos Aires and Barcelona, the Croatian orchestra.--Avg 17:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
And another thing, although this is not a proof but an indication: Drazen had a few days before his death said, when he was asked about his potential move to Panathinaikos: "I’d love to play with Galis in the same team, I would assist him the ball and he would put it in the basket." Source http://www.fibaeurope.com/, article "Nikos Galis – Europe’s Greatest-ever Scorer". Galis was playing for Panathinaikos back then.--Avg 18:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so it's actually more rumors than facts. PAO offered him a contract, as did the Nets, and Petrovic was "rumored" to favor PAO. If it's that way, the article section needs to be rewritten.
BTW: The "I’d love to play with Galis in the same team [...]"-quote is way older. I think Petrovic said that after the 1988 European championship. --Bender235 22:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Well I haven't see the signed contract myself :) But I do know that Drazen rejected the Nets offer because he felt that he didn't get the recognition he deserved in the NBA. He wanted titles and fame (rightly so). About the quote, European Championships are organised every 2 odd years so it must have been either '87 or '89:-) But the article I refer to insists it's '93 (I copy/paste) “I’d love to play with Galis in the same team,” said the legendary Drazen Petrovic before his death in 1993. “I would assist him the ball and he would put it in the basket.” "--Avg 22:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
The third external link on the article page references a tribute story on the official site of the New Jersey Nets, which mentions how in the summer of 1993 Drazen told the US reporters he will "probably accept a two-year offer to play pro ball in Greece". Whether the contract was signed and the check blank can only be "alleged", as the article states. Damir 08:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, like Kobe Bryant said "I could see myself playing for the Clippers", before signing with the Lakers, I guess. *lol*
Don't get me wrong, but I honestly don't believe anything of this. Petrovic had just made a name in the NBA. He wasn't far away from being an All-Star. Why should he leave?
Matter of fact, these all are rumors. Petrovic had an offer by the Nets, and an offer by PAO. He turned down the Nets offer, but was it because he wanted to leave the NBA, or was it because he wanted to have more money offered (remember how many NBA players turn down contract offers first, but then sign a higher offer)?
This article has to put it like "Petrovic was rumored to leave the NBA and play in Greece", but it says it like Petrovic definitely wanted to and seamingly already signed a contract (what he hasn't). That's all. --Bender235 18:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity issue

Latest comment: 12 years ago8 comments8 people in discussion

There seem to be repeated inverventions by, on one hand, users who claim Drazen's father is of Serbian descent, and, on the other hand, those who claim he is Montenegrin. It's reasonable to assume that these claims are in conflict (i.e., either one or the other is true and not both). Thus, following the Wiki guideline about verifiability of content, it's the burden of the editor making a particular ethnicity claim to cite a respectable source. It's inappropriate for this particular detail in the article to just periodically change from one claim to another and back, based merely on a specific author's opinion or preference. Damir 09:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The source that you provided (Wolff from Sports Illustrated) says he is of Serbian decent. [1] // Lowg .talk. 14:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hes father is a Serb and his brother Aca is always sayig :"Im a Serb".hes brother is a serbian nationalist...Dzoni

Erm...his brother never said that he is a Serb, in fact his brother is a Croatian patriot just like his brother was. --89.172.238.119 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

This is not correct. Drazen Petrovic is ethnic Montenegrian by father and Croat by mother. I´m from his home city so I can verify that with 100% certainty. ...by Sibenik

No, No, No. Drazen Petrovic was Serb, just look at his name and his brothers (Aleksandar), Purely serb names, not only that - born in Sibenik not so far away from KNIN (Heavily Serb populated), He looks like a Serb to me.

In more than a few occasions I spoke to mr. Jole Petrović and he confirmed me that his family roots are from Montenegro. Dražen's mother Biserka is a pure Croat. Petrovićs have no connections with Knin and Šibenik was always been 100% Croatian. In fact, it was first ever Croatian city on the coast founded by Croats, not Illyrians, Greeks or Romans.

End of discussion...

