Talk:Dungeon Keeper/Archive 1

Archive 1

Other games

Needs info on original design of Dungeon Keeper (screenshots have a typical dungeon and skeleton), and cancelled Dungeon Keeper 3.

---

Dungeon Keeper is actually based on the Syndicate Wars engine, which in turn is based on the Magic Carpet engine. Should we consider the engine to be the Magic Carpet engine or the Syndicate Wars engine? I would leave it as Magic Carpet engine based on an interview with Molyneux search for Magic Carpet). However, if we do this then we also have to consider that Populous: The Beginning is based on the Magic Carpet engine which also seems to be the case in several articles on the web [1] (search for Magic Carpet). --analoguedragon 15:46, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

link to avatar is pointless (leads to ultima avatar section, i will remove)

Um, this quote about DK3: "Bullfrog discontinued this idea, as it was above land so therefore no longer "Dungeon" keeper."... I find it hard to believe that they began to produce a game, realised that it wasn't accurately described by its title, and as a result, stopped producing it. Anybody able to provide a more accurate description of events? --Justdig 21:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

EA pulled it when they started the process of dismantling Bullfrog. But I'm pretty sure it's one of those things that is undocumented and can't be proven, it was just widely discussed at the time and has entered unwritten knowledge. I'm going to edit the article so that it doesn't immediately disagree with itself after stating something. --Harmonica 01:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Overlord = DK3? Mebbe?

Nope, only inspired by DK --TheRaven 19:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

DK2

Why does the wiki link for Dungeon Keeper 2 redirect back to the Dungeon Keeper article? They're separate games, even if they are part of a series. That's like having the wiki link for Star Trek II link back to the article for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Sure, they're part of a series, but they're still different things.

It's because someone set up Dungeon Keeper 2 to redirect to Dungeon Keeper because of no one having made an article for DK2 yet. Then, someone made the mention of DK2 a wikilink (is that the term?), which ends up causing a loop. It happens often. Solution? Write the article for the thing in question and remove it's redirect quality. MardukZero 06:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I begun new article about DK2, but I need help. --Winterheart 14:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Incredible that such a game had no article until this year!! -- ARC Gritt 13:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I have contacted EA (parent company of Bullfrog) by phone and by letter and all I got was a reference to a release schedule for a few months ahead, which obviously did not contain the title, and the line about "Althought the Dungeon Kepper series is an important franchise for there are no plans at this time to commence redevelopment". I don't see why it has to go overground, look what happens to the James Bond films, they are in the process of being ultimately digitised once again, to within an inch of their lives. Bullfrog could just release the game now with new graphics, possibly fit for 3D monitors and cross platform.

DK3

Would it be a good idea to have some links to petitions that are currently running regarding putting DK3 into development? Also, who actually owns the rights for this? The article indicates people are hopeful Lionhead Studios would start development, but surely it is EA who actually owns the rights as they took over Bullfrog.Matty gibbon 15:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a fanmade sequel still in prodution that i've been trying to get on wiki but it keeps removeing it, it's called Dungeon Keeper War For The Overworld could someone please put it on. 19:48 28 September 2009

Wikipedia isn't the place to advertise a "fanmade sequel". --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

But There is a fanmade remake of Head Over Heels (video game) that is mentioned in Wikipedia, check it out yourself

The argument that "other stuff exists" is generally a weak argument, particularly when attempting to push advertising into an article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why, but it just seems some people hate dungeon keeper in this article and don't wish to see the article to grow in any other way than they see fit. How can a fan made sequel not be mentioned, lots of other articles do it with video games, I don't see someone constantly removing that and saying stuff like "Wikipedia is not for fan games". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.13.254 (talk) 23:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, I won the arguement, it's mentioned on the DK3 page, so you lose and the noob wins, nyah 77.103.117.187 (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Spells

I'm new to the idea of wikipedia...would a list of spells and their uses/effects be appropriate in this article? and also possibly a mention of the absolute uselessness of the instruction book? (at least a third of the information given in it is incorrect).

