Talk:Dunedin North (New Zealand electorate)

One of the oldest electorates

The article contains the unsourced claim that the electorate "is among one of New Zealand's oldest electorates, being contested continuously since 1905". I shall remove that claim, as it's not correct. There are heaps of other existing electorates that were established earlier, but they were abolished for periods of time. But there are also quite a few existing electorates that have been in continuous existence as follows:

• Nelson (1853 - the only one that has been around since day 1)
• Whanganui (1855)
• Rangitīkei (1861)
• Invercargill (1866)
• Napier (1881)
• Wairarapa (1887)
• Palmerston North (1890)
• Auckland Central (1905)

These electorates have all existed since the given year, but some of them were in fact established before then and were abolished again. Schwede66 05:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Dunedin (New Zealand electorate) → Dunedin North (New Zealand electorate) – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Including the former Dunedin North electorate as part of the page for the modern electorate is a bit odd for several reasons. First, for most times this has happened in history (such as Dunedin and Suburbs South → Caversham; Dunedin South → St Kilda) the two electorates have been given separate pages. Second, renamings seem to be given a common page only when they have very similar names (such as Chalmers/Port Chalmers). Third, Dunedin North was created out of the former Dunedin electorate, so the (see Dunedin North) link from the Dunedin (former electorate) redirects to Dunedin (current electorate), which is very confusing. I don't think this page is where we should put the new Dunedin electorate. YttriumShrew (talk) 05:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, there should be a new page created for the new electorate rather than renaming Dunedin North. The precedent we have is to have separate pages for all electorates past and present. Kiwichris (talk) 09:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Agreed.  Nixinova   T   C   01:05, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Support Yes, this is all a bit of a mess. For a start, I have moved "Dunedin (former New Zealand electorate)" to City of Dunedin (New Zealand electorate), as that is what the electorate was called between 1860 and 1905 (with two breaks). Its previous name, "Town of Dunedin", had reflected the fact that Dunedin had yet to achieve city status, i.e. a straight renaming. I shall go and have a look at the Electoral Atlas to see whether "Dunedin North" (since 1905 apart from the time when the name was the other way round) and "North Dunedin" (1946–1963) is one and the same electorate, or whether there is more to it. But for the time being, this article is clearly more appropriately named as proposed. At worst, we may have to split off the 1946 to 1963 period. Schwede66 03:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm unsure whether the modern Dunedin and the former Dunedin should share a page or have separate pages. YttriumShrew (talk) 01:00, 21 April 2020

Nothing wrong with that. Electorates come and go; happens all the time. There's only one electorate in New Zealand that's been around continuously since 1853, and that is Nelson (New Zealand electorate). Every other recreated electorate has had a break at some point. Schwede66 02:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I've done several things. Firstly, I've recorded the history of the electorate from the 1940s to 1987 (that's when my reference book was printed). It turns out that the change in name from Dunedin North to North Dunedin was a bit of a quirk (the prose explains what happens) but it was pretty much the same electorate; just a change in name. Secondly, I've helped myself to electorate boundaries for Dunedin North for 2002, 2007, and 2014, plus the proposed boundaries for 2014. I don't have fancy software (or the skills) to do anything beyond importing those into Google Earth and given that the background map is copyrighted, I can't do anything better but place some screen shots into my Google Drive. What you can see is how significantly electoral boundaries can change through electoral redistribution. But what is also clear is why the "North" got dropped from the electorate name and that is because for the first time, the electorate now covers Otago Peninsula, i.e. the area south of Otago Harbour. Therefore, it's clear that "Dunedin" is a different electorate to "Dunedin North". The only logical thing is for there to be a separate article to be written, and this article needs to be moved back to Dunedin North as proposed. Schwede66 07:28, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I support a seperate article for both the former Dunedin North (New Zealand electorate) electorate and the new Dunedin (New Zealand electorate). This follows with what happened with Ohariu-Belmont being rezoned to form Ōhāriu (New Zealand electorate) in the electoral boundary review leading up to the 2008 election. Ajf773 (talk) 09:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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