Talk:Dune: The Battle of Corrin/Archive 1

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Is this page meant to be a review or a factual article of character, plot summary, et cetera?

(March 10, 2006) factual article of character, plot summary, I say. I erased the reviews. This page is still waiting for actual information about it. Anyone read this book (I'm on the first).

I have removed the {{unencyclopedic}} tag as this is obviously an encyclopedic topic. It does need cleanup and expansion though. Sadly, I have only read Dune through Chapterhouse.

Things to do:

• 1. Make an infobox, or use it if there already is one
  2. Basic plot overview (setting, time, characters)
  3. Reasons why it is not considered canon(? This might be better covered elsewhere unless this book also has specific contradictions.)

kotepho 14:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed the comment: "However, "canoness" is not determined by fans but instead the living heirs to the Dune series." which ended the introduction; that's a bit over the edge for bias as it's essentially just stating the opposing view. They hold the rights to Dune but that's not the same thing.AM2783 17:32, 6 April 2006

The only Dune canon is Frank Herbert's six Dune novels, and it is the height of arrogance if his sons make any cliam that they are continuing to establish canon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.176.203 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms

I can see a few of you arguing with the 'canoness' of the newer Dune boooks. I think that it would be nice to find some decent literary criticisms for the works based on how many people hate them - even if I find them entertaining but riddled with errors. The reason I'm posting in the book's talk page is because this was the book that had the errors.

Right off I will say that asking Kevin J. Anderson to cowrite was Brian Herbert's biggest mistake. The man has no originality of his own as well as has some sort of Mary Sue complex. I will give Anderson some credit - I own copies of about two dozen of his books. I will also add that they are all Dune, Star Wars or The X-Files books that he wrote or co-wrote. Also the man has no qualms with killing canon characters (such as killing Crix Madine in Darksaber) or criticizing other author's characters (Han Solo admitting that he never liked Timothy Zhan's Mara Jade). All in all his works in the Star Wars universe has felt like one Expanded universe sanctioned fanfic.

Now on to the criticisms of the works here in Dune. I like the character Erasmus as he is an interesting way to present the machine side of the conflict and is a scientist of sorts. ... But do to someone's badly written article here on the Wiki I found out he survives the end of the Jihad only to appear in the books that this writer duo is working on to take place after the original novels. I find that actually to be quite lame - it is the kind of tactic I'd expect in a novel geared towards someone in grade 4 (which isn't far from the truth with the stuff Anderson has done - Young Jedi Knights?). That's the kind of writing tactic that loses credibility.

While we're still on the topic of Erasmus, the character originally was responsible for inciting the Butlerian Jihad by killing Serena Butler and then went on to actually fear his master the evermind Omnius. When giving thoughts to the reader in The Machine Crusade it is made clear that if this is ever found out he would be in great trouble and there would probably be death and whatever other horrible clichéd punishments we would see for this thing in a book. In The Battle of Corrin Omnius orders Erasmus to merge his mind with Omnius for some reason I won’t get into. So in effect Erasmus’ mind is inside Omnius and he now knows what Erasmus knew at that point in the merge. Due to some sort of forgetfulness on the part of the writers – this conflict becomes unresolved. It’s as if not only did the writers forget this happened – so did Omnius because they forgot it. Either that or they’re retconning it out of their own books while they claimed to have planned this out. (Or for some reason I haven’t gotten to that part and any delay in resolving this after 19 years in the novel has become lack of foresight.)

I just mentioned 19 years passing in the novel – well guess what? They went in reverse. This is the kind of error that is unforgivable in a published novel. These novels are in a sense counting down to the time the Spacing Guild is founded in the Dune universe. Now the characters themselves don’t use this calendar but we’re given years to help us along, it’s chronicled under BG for Before Guild. Still with me? Well when this book started with the year 69 BG. A third of the way into the novel it skips 19 years and gives us the new date 88 BG. Now this may make it seem more towards a traditional date system like us with our 2007 AD year. But contradicting it still within the same book – the family trees given at the end of the novel in which most of the principal characters are born before 100 BG. For example Abulurd Butler (Harkonnen) is born in 126 BG. But in the year 69 BG it is said that he is coming of age and a young man. Chronologically he would be 57, but if they used what would likely be the proper year of 88BG he would be 38 which also isn’t too young either. …. Either that or Vorian Atreides had a low opinion of his maturity until that age. Also Abulurd’s younger cousin who is said to just be entering puberty would 31 years old – so my guess is they screwed up bad.

I’d also like to add I’m not even trying to nitpick. I’m just casually reading the series and kind of like it but these errors stand out like a sore thumb. Which only raises the question about how the hardcore Dune fans are feeling about the series. Abrynkus 21:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

RNA Retrovirus

This point is excessively picky, but if I recall correctly the book asserts that the "retrovirus" has DNA. Clearly, terminology may have changed by the time of the novels, but it seems to me that under good scholarship we cannot say that the retrovirus in the book had RNA. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iain marcuson (talk • contribs) 05:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC). Iain marcuson 05:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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