Throw it out to consensus, add it and see what happens. The instruction book bit is probably extrenuous though :) Mallocks 17:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

PC/other platforms

I remember this game for the Amiga. Was it primarily a PC release? --84.65.153.30 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It was PC only. No Amiga version was ever made. WindowsKiller 14:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I have added http://dungeonkeeper.co.uk to the External links as it is a relative site --The Itchy One 23:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed. The site doesn't contain anything useful (yet) and Wikipedia is not there to help promoting websites. WindowsKiller 10:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Added back again, the site contains useful files such as patches and updates which are required to run Dungeon Keeper in Windows XP, have a proper look first --The Itchy One 13:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Reworded link

"have a proper look first" ? That's a joke, isn't it? You have added those patches AFTER I removed the link. Anyway, read the external links guidelines, please. Wikipedia is not your personal platform to promote your website. Currently, your website doesn't contain anything special. WindowsKiller 14:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

: : Patrician: Get a life WindowsKiller, really. His site, and others (especially with large communities), are extremely welcome finds for Dungeon Keeper fans - something you wouldn't appreciate I'm sure! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.52.31 (talk)

Wikipedia is not a directory, and also see WP:EL on policy regarding external links. Fansites and resources should not be indiscriminately added to external links. --Scottie_theNerd 20:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I am removing these links, with respective reasons:

• - The archive is not navigable. It only has the front page of the original site, and attempting to interact with it takes you to the current domain squatter site. It offers no useful information.
• Dungeon Keeper Network - (v3 under development) is a french community witch offer the largest choices of download, maps & news related to DK.
• Keeper Klan, unofficial Dungeon Keeper forum - Fansite forums are on the list of things that normally should not be linked, per policy. Any useful information that the site offers should instead be included in the article, preferably with a more reliable source.

Ham Pastrami (talk) 03:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Phase of Moon

What I remember about the game (perhaps the expansion pack?) was that there were areas which were only available the day before, day of, and day after the full moon. I think this is weird enough to be worth a mention Lacreighton 11:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can establish exactly what piece of information you want to add, feel free to include it. --Scottie theNerd 13:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

If you played on a full moon, there's a bonus level for selection. The same for the sequel as well I belive 82.3.26.92 20:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Strongest creature

The Avatar is the strongest creature and can only be obtained twice on the last level. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rusty-armour (talk • contribs) 07:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

obtained? You can't convert the avatar to your cause, thats not possible. You can only torture him to death. However, if you modify the creature pool of the levels (wich is pretty easy) you can have him come to your dungeon, and fighting for you. He doesn't need anything to come, but well a sleeping place, a chicken farm, a training room and some Treasure to pay him would be needet if you wanna keep him --88.134.94.99 (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

That's not right. You CAN convert the Avatar, quite easily aside from the long amount of time he takes to convert. To convert any creature, you must keep healing it while it is being tortured, not allowing it to die. I do this every single time I play the Skybird Trill level. Doing so counts as having killed him, and his second incarnation will spawn shortly thereafter. You can then use his converted first incarnation to imprison his second one and convert it as well, which will then cause you to win the level. --QuasarTE (talk) 23:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Trivia/Easter Egg

In the binary (.exe) of the game you can see a hidden message from Jonty Barnes, one of the designers and programmers of Dungeon Keeper. The message can be seen as trivia, but it also says something about the process of developing the game. I don't know if it belongs in the main article, but it is valuable for the fans. The message is as follows:

