Talk:Drill

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I really think there are more uses for the word "Drill" than a Radiohead album. This should probably be a disambiguation page rather than a redirect. -- Zoe

So what are you waiting for? <g> I just couldn't bear to leave it where it was, though. -- John Owens

Drilling

Continued the rewrite and in the process split drilling material off to drilling, it was a redirect to here. — Graibeard 15:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Masonry Drill vs. Hammer Drill

Is a masonry drill different to a hammer drill? I'm not familiar with the term masonry drill - in Australia we would use the term Masonry Drill Bit or just Masonry Bit to describe the tungsten tipped bits - but the drill itself is a hammer drill or a rotary hammer drill depending on type. We have a link to hammer drill further down the page, so I'd like to put that link under masonry drill if they are the same thing. SilentC 22:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I've edited that section to suit (quicker than explaining here plus I had some woeful spuling errors :). Push and shove the remainder to suit. Thinking about what you've said, I think this page should have a small (stubbish) section on hammer drills as a type, with a {{main|hammer drill}} link to the page. — Graibeard 23:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I added a shortish bit on hammer drill with a link to the main article. Also changed roto-hammer drill to rotary hammer drill because I suspect that roto-hammer is a product name and rotary hammer is the generic term (mine is a Ramset Rotary Hammer Drill) by all means change back if I've got that wrong. I put roto-hammer in as an aka. SilentC 03:02, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Um, what is the difference between a [[hammer drill] and a roto-hammer drill? From the descriptions, they seem to be the same thing — namely, both rotate the drill bit while banging on it. Perhaps it is a marketing or geographic distinction? Jorge Stolfi 00:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

No, although they serve a similar function - rotating the drill while banging on it as you put it - they achieve this in quite different ways. SilentC 01:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm someone is messing with the drill page. Someone wrote hahaha u like head and I deleted it from the page but they keep on messing with the page. Take care of it plz ty

Plz lock the drilling page someone is messing it up.

why is the rotary hammer drill page the same as the section in this page?CarVac 18:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

image

He is not wearing eye protection, which should always be used when operating power equipment. Are you kidding me?! He is using a battery powered drill (not an electric drill, this implys a drill plugged into a wall socket). It is superfluous to wear protective gear when using such a tool. Can I remove this; what is the general thought? MHDIV ɪŋglɪʃnɜː(r)d(Suggestion?|wanna chat?) 20:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. I'll even beat you to the punch and remove it myself. - Toastydeath 22:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

So what? This is an encyclopedia, not a safety lecture. You should not look here to figure out how to safely operate tools. Some of these articles are so overloaded with safety stuff; take for example angle grinder. --Allyn 02:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I love the picture of the kid using the drill. You can clearly see the drill, but the picture is dynamic rather than static. It's a much more interesting picture than just a "here is a drill" picture. 24.145.5.68 (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. I'd rather see a high-resolution image of an actual construction worker using a drill than some kid. --mboverload@ 07:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I hate this picture of the kid using the drill. It is totally stupid and the kids mental status distracts me when reading. Please replace with a decent picture.--213.199.128.156 (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

If the kid's "mental status" distracts you don't look at it. I won't comment further into your disgraceful comment as there is a very real potential I might be blocked for wp:personal attack--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Agree with Clean-keeper. Your comment only shows that there is a problem with your reaction to the image, not with the image. — ¾-10 01:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand the threat Clean-keeper, thanks for not invoking your rage. I also understand your attempt at personal attack Three-quarter, that it must be me who is seeing this picture the wrong way. This discussion however needs to be kept in a reasonable tone. I guess I will need to provide this article with a better "Drill" picture myself to get rid of this blatant attempt at political correctness. Thanks for your feedback.92.86.199.222 (talk) 18:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It's no attack, just a neutral statement of fact. If the person using a drill in a photo is pink, brown, or purple, or has Down syndrome or doesn't, it is only a distraction from the topic of drilling if the viewer has a problem with it. It is unfortunate that that is smeared as "political correctness" when in fact it is just fairness. But I don't expect a person with a problem like that to believe in the difference between real fairness and fake fairness (i.e., "PC"). To attribute my motives to something fake rather than real fairness is its own form of personal attack, but I know that it honestly seems like the "true explanation" to you. All I can say is that, believe it or not, yes, there are people who are truly not distracted or offended by seeing someone with Down syndrome. That probably seems like a lie to you, but it's honestly true. — ¾-10 16:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was an intentional comical gesture, like when uncyclopedia writes an article about hats and shows a picture of a penguin wearing one, or about nuns and shows a mongoloid nun. Like a Monty Python roll: And here is a Downs boy with a screw driver. Lucas 15:06 28 october 2009 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.131.29.114 (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

More importantly, isn't the kid holding the drill by the bit that spins on the end?! --UltraMagnus^speak 17:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

He's got his hand on the keyless chuck, which is totally normal. You hold the chuck firmly while running the drill to tighten the chuck. You can also leave your hand in a loose running grip while you're driving the screw or drilling, as a way to steady the bit especially upon first spotting the hole or screw location, to resist walking. In other words, no, he's not using it wrong, and no, Lucas, he's not a clown or a joke. He's just a kid using a drill. — ¾-10 01:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

NiCd

I've removed discussion of memory effect with NiCd cells because this is not a significant issue. Although memory effect exists, it is widely misdescribed. In fact it is a fairly rare phenomenon, and not a significant issue. It has however sold equipment, which may explain its sudden popularisation after years of rarely getting a mention. Anyway, its incidence is lost among the noise of NiCd failure, which is of course a widespread issue. Tabby (talk) 22:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Terminology

Not to be pedantic about it, but the correct term for the powered portable form of the tool being described in this article is drill motor. The cutting implement itself is the drill. The term drill bit is incorrect, as the word bit refers to a particular type of drill used to bore (not drill) holes through wood.

Terminology aside, I edited the geared head drill press section and added a picture of the drill press in my shop. I'm hoping to add a picture of a radial arm drill press soon.

Bigdumbdinosaur (talk) 00:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Re "drill motor," never heard that particular combination of controlled vocabulary before. U.S. or Commonwealth? Alas, natural language vocabulary does its own thing regardless. In the mid-Atlantic U.S., "drill" is frequently used ("is" vs "should be") to refer to both the portable power tool and the bits that it drives. "Drill bit" is used to make clear that you mean the cutter not the power tool. "Drill" is also often used to refer to a drill press. ("Take this over to the drill and drill and tap me some lifting holes.") It's true that it's silly that we use words in such overlapping ways, but whadya gonna do? BTW, good photo addition. — ¾-10 00:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I've heard the term drill motor used on both sides of the Atlantic, primarily by skilled tradesmen. I first learned the term when taking high school shop courses. The instructor was quite adamant about using the proper terms for tools and such and made it clear the term drill bit was wrong (and redundant). The historical record on usage is unclear, but I vaguely recall my grandfather, who was both a locomotive engineer and a highly skilled metal worker, using the term drill motor for what we often today refer to as a drill ,or electric drill, or cordless drill or...

BTW, I never refer to a drill press as a drill—too vague and easy to misunderstand.

Bigdumbdinosaur (talk) 04:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with 3/4-10, I've never heard of the term "drill motor". Everyone I've worked with in the midwest has called it a drill. Moreover, aren't most drills marketed as drills and not drill motors? Wizard191 (talk) 15:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Belated update: Recently I saw some usage of the term "drill motor" that supported the suspicion that it's considered normal or proper terminology by some experienced workers, while sounding odd and unfamiliar to others. It seems likely to me to be a UK vs US terminology difference, with some usage occasionally bleeding across the pond. — ¾-10 01:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Why does the word 'press' appear at all ? It is quite clear what is meant by a 'radial drill', 'pillar drill', 'bench drill', 'electric drill', 'hand drill' etc. As for 'wheel brace', that's a tool for removing the wheel nuts on a car ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.1.35 (talk) 20:26, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I recently came across an online “manual” written for airframe repair technicians in which “drill motor” is used to refer to the power source for manual drilling. They weren't entirely consistent with such usage, but it seemed to predominate. See https://www.aircraftsystemstech.com/2017/06/hole-drilling.html for an example.

216.152.18.132 (talk) 10:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Radial arm drill press

I edited the radial arm drill press section and added some pictures taken at a client's machine shop. Bigdumbdinosaur (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Too many images?

I think this article has too many images. Should they be removed, or put in a gallery? It looks kind of messy. Clerkenwell TALK PAGE! 20:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

There are only two sets of images that are duplicates of each other: drill presses and the "process schematics" (i.e. the first two images). I'd say the very first image should go and the second drill press image. Otherwise the rest seem very relevant. Wizard191 (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

References from Wizard

refs posted by Wizard191 (talk) 19:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC) on his talk page:

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Posting these from Wizard's talk page; will try to add stuff later from them.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Removing Lead Image

I've removed one of the lead images. (The one with the kid.)

I've removed it because he's not using a drill. He's using a cordless driver. Sure, most such tools are multi-purpose, including that one, but it's a poor illustration for the concept of "drill" if he's not using it as a drill. (My pocket-knife has a nail-file, but I wouldn't post a photo of the file as the lead illustration for knife.)

In addition, it's a very low resolution image.

I notice the article has a hidden note that there is a consensus to keep the image. This talk page clearly shows that's false. I see a lot of people complaining about the image for various reasons, and a single user brow-beating people into giving up on it. That is obviously not a consensus, so I have ignored the hidden note. (except to remove it also.) APL (talk) 07:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your points. However, I fear it is only a matter of time before a certain someone reverts the changes and reincludes the image citing a non-existent "consensus" 87.112.45.191 (talk) 23:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I see Wizard191 quit wikipedia back in June 2011, so maybe the change will stay this time 87.112.45.191 (talk) 23:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I made this change again. I don't think it's controversial, except to the person who's apparently trying to make that boy Wikipedia-famous. 21:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Whoever keeps trying to make this kid famous has showed up again.[1] I reverted. It's still not a good illustration for this article for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the person holding the tool. ApLundell (talk) 18:10, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a good idea badly implemented and provided on an awful platform. I am seeing en.wikipedia.org. I wish I was seeing uk.wikipedia.org. Oddly, it's the only bit of the web I don't want to work with globally ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.1.35 (talk) 20:33, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

compressed air drill

Compressed air is often used to drive drills in factories and shops. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.94.230 (talk) 03:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Pneumatic drills are mentioned in the article.TMCk (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Video

Could this fit into the article. Is this a drill press? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

SDS derivation

I belief that the Acronym SDS actually has German origins stecken-drehen-sichern (insert-twist-secure). 142.31.66.7 (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Interesting: "Die Abkürzung SDS besitzt mehrere Bedeutungen. Ursprünglich wurde das System unter der Bezeichnung Steck-Dreh-Sitz von Bosch entwickelt und später unter der Bezeichnung Spannen durch System weiterentwickelt. Heute benutzt Bosch auf internationaler Ebene den Begriff Special Direct System." The source given in de.wikipedia.org does not support any of that, as far as I can see at a quick glance. Just plain Bill (talk) 23:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion

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• Magnetic Drilling Machine from BDS Machinen GmbH, Germany.jpg

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Batteries

"Common battery types of are nickel-cadmium (NiCd) batteries and lithium-ion batteries" I don't think you'll find any drills sold now with NiCd batteries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.228.204 (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Impact drills

I have comprised a section on impact drills. These are commonly called impact drivers as well, but by definition they are drills. I believe these should be included under drills as it is a type of drill and does many of the same jobs as any other drill. Kevans123 (talk) 01:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC) Kevans123

Obsolete info on NiCd batteries

"Common battery types of are nickel-cadmium (NiCd) batteries and lithium-ion batteries, with each holding about half the market share." That is surely obsolete at this point (2023). Especially considering "NiCd disadvantages are limited life,", which by 2023 has probably expired. Gwideman (talk) 05:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

drill press latest history

who is author of this 216.247.32.72 (talk) 07:56, 4 October 2023 (UTC)