Talk:Dreaming of You (Selena album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BelovedFreak 12:51, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   At a glance, sources look reliable, although I have not checked extensively. There are, however, some dead links.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Not assessed yet

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Not assessed yet

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Can't see any problems here

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Image looks fine, some discrepancies with audio file

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

The biggest problem I can see with this article is that it's not written well enough for GA standard. It desperately needs a copyedit by someone uninvolved with the article to improve the prose. I will give some examples of problems below, but this is just a sample.

Examples of prose issues

Lead

• "The album incorporates slow and mid-tempo R&B ballads and pop songs, while the rest of the album incorporates Latin-inflected grooves."
• "...making her the first Latin singer to accomplish this feat..." - I'm not an expert on US music, and I find this a little unclear. Was she the first Hispanic singer to do this? The first singing in Spanish to do it? The first singing music classified as "Latin pop" to do it?
• "Critics received the album with mixed to positive reviews with many of them stating that Dreaming of You was not Selena's peak as an artist, while stating that her previous record, Amor Prohibido, is a more consistent release that it was an effective introduction, and showed why she was adored by Tejano fans alike."

Production

• "Behar's request for a major crossover was denied and was told that in order to sell a major record, Selena needed a bigger fan base." - this is a bit confusing, I'm not really sure who is saying what to whom
• "EMI Latin's purpose for the crossover album was said that Selena reached her peak in the Spanish language market and wanted to propel Selena into mainstream stardom as an American solo pop artist."
• "Selena was questioned by many of her fans and interviewers about the album's release date after Selena released, Amor Prohibido, Selena stated to her fans and interviews that the album is still being developed."
• "Selena stated that she told numerous interviewers that her album is going to be released and Selena bolted in tears as she exclaimed that she has not even recorded one song for the album, the statement enraged Jose Behar and said that Selena was right and told EMI Records that Selena and her band, Los Dinos are going to "walk" and find a different record company who are willing to record an English language album for Selena, which EMI Records did not want to happen."
• "...major Pop music producers..."
• "Recordings for the album were in contrast from what she usually sings."

Composition

• "For the song, "I'm Getting Used to You", Selena worked with Baroque pop and Dream pop, the song talks about Selena being in a relationship that she did not used to, and is now getting the hang of being with that person who she is in dying need of."
• "Originally the album was going to enlist more English language tracks during the morning hours of March 31, 1995, while being scheduled to appear at her fathers recording studio to record another song called "Oh No (I'll Never Fall in Love Again)", Selena was shot to death by her best friend and employee for Selena's boutiques, Yolanda Saldivar."

Personnel

• "(main and back-up vocalist, composer, and ideal)" - what does ideal mean here?

There are also problems with:

• overlinking throughout of common words (eg. sleeping, hands, angel, bronze, golden etc.) and repeated links (eg. pop and rock)
• links to disambiguation pages (including some of the overlinked words). You also need to check links that don't go to disambiguation pages to make sure they go where you expect. For example, white paper.
• improper capitalisation of common nouns
• MOS errors, such as website titles being in italics (WP:ITALICS), inconsistency in reference formatting (this isn't a GA issue as long as WP:V is met)
• In the Album charts table, one column is headed Year, but you list a full date in that column
• In the singles charts table, how is the New Zealand chart position verifiable?
• The bottom table on the page appears to be broken somehow
• The audio sample is 31 seconds long, the summary describes it as being 34 seconds long, the rationale claims that it is no longer than 30 seconds long.
• Dead external links

I don't feel I can perform a comprehensive review until the prose has been rewritten. I'll put the review on hold to allow that to happen. --BelovedFreak 12:51, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Will begin tomorrow. I will try my best to address the issues I can do. The copyedit, I don't know how to do yet, if you can get someone to help me then that would be much appreciated thank you. AJona1992 (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi AJona1992, sorry I just noticed this message. You could put in a request at the Guild of Copy Editors, or ask another editor that you have worked with before perhaps. I'm not sure what else to suggest.--BelovedFreak 15:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok, clearly there's not much happening here. I can't list the article like this, so the nomination has not been successful. Would recommend a copyedit and perhaps peer review before a further nomination. --BelovedFreak 16:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm going to try. People on Wikipedia are here only to judge and pretend to run this place, rather then helping someone. AJona1992 (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Change of thought, I had a bad experience with them because they took 5 years just to look over an article and say "it needs help", like I said Wikipedia is not how it used to be, no one here wants to help anyone anymore. lolz AJona1992 (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)