Talk:Dunkery Hill/GA1

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Reviewer: Eric Corbett (talk · contribs) 16:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

  • One thing that's really bothering me about this article is that it's called Dunkery Beacon, yet it's almost all about Dunkery Hill. This propagates even to the 1928 sale, which the article says was of Dunkery Beacon when the plaque clearly shows it must have been Dunkery Hill.
  • OK, although most of the sources talk about Dunkery Beacon when referring to the hill but I would be happy to move it to "Dunkery Hill" which currently redirects to this article. (might need an admin for this).— Rod talk 18:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Location

  • What's the source for the formula "distance of hill from its nearest higher neighbour squared, multiplied by its height"? Does it have a name? For all I know it could be something you made up yourself. The second half of that paragraph needs to be cited anyway.
  • "At 1,705 feet (520 m) Dunkery Beacon is the highest geographical point in Somerset ..." I know what you're trying to say, but that's a rather restricted view of geography, which would include man-made structures in my understanding.
  • How about "highest natural point" or similar
  • "... although the tip of the Mendip TV Mast is higher above sea level". As opposed to higher above something else? Is a distinction being made that the height of the beacon isn't also measured from sea level?
  • Quick drive by comment; I figured out what "OD" meant (being a big OS map fan) but I think this would jar a casual reader. Perhaps it would be better to move the "OD" to a footnote, explaining why it doesn't mean "above sea level" in this instance? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 04:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • Yes, I think so. I noticed the wikilink, but generally I feel the user shouldn't be required to click on a link to understand what is meant, but rather to explore that specific topic in more detail. If you get my drift. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:16, 1 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • I've added a brief explanation. I dislike notes as they also draw the reader away from the text. Any advice on improving the wording to make it clearer welcome.— Rod talk 11:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • The third paragraph needs to be cited.

History

  • We're being told twice that there are Bronze Age cairns on the summit.
  • "A circular funerary stone mound 850 metres (2,790 ft) north of Dunkery Bridge ..." Where's Dunkery Bridge? I thought we were talking about the hill.

In the media

  • I think it's stretching credibility to call Lorna Doone media, but I don't think that such a small section can be justified anyway. Why not move this one rather short sentence to the Location section, where it would fit quite naturally?

Lead

  • "The sandstone hill rises to 1,705 feet (520 m) and provides views over the surrounding moorland, the Bristol Channel and hills up to Bristol Channel away." What does "hills up to Bristol Channel away" mean?

History

  • Do we have any idea when Dunkery Beacon and its surrounding mounds were designated an ancient monument? Was the designation anything to do with Bondfield's question in the House of Commons?
  • I can't quite make sense of what happened between 1928 and 1935. My understanding is that the Holnicote Estate was owned by the Acland family, so where do Colonel Wiggin and Allan Hughes fit into the 1935 donation to the National Trust? The link to Acland baronets from Sir Thomas Acland doesn't seem particularly useful, as the article doesn't appear to mention him.
  • Holnicote: Dunkery Beacon, Atcham and Ham 346.924 hectares (857.27 acres) acquired freehold on 5 May 1932 from Wiggin, Lt Col W W
  • Holnicote: Dunkery Hill 382.044 hectares (944.05 acres) acquired freehold on 8 August 1934 from Bateson, O L
  • So it appears that different parcels of land were held by different people and "acquired" (often gifted or by covenant) at different dates.
  • This source (non-RS) has a reasonable explanation:
    • " How the Dunkery Hill section became National Trust property in 1935 in the time of the 14th Baronet, Sir Francis Acland is unclear, as is the reason why his long dead grandfather is given the credit. Mr Allan Hughes Esq owned a smaller parcel of land. He died before 1934 and the donation was actually made by his widow. She, doubtless, had a name of her own - most people have - but I have found no reference to her other than as Mrs Allan Hughes. Colonel Wiggin, was master of the Somerset Stag Hounds from 1917 until his death in 1936. After a military career he became a director, and then chairman of the family firm Henry Wiggin and Co* in Birmingham. He lived in Birmingham but had a house and some land in Somerset, part of which he gave to the National Trust in 1932."
  • I'm not convinced that the entire Holnicote Estate was handed over to the National Trust in 1935, and only one of the three sources cited says that it was. The WP Holnicote Estate article claims that the entire estate wasn't handed over until 1944.
  • The same document and page linked above (NT acquisitions) shows that the massive area (see for example Holnicote: Killerton and Holnicote) was from Acland, Sir R T D on 9 September 1944 but other bits from him were 6 June 1944 but other bits from others were on other dates - the most recent being a church in 2002. The National Trust (and other sources) now call all of it the Holinicote Estate but parts may have been split from it or added to it over hundreds of years.— Rod talk 08:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
    So it doesn't appear to be true that Dunkery Hill was handed over to the National Trust at the same time as the entire Holnicote Estate? I don't want to turn this into a full-scale FA review, so I'd be be happy with a simplified version of events. Eric Corbett 09:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your comments and edits - I agree with all of them except unbolding Dunkery Beacon in the lead as it redirects here and I thought the targets of redirects are supposed to be bold. I will look for answers to the other queries tomorrow as I'm out in a few minutes.— Rod talk 19:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Well, I'm not going to fall out with you over that. Eric Corbett 20:00, 1 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
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