JONTY HERE  : ...I AM WRITING THIS AT 4AM ON KEEPERS LAST DAY. I LOOK AROUND THE OFFICE AND ALL I SEE ARE THE TIRED PALE FACES OF THE KEEPER TEAM. THIS PROJECT HAS DESTROYED THE HEALTH AND SOCIAL LIVES OF EACH MEMBER, SO I HOPE YOU LIKE THE GAME. AMAZINGLY AFTER SIXTEEN HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK, FOR NEARLY 5 MONTHS WE STILL DO. THIS GAME HAS BEEN WRITTEN WITH A PASSION I AM PROUD TO BE PART OF.... I DO NOT JUST HOPE YOU LIKE IT, I ALSO HOPE YOU ARE AWARE OF THE HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK WE HAVE ALL DONE. ENOUGH WAFFLE AND ON TO THE REASON FOR THIS TEXT... THE ENDLESS GREETINGS... GREETINGS GO OUT TO IN RANDOM ORDER... RAB C, JACOON, BUCK, SI, BARRIE, KIK, CHRIS, PROC, RUSS, RIK, ALEX NEEDS, LARRY MOOR, EMMA TEUTON - AN ALE DUE TO EACH ONE OF YOU - THE LIST GOES ON.... LOUISE GEE, MY GOOD SIS NICOLA, GEMMA, JENNY, HALEY, JO EVANS... SARAH TELFORD.. PETER AND STEVEN, AMELIA, SARAH, ISY, SALLY, MARK, MATT WOODCOCK, PAUL NETTLETON, PETE BANFORD, TOM, DAVE BANHAM, DAVE KEENS, ALISON BOSSON, MIKE LINCOLN, KIRSTY, DARREN SAWYER... AND ALL UEA NORWICH PAST AND PRESENT. NICK ARNOTT, BAVERSTOCK, SARAH BANKS, SEANY, MARK STACEY, GILEY MILEY COOKSON [WHERE ARE YOU?], STEVE CLARIDGE, DEUBERT, JAMES GREENGRASS, SIMON ONG, KEVIN RUSSELL, CLARE WRIGHTON, ELTON [GIB IS JUST A DAY AWAY], NICOLA GOULD, STEVE LAST, KEN MALCOLN, RICO, ANDY CAKEBREAD, ROBBO, CARR, AND THE LITTLE ONE, CROFTY, SCOOPER, JASON STANTON [A CUP OF COFFEE], AARON SENNA, MIKE DORELL, IAN HOWIE, HELEN THAIN, ALEX FOREST-HAY, LEE HAZELWOOD, VICKY ARNOLD, GUY SIMMONS, SHIN, VAL TAYLOR.... IF I FORGOT YOU I AM SORRY... BUT SLEEP IS DUE TO ME... AND I HAVE A DREAM TO LIVE... .

-- TheRaven (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That message can be found in-game, you don't have to dig through the data-files. Sacrifise more then 16 chicken in a Temple, then place your cursor over the chicken-spell.

There are also more easter-eggs then this: - Greets I: Hold the left shift button and type "FECKOFF" or "SKEKSIS" and you will get a message from the developers untill you release the shift button. - Greets II :: Start the game with the command parameter -alex. While playing, press and hold down both Shift keys and type JLW. - Birthday Wishes: jan. 13: Mark Healey, marc. 21: Jonty Barnes, may. 3: Simon Carter, may. 5: Peter Molyneux, nov. 13: Alex Peters, dec. 1: Dene Carter. If a birthday and a full moon falls on the same day, the birthday-wish doesn't appear. - Multi-player mode vs. CPU Start the game with the "-1player" command line parameter to play against the CPU in multi-player mode. - Play the game on a Full Moon (depends on your computer's clock). A hidden level will show up on your world-map! - Hidden screen Finish the 7th scenario with the enemy "Lord of the Land" imprisoned / tortured (must be alive, unconverted). - Don't forget to plug in and activate your printer. A higher being is watching your every move! (It seems disabled in the gold-version. The messages aquired on level 9, 14 and 20. You can read them in the text-formated level-files directly with a notepad.) - hidden levels: These can be aquired through finding miscaleanes while playing. there is a hidden level bonus on map 8, 9, 15 and 17. the bonus-levels become avaiable from your world-map. - To send harassments, press ALT + F1 to F8 keys. - there is a sixth hidden realm (bonus level) according to the hint-book and the data-files, but noone seems to know how to make it playable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.135.252 (talk) 16:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Avatar

Doesn't the Avatar (the last Enemy) look exactly like the avatar in Ultima VIII. I think this was intendet by the creators of Dungeon Keeper ? --88.134.94.99 (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The Sprites are directly taken from Ultima VIII. Don't know if they had permission or not. But It's not like it matters much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.65.21 (talk) 16:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Who made the music?

