Talk:Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead

Too much information!

Giving the entire plot line and ending ruins a reader’s desire and necessity of reading this interesting and well-written book. Very disappointed in the article. 2601:190:4302:2AF0:F903:DE36:22D0:AD5E (talk) 13:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry you were disappointed after reading the plot summary. However, you seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is and is not. Please read WP:SPOILER and WP:NOVELPLOT. Οἶδα (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

“ Plot summaries very often contain spoilers. That is quite normal, and is in line with the spoiler content guidelines and Wikipedia's content disclaimer. Spoilers are no different from any other content and should not be deleted solely because they are spoilers. ”

One should of course expect spoilers in the 'Plot summary' section, but certainly not in the section concerning the novel's style! 188.146.114.51 (talk) 10:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Wrong. Spoilers are not reserved for plot summaries ("This guidance also applies to other relevant information beyond simple plot elements"). And a novel's style is intimately connected to its plot elements, many of which could be perceived as spoilers. Especially if the style is defined a distinct narrative device, one which is usually revealed in a plot twist. So one should expect spoilers, especially with mystery novels. Οἶδα (talk) 10:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Your article backs up the other person's point: "Sections that frequently contain spoiler warnings—such as plot summaries, episode lists, character descriptions, etc.—were already clearly named to indicate that they contain plot details."

The spoiler was in 'Style'. It should be moved to 'Plot'. Ovigyre (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

The article backs up my point actually. The distinction does not declare that plot sections are the only sections to include spoilers. So why you are you refactoring it to suggest that style does not fit because it is not included as a "such as" in a hypothetical exhaustive list to name every single occasion. I will repeat myself: A novel's style is intimately connected to its plot elements, many of which could be perceived as spoilers. Especially if the style is defined a distinct narrative device, one which is usually revealed in a plot twist. So one should expect spoilers, especially with mystery novels. And a plot section is meant to be purely descriptive. Any other information such as interpretation or explanatory remarks requires a secondary source and should be separate from the plot summary. So no, it should not moved.

You and the other editors continuously misunderstand what Wikipedia is and what it is not. So for the last time: Spoilers are no different from any other content. That is the longstanding consensus and if you are unshakeably in opposition to that, then may you venture elsewhere for information. Οἶδα (talk) 19:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for spoiling it

I was curious about the book but avoided the Plot Summary as I didn’t want to know too much about it. I read the wiki entry about “Style” which proceeded to give away the ending in the first sentence! It would be better to say that the book has an unreliable narrator, rather than “an unreliable narrator who is actually the murderer which is revealed on the last page!”. Sheesh! 95.97.148.226 (talk) 20:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not hide, avoid, or take effort to mark spoilers in plot summaries or similar material. If you believe the text should be presented differently (not removing the spoiler), you are welcome to change it. Οἶδα (talk) 21:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Plough

Presumably the original UK edition spelled plough correctly?? 142.205.202.71 (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Interestingly, the Fitzcarraldo Editions publication made no alteration to the title. Οἶδα (talk) 04:35, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: East European Prose

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