Cro ed

Drazen 's father family is Serbian. For those who try to set up they are not Serbian but Montenegrin, Serbia and Montenegro are two Serbian eyes in one Serbian head. For those who needs history lessons, here's famous Montenegrin king Nikola Petrovic (yeah Petrovic) quote Let's go Montenegrins onto Bar our Serb Bar onto Serbs sea. Montengrin is just regional description for Serbs. The end of this silly discussion and put there the fact he was Serbian root!178.223.50.122 (talk) 04:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

i would beg our dear friends from Serbia to understand that names do not represent nation,if i would to name my son David will my son be Israeli even though i'm Croat.It's illogical And yes,Dražen's father is Jovan Petrović,known as Jole(mostly because the name Jovan is recognized and Serb and thus it was not so popular in the wartime) and he is of Montenegrin origin,His mom Biserka is Croat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.151.75 (talk) 01:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Jole is actually not hiding anything. It is a common Serbian diminutive , Jovan > Jole , Đorđe > Đole , Dušan > Dule. Of course this does not make Dražen Petrović a Serb. Ethnicity is a matter of personal ascription. However, I do believe that the Croatian politicians and TV considered Jole a Serb ... all these years I'm tired watching Biserka alone, if you know what I mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.48.38.116 (talk) 06:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

His father was not of "Serb descent" but of Montenegrin descent. Note that some Montenegrins, like his cousin Dejan Bodiroga, were Serbizated (their ancestors were assimilated by the Serbs)...or are mixed with Serbs...or they were Bjelaši in 1918. (traitors of Montenegrin nation). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.88.107 (talk) 19:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


It is publicly known that Jole is Montenegrin. Montenegrins are not Serbs and that is the common mistake that people make these days. And just because Petrović is a common Serbian last name that doesn't make any difference. For example, Smith: a common last name in the UK and USA. That doesn't mean a Smith in America is of British origin, or vice versa. Kovač is a common name in Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Hungary, and Czech. Doesn't mean a Croatian Kovač is any other nationality, or the Hungarian Kovács either. I have a friend who's last name is Petrović and they are Croatian with their last name going way back into history as Croats from Istria.

We need more than such declarations. We need to be discussing what published sources say. I do agree that his name alone doesn't necessarily prove anything. Zagalejo^^^ 05:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Serb

Latest comment: 13 years ago10 comments8 people in discussion

Born in Šibenik, Dražen was the second child of Serbian Jovan "Jole" Sports Illustrated on the Yugoslavs Divac and one of the Croats on that team, another budding NBA star named Drazen Petrovic, used to speak on the phone almost every day after they joined the NBA. In '92, after the war started, Petrovic suddenly stopped returning Divac's calls, and to others he cited the incident in Argentina as the reason. Divac believes that Petrovic, whose father is a Serb, froze him out because Petrovic felt pressure to prove his pro-Croat bona fides. "At first I told myself, When this is all over, he and I will talk about it." But Petrovic was killed in a car accident in Germany in 1993 before the two could work out their differences. "That was the most difficult thing for me, not having had a chance to talk about it," says Divac.

That was what Divac claimed (that his father "is a Serb") and obviously something that should be taken with a grain of salt. --89.172.238.119 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

He is a Serb n doubt and that prooves that he is close cousin to Dejan Bodiroga. Croats can try with no success to hide his Serbian root. Wikipedia must make effort to be objective. He is a Serb! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.15.37 (talk) 17:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

CROATS ARE FULL OF SHIT!PETROVIC AS WELL AS ALL STOKAVIAN PEOPLE ON DALMATIAN COAST ARE SERBS OF ROMANCATHOLIC CONFESSION! END OF STORY

Croat, my foot....

If Dražen (and Aleksandar) Petrović's parents (Jovan and Biserka Petrović) are not Serbs, an elephant must be typing this message as well...

  • Yes i agree, Drazen,Aleksandar,Jovan Petrovic are all pure serb names...
Aleksandar and Drazen Serbian names only? LOL....thats funny. Tell me does this means Alexandar the Great was also a Serb? Only Jovan can be taken as a Serbian name however it doesn't have to mean one is a Serb if he has a Serbian name. During Yugoslavia many people (Croats and Serbs) gave their children all sorts of names so even today you can find Serbs with typical Croatian names (Tomislav, Zvonimir, Ivan, etc.) and Croats with typical Serbian names (Jovan, Miladin....). Names like Aleksandar, Drazen, Jelena and so on are neither Serbian nor Croatian. --89.172.238.119 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
--- Absolutely right! One might be named 'Elvis' oder 'Johnny' or 'Fernando' or whatever and still be a Croat or Serb. Your name doesn't reveal your ethnicity. You could be a Chinese or a Bolivian with a slavic name, but you will still be a Chinese or Bolivian. Remember the name 'Tito'? In Mexico and other american countries it was popular to give your child the name 'Tito' in honor of the yugoslav marshall. But 'Petrovic' is definitely Serbian or if you like Montegrin.--80.133.224.102 14:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