Interested {Phoenixdolphin (talk) 13:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)}

Adding a Link

Was going to add this link: Troubleshooting Help It's mine, I'll admit, but it does tell you how to run DK on XP/Vista. Bumcheekcity (talk) 20:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a game play guide, and not a collection of external links. I did add a link to the Open Directory Project at dmoz.org, which is a site supported by Wikipedia's external link guidelines for supplying lists of external links, as that site is better suited for managing such content. I would suggest submitting your link for inclusion on dmoz. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Dungeon Keeper MMO

link This website suggests that EA have licensced Dungeon Keeper to a Chinese MMO developer. Unfortunately I couldn't find the actual press release. Should this be included?

I read about this too, on Blue's News. I would hold off until another source confirms. StevePrutz (talk) 19:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I know wikipedia is not a forum and all that, but the news of this MMO game greatly disapoints me.--91.105.73.156 (talk) 00:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Voice Over

Would it be noteworthy or interesting to mention that Richard Ridings did the voice over? There is a link from Ridings' wiki page to this one but no reciprocal link. MarrsAttax (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I agreed and added the information. His work was so good on this whenever I play a "successor" game I find myself repeating his lines trying to mimic his style. I believe those who had a similar experience may wish to know more about him and a link in this article seems appropriate.Wowaconia (talk) 18:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

War for the Overworld

Peter Molyneux, The Creator of Dungeon Keeper, has supported a new project running on kickstarter

The fundraising has been successful and the latest beta is available from the offical website

Confusing

Is this article about Dungeon Keeper or Dungeon Keeper Mobile? It seems to switch subjects completely toward the end; the "crtical reception" heading is in reference strictly to Dungeon Keeper Mobile, while this topic is never mentioned for the actual article subject. 71.254.189.49 (talk) 17:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree it is confusing. There should be feedback for the original game which I seem to remember was very favorable. Perhaps there should be two reception sections or even a new article just for DK mobile which probably has different mechanics from the original. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 16:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Now also available for Mac OS X

While the original game was for PCs only, the recentl release on gog.com also runs on OS X. I am not sure where to add this information, though. Tempel (talk) 20:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

All the versions from gog (as of now - they tend to do updates) are really DOS version wrapped with DOSBox. It needs to be clear that the new GOG platforms are supported with emulation.

188.124.185.68 (talk) 02:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

"Dungeon Keeper, do you know what I had to do"

In an interview with Rock Paper Shotgun Peter Molyneux announced an interesting end to the development of DK:

"Dungeon Keeper, do you know what I had to do– Maybe this will give you an insight. Even though I was working at Electronic Arts, I paid to finish Dungeon Keeper at Electronic Arts, because they wanted to force me to finish the product a year early. I said no, take the team to my house, the whole team went to my house and we worked slavishly hard on the game and finished it. That’s, you know–"

Since that's pretty interesting turn of development, countered obviously by the questionably reliability of Peter's word, I wondered if any of the better editors could think of a place for this in the article?

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/02/13/peter-molyneux-interview-godus-reputation-kickstarter/

Please don't anyone rewrite the 'Comments' section into irrelevance with respect to what made the game innovative

While I agree that it may not convey with clarity and concision the design and gameplay elements that make Dungeon Keeper a very innovative experience in the RTS genre, it just happens to convey the innovation of the game without clarity or concision for someone willing to read through the examples of gameplay that are presented in that section.

I may even be willing to make the modifications myself, if someone could make some comments on what would be contentious with regards to the video game guidelines in the Comments section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.125.229.94 (talk) 03:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Similar games

Worth mentioning the Dungeons game by http://www.dungeons-game.com/us/

Andwan0 (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 3 external links on Dungeon Keeper. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090122094458/http://www.gamespot.com:80/pc/strategy/dungeonkeeper/index.html? to http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/dungeonkeeper/index.html
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071010135133/http://www.gamespot.com:80/pc/strategy/dungeonkeeperthedd/index.html to http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/dungeonkeeperthedd/index.html
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20110321183038/http://pc.ign.com:80/articles/552/552160p1.html to http://pc.ign.com/articles/552/552160p1.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

Y An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 23:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC)