Talk:Drafting (aerodynamics)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Chain gang

The Chain Gang article would also fit here as an example of using slipstream and drafting. Les Woodland 3.10.07

How so? Elaborate? Fresheneesz (talk) 22:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

More statistics

I suggest a new section which gives some statistic one the subject. I know that the benefits of drafting increases with the size of the group. In running, running two next to each other benefits both of the runners. I think this article needs some more substance and generally some more hard facts. --Erikyorke 09:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bump Drafting

I think Bump Drafting needs to be listed here to consolidate the two articles. Drafting and Bump Drafting are basically the same kind of passing technique, just with bump drafting the car infront is actually hit. Same concept. Also, bump drafting is linkless. Suggest merging Bump drafting into Drafting (racing) and replacing Bump drafting with a redirect with Drafting (racing) Targetter 21:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, this article isn't too big anyway--James086 09:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I also agree. I think that slam drafting should also be mentioned, and how it affects drafting.Chaz 20:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• I clarified a bit of the bump drafting section, and added a lot of stock-car-racing-specific content. Added one reference so far, will look for more. Barno 01:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge with slipstream

I think there should be a partial merge. Drafting occurs in a slipstream, so I think there should ultimately be two articles. Royalbroil 15:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

• I don't know how the articles were before, but now that we've added NASCAR-related content and a bump-drafting section, there's a lot of material that users will want to find here, and which would not be best to simply move to Slipstream with a redirect from this title. Barno 02:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• I feel there are two distinct articles - Drafting, in the context of cars / bicycles etc... and slipstream, the phenonmenon due to air pressure differential. As long as the articles do not dwell on the other to much, we should be peachy. - Tiswas^(t) 14:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• (copied from Royalbroil's user page) A partial merge? What's the difference between the two concepts? One is American English, one is British English, there is no difference from what I can tell. Famico666 14:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • The difference is that slipstream is a noun and slipstreaming/drafting is a verb. We do need to remember to not write U.S. or U.K.-centric articles, but to present a world view. How about redirecting slipstreaming to drafting, and keeping the slipstream article? The two articles are related, but drafting/slipstreaming is a specific example of the use of a slipstream. Royalbroil 15:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Regarding Princess Tiswas's reply: for a start, this (I'm guessing) is in US English - in UK English they are both covered by 'slipstreaming'. But even if we stick with US English, drafting is an example of slipstreaming, and so should be contained within the slipstreaming article.Famico666 13:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Regarding Royalbroil's reply: the difference between a noun and a verb is not relevant to a Wikipedia article and the two points should be addressed in the same article. Slipstream already has a section that refers to the drafting article, but I don't think the topics are written in enough depth to warrant two articles.Famico666 13:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
• Completely against. Slipstream should be put HERE. 65.82.104.120 21:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Completely for. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a matter of slang. Mustang6172 05:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
• Concur - whatever NASCAR calls it, drafting is part of slipstreaming and should be treated as such. mattbuck 12:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
• Against - Slipstream is different from "slipstreaming". The two articles are about two different things and shouldn't be merged. Therefore I agree with Tiswas. It is not at all "just a matter of slang". It is a matter of two very different definitions. Fresheneesz (talk) 18:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Move to Slipstreaming or Drafting (aerodynamics)

Since drafting in racing is not the only thing this article is about, I propose the name be changed. Specifically I propose one of these two names: "Slipstreaming" or "Drafting (aerodynamics)". This article already goes over drafting in nature (obviously not a racing scenario), and drafting by hypermilers, which is also not about racing. Comments? Fresheneesz (talk) 22:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

As I indicated above, I don't agree to renaming as Slipstream(ing), but I'll agree it should be renamed to Drafting (aerodynamics). As you pointed out, the article applies to drafting in nature besides various types of racing. Royalbroil 13:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i'm just going to move it. Fresheneesz (talk) 07:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Drafting in running

The term "drafting" is commonly used in running sports to refer not to any aerodynamic slipstreaming, but more to conserving effort and mental energy by letting another runner lead the way for most of the race. (I don't have a ref handy but I could probably dig some up if anyone wants.) Is there any good way to express that somewhere in the article (maybe with a not to be confused with {{Otheruses2}})? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding a hatnote would work if there's an article on the topic. If you wanted to add content, you could add a subsection on running and change the section title to end in "sport" instead of "motorsport". Royalbroil 13:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Safer to draft behind a truck?

There is a claim on the page that it is safer to draft behind a truck than a car because it cannot brake as quickly as a car. Besides seeming like a false claim to me (while it may brake more slowly, if you do crash, you're more likely to get damaged, as well as the prospect of tire wheels popping and flying into your windshield) and extremely reckless, there is no citation for this. As far as I can tell, this is someone's original research and/or opinion. If a citation is not added shortly, I am going to remove this comment. Metromoxie (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I have removed this comment. Metromoxie (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Good call. Royalbroil 03:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

bicycling section needed

We need a section on bicycling here, especially how drafting saves energy, increases speed, is fun, is legal on roadways (see California_Vehicle_Code_-_Bicycle_Relevant_Sections#Bicycle_drafting_is_legal, and is a common technique in bicycle racing. --Born2cycle (talk) 04:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, please add it! Royalbroil 03:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

LOBSTERS???

I really don't think the crawl-speed of a lobster is sufficient to earn a place in this article, which is about Aerodynamic Drafting. The crawl behavior of the lobster may be (visually) "reminiscent" of drafting, as stated, but so is that of a chain of ants, or any of dozens of other creatures, none of which has a thing to do with drafting (unlike that of geese riding wingtip vortices in formation, which IS relevant, or at least related). This is distracting and misleading. And before someone brings it up, the lobsters aren't "slipstreaming" either....—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.65.173 (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The claim sounded absurd to me, but checking the linked source I found the following: "One important biological function of queuing significant to migration is reduction of hydrodynamic drag (Bill and Herrnkind, 1976). Queues of 20 lobsters moving at the migratory pace sustain roughly half the drag of the same number of individuals moving solitarily". So it seems lobsters do benefit from drafting after all. 62.172.108.29 (talk) 13:29, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Drafting (aerodynamics). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080905052848/http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/799/69/ to http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/799/69/
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/NewsReleases/2003/03-42.html
• Added archive https://archive.is/20121212223542/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.af.mil%2Fnews%2Fstory.asp%3Fid%3D123321609 to http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123321609

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Drafting (aerodynamics). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100523145751/http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/cup-atlanta-is-side-drafting-heaven/ to http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/cup-atlanta-is-side-drafting-heaven

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)