In the rest of the normal world, you choose what you want to be. He chose Croatia, he played for Croatia and he stated clear that he was Croatian. If his father was Serb, Montenegrenian, Croatian or Jew is absolutely UNRELEVANT outside the Balcans. So, save your point for the articles in Serbian, Croatian and Serbo-Croat Wiki.--195.252.86.156 21:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

You idiots, the guy who wrote that Aleksandar is a serbian name is 100% right. Sure not only Serbs are named Aleksandar but in the former yugoslav republics only Serbs and Montenegrins gave their kids names Aleksandar, as do Bosniaks for a name like Muhamed or Croats with Robert. Those are all names you find everywhere in the world but in former Yugoslavia 99% people named Aleksandar are Serbs or Montenegrins, same as 99% named Robert are Croats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.143.4 (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you guys PLEASE stop being idiots and fighting over idiotic things. The difference between a serb and croat is probably not even there, what else gets me is that you people can't settle for "Yugoslavian" as he was born in Yugoslavia and to parents who obviously believed in it since they married outside their religious box. So stop fighting and get over it.

Who are you to tell others when to stop? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.27.32 (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


WHAT THE MORON THIS DIVAC IS HAHA. I REALLY CAN'T BELIEVE.

somebody said here that montenegrins are serbians. that isn't true. they are montenegrins. surname petrovic is montenegrin's mainly but also serbians and croatians.

Here's famous quote of Montenegrin king Nikola Petrovic, yes Petrovic "Let go Montenegrins onto Bar, our Serb Bar,onto SERB sea". So, need other 57489756074060787685708709876776588587876868679 prooves we Montenegrins are Serbs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.114.192 (talk) 17:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Greatest proof Drazen is a Serb is his live couisn, great basketball player, Serbian DEJAN BODIROGA. Ha! Ha! Croats, you can't hide the truth :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.114.192 (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

First of all - all so-called "ethnicity" is a social invention, and a pretty recent one. If you go back 200 years ago, the terms Croat, Serb etc. didn't mean the same thing they do today - they had more of a regional meaning, like Slavonian, Dalmatian etc. This is just true - not just of former Yugo, but of most of the world. Nationalism of every kind (especially ethnic nationalism) is a modern invention. I'm not saying that everyone in former Yugo was the same people - I'm saying the idea of ethnic nationalism was meaningless and, if anything, people's attachments were much more local in nature (the village, the family etc.), with many different dialects. Now, on to Montenegro . . . most Montenegrins are Serbian Orthodox, and those who are have traditionally thought of themselves as Serbs. That said, if you go back in history you will there were debates between the Montegrin Greens (pro-independence) and the Montenegrin Whites (pro-integration with Serbia), and accordingly different Montenegrins have different views on their own identity. Now that Montenegro is independent, the trend has been toward a separate Montenegrin identity. And as I already said, all ethnicity, nationality, whatever is a social invention. So who's to say who is a real Montenegrin v. a real Serb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.18.128 (talk) 14:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Others about Dražen

Aleksandar Petrovic's quote did not feel exactly relevant in the context (i.e. it felt misplaced). My solution for leaving the quote in the article was to create a sub-heading in the "Death" section with notable persons' words about Dražen Petrović's life and death. Suggestions on improving (or removing) the section welcome.


Petrović vs. Divac

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

The main reason why Petrović has stopped answering calls from Vlado Divac was the fact that Vlado Divac has been insulting flag of Croatia.

[2]

--Anto 16:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe it was that he had been insulting their flag, it was the flag incident's aftermath and misinterpretation that really caused the turmoil in their friendship. Drazen saw it as offensive and was very bitter about the incident when asked about it, along with the pressure of not talking to who the people he stood for saw as an "enemy." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.126.129 (talk) 19:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

And his name is Vlade, not Vlado...--80.133.172.236 (talk) 12:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Royal Spanish Club

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The Real Madrid is not owned by the Spanish Royal Family, so the term "royal" is inadecuated. I plea for correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.1.243 (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Real Madrid translates to Royal Madrid. Goes for the whole sports club. Doesn't have to be owned by the royal family. That is just merely the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CastelVenier (talk • contribs) 04:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslav

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Dražen Petrović is, as DIREKTOR said, "a basketball player with Yugoslav citizenship, born in Yugoslavia an ethnic Yugoslav (a member of one of its six constituent nations), who played in Yugoslav basketball teams". Why is the Yugoslav reference being removed? -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 13:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Ref Slobodna Dalmacija

Latest comment: 12 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion

Removed this ref [1] as it says his origins are Montenegrin not Serb.

