Talk:Dungworth

Some misc. history

Please see this edit for the info removed https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dungworth&diff=579526940&oldid=579290687

Firstly the History section is written in chronological order - so please stick to that. Secondly a reference of "Information board in village. Gives additional historical" doesn't do it.

Some bits such as

The school amalgamated with Low Bradfield Junior and Infants School in 1985 to form the present Bradfield Dungworth School on Dungworth Green. Dungworth Green Community Hall, adjoining the school was opened in 2011

and

A Ganister mine was developed to the south of the village at Loadbrook in the 1850s by William Trickett, a local farmer. It was later taken over by Thomas Wragg & Sons who had a firm in the Loxley valley making refractory bricks, the mine closed in the 1950s

and

The census of 1861 shows a large number of men in the Dungworth, Hill Top and Storrs area who combined farming with the production of knives in small workshops attached to their cottages

and

Dungworth has a long tradition of Dairy farming, at one time there were eight dairy farms in the area, each delivering their own milk to the surrounding area, this has been significantly reduced in recent years.

are relevant but need sources. I will look to see if I can find some.Prof.Haddock (talk) 21:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Ganister mine at Load Brook ?

A ganister mine[disputed – discuss] was developed to the southwest of the village at the hamlet of Load Brook in the 1850s by William Trickett, a local farmer - source given "Battye, Ray, The Forgotten Mines of Sheffield"

OS maps show a clay pit, not a mine, and http://sandersonbradfieldandbeyond.co.uk/abrief.htm claims a brickworks - eg clay

I think it was a quarry or clay pits not a mine, not sure about the ganister..Prof.Haddock (talk) 18:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

It was a mine, and the product mined was Pot Clay, which according to the text is an impure form of Gannister, I quote the book, "The Forgotten Mines of Sheffield" by Ray Battye, "Pot Clay occurs lower in the geological strata than true Gannister, just above Millstone Grit and is, therefore, the oldest of the refractory materials in the Lower Coal Measures and was the most mined of the other fire clays.". There is quite a lot of information on the mine in the book and I may write a sub section in the Dungworth article at some time. Regards Mick Knapton (talk) 18:39, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - it seems that "Pot Clay" more like stone than clay from what I have read - eg "the Pot Clay Marine Band and at first exhibit a lithological character similar to the preceding Millstone Grit Series" (Geological Maps: Their Solution and Interpretation, T. Bolton) p132, the description seems to apply in the Sheffield/Peak District area eg "The Stannington Pot Clay which is located on top of the Millstone Grit was formerly valued as an important source of fireclay and was mined an quarried in the Bradfield area" BGS report p.10

I don't know if Ganister means the same as "Pot Clay" in this case

Can you clarify "mine" - does that include surface mine? - does the book have an OS reference - the workings I am thinking about are shown on this old OS map http://maps.nls.uk/view/91792714#zoom=6&lat=6622&lon=5209&layers=BT - they're the ones nearest to Load Brook

in "The geology of parts of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire", William Talbot Aveline, 1869 in mentions Sandstone (which includes Ganister) at Load Brook. link p.122 it mentions Bent Wood which I can't find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prof.Haddock (talk • contribs) 19:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

If you write more I would recommend making a new article for Load Brook - the hamlet appear separate from Dungworth, - if you do don't forget to add a link from Bradfield,_South_Yorkshire which lnks to all articles about places and things withing the civil parish.Prof.Haddock (talk) 19:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, It was a drift mine and you are correct, there was also a brickworks operating on the site at the same time. Just a note on the information boards throughout this area, they are reliable sources, they were compiled by Malcolm Nunn who is the official historian and archivist for Bradfield Parish Council. He also compiled a two volume book on the area: "Around Bradfield, Loxley and Hillsborough" and all references originally to the info boards, now refer to his book. Thanks Mick Knapton (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've made a separate section for Load Brook. From the limited information I have it looks like the works was SW of the Hamlet, and a track (and tramway) was built northwards from the works. I'm guessing the "brickworks" refered to in "A Guide to Bradfield Parish" [1] made refractory bricks on site from what came out the mine. Some of the OS maps show buildings that could be this, plus a chimney. I'd guess that the drifts were south or west into the Hill from the tramway. This would probably match with some of the geological reports that seem to suggest that Sandstone/(Ganister?) was had a good out crop near to the surface around Load Brook eg "The geology of parts of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire" by William Talbot Aveline, pages 122-3 - it also mentions fireclay in the area - it sounds like the geology had most of what was need to make firebricks all close together. I'm not a geologist though and can't rely on having understood the description properly.Prof.Haddock (talk) 20:31, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh- the problem with notice boards is not the accuracy, but that they haven't really been "published" - ie there's no way to get hold of a copy. A book is much better as there should always be a copy in the British Library and elsewhere. etc 83.100.174.82 (talk) 20:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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