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Allegations about a living person not researched by editor/s
editThe following statement about Memoree Joelle -- a living person -- regarding "Drop the T" was added to the article:
Memoree Joelle who is the main editor of AfterEllen.com, a site for lesbians, supports the idea.
This misinformation was sourced to an essay published in LGBTQ Nation on 16 February 2019: "How AfterEllen turned from a popular lesbian pop-culture website into a transphobic haven", in which the source contains the following statement:
Joelle herself has reportedly endorsed a petition to “drop the T from LGBT.”
However, this is a false claim that was neither researched by the writer of the LGBTQ Nation essay, nor the Wikipedia editor. The 2016 petition signed by Joelle is: Statement: L is out of GBT. The petition states:
This is a statement by Lesbians and our supporters that we are NOT part of the 'LGBT " umbrella. Our interests both as lesbians in particular and women in general are not represented by any alphabet organization. We have had enough of our voices silenced and our protests ignored. The 'LGBT community " is actively harming women with its insistence of focusing on transgender issues. We, the L, are going our own way to focus on our own community. We are building L- only spaces, women- only spaces, campaign for women's rights and L rights. L only. We demand that the L be left out of the current LGBT acronym. We'll take care of our own business, as always, and will form temporary alliances as we see fit, when the goal is parity for Lesbians. The L will speak for ourselves. – @ https://www.change.org/p/hrc-statement-l-is-out-of-gbt
Additionally, Joelle's signature is found within "Reasons for signing > View all reasons for signing", and includes the following personal statement:
I'm signing because I see the word lesbian becoming a bad word under lgbt, in a time when it's trendy to be pansexual or fluid, etc which are all newly invented terms. I don't agree with the word queer being applied to me under this acronym as it isn't accurate, and I don't agree with all of the gender politics the lgbt acronym focuses on. Further, I don't appreciate being lumped into an acronym where the only thing we have in common is being minorities, as it is more apparent that it erases lesbian identity rather than supporting/including it.
The petition is not, as claimed by the source, "a petition to drop the T from LGBT"; nor does "T" or "transgender" appear in the petition endorsement comment by Memoree Joelle. The word in the source's statement that should have made an editor think twice before using it as a reference, and adding misinformation about an individual to the article, is: "reportedly". It wouldn't be so easy to fall for an echo chamber if an effort were made to check the facts. Pyxis Solitary yak 07:04, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- No need to make such a huge drama out of a little mistake. You removed it, no big deal.★Trekker (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- That "little mistake" is considered a libelous statement. Which has the potential to create a defamation problem for Wikipedia. But you ... go right ahead and be dismissive. Pyxis Solitary yak 16:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Its calles a mistake and happens 100 times every day on this site and elsewhere. It was fixed within a day and no one will even notice it happened. You didn't need to get angry and go accusing people of trying to harm some person, you should complain to the source if you think they're trying to libel that woman. How exactly am I at fault when its the source who's the screw up? Maybe assume some good faith like Wikipedia says you should?★Trekker (talk) 17:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- You can possibly ask an admin to have any mention of it removed it you think it is s legit threat. Not sure if do that on request but if you want to give it a shot.★Trekker (talk) 18:36, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Since you left a similar message in my talk page, you'll find my response there. Pyxis Solitary yak 01:28, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
- That "little mistake" is considered a libelous statement. Which has the potential to create a defamation problem for Wikipedia. But you ... go right ahead and be dismissive. Pyxis Solitary yak 16:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Merged
editPursuant to the AfD, I merged the content to the designated merge target article and made this article a redirect. If other steps are supposed to happen (e.g. turning this talk page into a redirect?) please let me know, or take them. :) -sche (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)