"9. FINALE S ‘DREAM TEAMOM’ U BARCELONI 1992.

– Mlada hrvatska država nije mogla zamisliti bolju svjetsku promociju od olimpijskog finala protiv najbolje košarkaške ekipe koja je ikad hodala Zemljom – američkog “Dream teama” kojeg su predvodili Michael Jordan i Magic Johnson. Najbolji igrač naše reprezentacije bio je Dražen Petrović, podrijetlom Crnogorac, a uz njega su igrali još neki predstavnici gradonačelniku omraženih manjina.[3]203.25.149.10 (talk) 03:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

So why remove the reference, but leave the text in the article intact? The text is supposed to reflect what the sources say. (Disclaimer: I don't understand any Slavic languages, so I'll have to trust that others are interpreting the sources correctly.) Zagalejo^^^ 03:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Are there any authoritative sources on the matter? The source described above doesn't actually say anything about Petrovic's father, as far as I can tell. People have been going back and forth on this for years. Zagalejo^^^ 19:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the deletion of the refs until we have concluded the matter. There are quotes in the refs. --Zoupan 12:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Could we at least get a translation for those quotes? Zagalejo^^^ 17:57, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit war

Latest comment: 8 years ago23 comments10 people in discussion

So what's the point of claiming that Dražen's father is of Serbian orgin? Is there any interview where his father or Dražen himself said that he is a Serb? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.60.113.227 (talk) 00:31, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Heh, this has been going on for years. Check out the talk page archives. Zagalejo^^^ 04:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
"Divac believes that Petrovic, whose father is a Serb, froze him out because Petrovic felt pressure to prove his pro-Croat bona fides." It's obviously being an orthodox makes you a Serb.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.253.165.1 (talk) 21:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Why is it important to remove his father's ethnic origin? Please stop your behavior. --Zoupan 03:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It is important because Dražen nor his father never said that he is a Serb. Also, it is important because claiming he is a Serb only because he is orthodox is insane. I'm an orthodox christian, does that make me a Serb? I'm a 100% orthodox and i'm a pure Croat, can you imagine that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.253.203.145 (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Where did someone say he is a Serb because he is Orthodox? Unfortunately, I can't access most of the sources in that section, let alone understand the language. Zagalejo^^^ 18:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I assume that some people here believe that his father is a Serb only because he is orthodox. Where did Dražen himself or his father himself speak about his ethnicity? Was Svetozar Borojević, an Austro-Hungarian field-marshal a Serb even though he many times said that he is a Croat? Is he an ethnic Serb? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.253.203.145 (talk) 19:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
You're responding to an argument that no one has brought up. It would be more useful if you explained why the sources used in the article are insufficient. (Again, I don't understand the language, so I'm not in a good position to judge the sources myself. I'm just trying to get the discussion on track to something productive.) Zagalejo^^^ 01:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Scroll down to see my respond. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokonja (talk • contribs) 12:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually, all sources talk clearly how his father is an ethnic Serb, so I don´t understand why the IP talks about religion? The Sports Illustrated article is in English and quite clear, so it should be enough. The IP should bring contradicting sources if he wants to challenge the claim, otherwise he is disrupting the article by removing sourced content. FkpCascais (talk) 04:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

BTW, the IP is a registered user Rokonja. FkpCascais (talk) 04:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)đ

His father never spoke about his ethncity, so how can you claim such a thing? All sources are based on ASSUMPTION. For example, some people assume that Novak Đoković's mother is a Croatian, but she never spoke about such things, so how can i tell if she's a Croatian or not? Father of Nikola Karabatić, a french handball player, is a Croat who married a Serbian, and we are 100% sure that he is a Croatian because he recently spoke about his ethnicity, unlike Dražen's father who never spoke about his background. So far, we can tell that Dražen's father Jovan(or Jole) is an orthodox who was born in the village of Zagora, near Trebinje, but his roots are in MONTENEGRO.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokonja (talk • contribs) 12:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Once again, all of this needs to be sourced. I notice how we've all ignored the simple fact that numerous of the references in the sentence Rokonja keeps censoring appear to be Serbian daily tabloids - those need to go. The SI story seems to be okay, it specifically discusses the matter of Divac; but there could easily be sources contradicting it (cf. Once Brothers commentary from Vranković), in which case the dispute can be spelled out. In any case, edit warring is not appropriate. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 23:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
What does Vrankovic say? I watched Once Brothers some time ago, but don't remember what was said about Petrovic's father. Zagalejo^^^ 02:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
You can check our article about it, it describes the public dispute about Divac's apparently overly emotional recollection of his and Petrović's friendship; the SI interview seems like it bases its claim of the ethnicity of Petrović's father on what Divac told them, so it might not be sufficiently credible because of that. But, regardless, any claims to this effect, or contrary to it, need to be based in increasingly reliable secondary sources discussing the specific issue. Until then, if there's a preponderance of evidence that a specific Orthodox believer named Jovan from Herzegovina was a Serb, and we generally know that most of such people are indeed Serbs, then it stands to reason that the claims to the contrary still unsupported by any evidence are the ones that need to be substantiated first. On a more general note, both mentioning a father's ethnicity without describing its impact on the person whose biography it is, or conspicuously failing to mention it, just exposes this whole issue as yet another in a long line of nationalist pissing contests that do nothing to actually improve the encyclopedia. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I have found some interesting information about Croatian emigrants on online database. In 1907 there was one Jovan Petrović from Croatia who declared as a Croat: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/passRecord.asp?MID=09514773610881146496&FNM=JOVAN&LNM=PETROVIC&PLNM=PETROVIC&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&TOWN=null&SHIP=null&RF=5&pID=101630160307. There was also one Jovan Petrović who emigrated in 1909, also a declared Croat: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/passRecord.asp?MID=09514773610881146496&FNM=JOVAN&LNM=PETROVIC&PLNM=PETROVIC&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&TOWN=null&SHIP=null&RF=5&pID=101630160307. Of course i'm not assuming that Dražen's father is automatically a Croat, but i just want to emphasize that people named Jovan are not necessarily Serbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokonja (talk • contribs) 15:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

What is the IP's (or Rokonja's) reply to the fact that Zagora is exclusively inhabited by ethnic Serbs?--Zoupan 08:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

First of all, his roots are in Montenegro, but he was born in the village of Zagora. Second of all, did you check my links? Jovan Petrović is maybe a Montenegrin? How is ethnic orgin determined, anyways? By religion, by your name, or by something else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.253.173.61 (talk) 11:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
What links do you mean? You've established that not everyone named Jovan is Serbian, and I'm sure that's true, but I'm not sure why you think he's Montenegrin. Do you have any sources that say that Zagalejo^^^ 03:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


(To Zoupan) Let's be fair; that's not a good argument to make. For one, those numbers seem to be from 1991. Focus on what sources actually say, rather than making assumptions and extrapolations. Zagalejo^^^ 03:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Ellis island links, but never mind... I'm just trying to say that Jovan never spoke about his ethnicity and i think it's unfair to say that he is a Serb only because of his name. And i do have a source that says he's a Montenegrin-http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Drazen_Petrovic.
The New World Encyclopedia article seems to be based on an older version of the Wikipedia article. (At some point, the Montenegrins must have gotten their way with the article.) The man might very well be Montenegrin, but the New World Encyclopedia has little value as a source. I agree that it would be nice if Jovan said something himself about his background. Zagalejo^^^ 05:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter, i just wanted to emphasize that it is unfair to speak about his father's background because he never spoke about it, unlike his mother Biserka. If Serbian nationalists feel the need to emphasize that Dražen's father is a Serb even though we can't know that-ok. Bye.
Yes, exactly! I just wanted to know what these inhabitants are per Rokonja: Serbs or "Orthodox Herzegovinians". Obvious POV warrior.--Zoupan 07:59, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

These sources about his father aren't from some document, these are sources from medias which contained informations from other people so not frankly reliable. The other thing is that you won't see some putting that djokovic's mother is croatian and father montenegrin simply because croats don't care about this shit. in the same way i believe that we shall respect and remove any assumption about their ethnicity.

What is it really with you people? Drazen Petrovic is a Croatian basketball player- why does it matter if his father is a Serb- why is it necessary to spend so much time and effort on these irrelevant matters? The only relevant info about his father's family to the article itself is that Drazen Petrovic and Dejan Bodiroga are close relatives, since both players were giants of European Basketball in their own time and that info settles in nicely as a quality trivia. Spending so much time arguing about one's ethnic background really makes you look kind of stupid. The same crap can be seen on Novak Djokovic article as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byxl (talk • contribs) 08:38, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Some of the quotes in the article link to this site. Looks like the site has nothing to do with the subject and more to do with sports betting.. Right now this is the citation for some of the quotes in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.103.17 (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

  1. ^ Slobodna Dalmacija, DESET STVARI KOJE SU NAM PODARILI SRBI I CRNOGORCI, Od struje do Jugoplastike, Beare i čojstva, 27.09.2009, by Damir Pilić
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