Talk:Dunston Power Station/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Malleus Fatuorum 16:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Lead

• "The two stations stood between 1910 and 1986, on a site which is now occupied by the MetroCentre." This can't be true, as the B Station wasn't started until the 1930s.

• "The two stations as a whole operated from the early days of electricity generation in the United Kingdom ...". Again, the two stations didn't, depending on what's meant by the rather vague "as a whole".

• "The two stations as a whole operated from the early days of electricity generation in the United Kingdom, through the industry's nationalisation, and up until within a decade of its passing into the private sector." That last bit's rather awkwardly written, to the extent that I'm not sure what it's saying. Almost a decade before privatisation or a decade after it?

History (Dunston A)

• "To meet an increasing demand for electricity, NESCo commissioned a power station on the Derwent Haugh, a large flood plain to the west of Gateshead ...". It's not at all obvious that we're talking about Dunston A here as opposed to another power station. What was it originally called? Presumably not Dunston A as there was not yet a Dunston B.

Design and specification (Dunston A)

• "... the station was extended, and installed with a 15,000 kW Parsons gas turbine turbo alternator". "The alternator was installed, the station wasn't installed with it.

Design and specification (Dunston B)

• "This was differed from usual power station designs ...".

• "... it enclosed the machinery in glass, which would be clad onto a steel frame". When would it be? From time to time? Was it ever?

• "This was differed from usual power station designs which normally placed the machinery in a concrete or brick wall." The machinery was in a wall?

• In the description of Dunston A the generating capacity is given in thousands of kilowatts, but in Dunston B we have the more familiar megawatts, which makes comparison more awkward than it need be. Why not use megawatts for both?

Closure, demolition and present

• "In September 1999, Costco were granted permission to build a £15 million cash and carry store on the site of the power station, creating 300 jobs." Why should we care when planning permission was granted rather than when Costco actually was built, or opened?

• In what way does [1] (ref #24) support anything that has gone before it about the purchase of the land or the planning permission for a Costco?

Social and cultural impact

• This section is perilously close to being a trivia section, but there are some more important concerns even than that:
  • The cited source doesn't say that what can be seen in the opening credits of The Paper Lads is Dunston B, but what's worse is that the citation points to a clear copyright violation on Youtube.
  • Neither, so far as I can see, does the citation for The Likely Lads state that it's Dunston B.
  • And neither do either of the two citations for Get Carter mention Dunston B.
  • Where does this confirm that the chimneys at the end of the street belong to Dunston B? I don't doubt that it is Dunston B, but the source doesn't say that.

References

• There's at least one dead link.[2]

Images

• The information provided for the image in the lead says that "This work has been released into the public domain by the copyright holder", but who is the copyright holder, and how do we know that's true?

I've been through and completed a number of the suggested changes/problems. However a few I haven't been able to complete.

• I've had a good search on the internet and can't find an opening date for the Costco. I don't really know where to look.
• I don't know what to do about the problems with the culture section or the references. What do you suggest?
• Similarly, the lead image was uploaded in 2005 by a rarely active account. Would it be worth asking them to change the licensing to something more current? Fintan264 (talk) 15:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

• My mistake with Get Carter, the Sunday Sun does mention Dunston Power Station, so that's OK. All I can suggest with The Likely Lads and The Paper Lads is that you drop them. They don't add much to the story anyway do they?

• I think that there's just too much detail on Costco. For instance does it really matter when they bought the land, or when the council reconsidered their planning application? This is an article about Dunston Power Station after all, not Costco, and there's no clear statement that it was ever built. The important thing to say is that the Costco was built on the site of the former power station, which the article doesn't quite get around to saying.

• So far as the lead image is concerned, it needs to have a statement identifying the author and source of the work, just as you've got for the images that you've uploaded. It would certainly be worth asking the uploader, but as you say (s)he doesn't seem to be very active. If you get no joy there than I'd suggest that you remove the PD licence (which can't be supported anyway) and make a fair-use claim on the basis that the copyright holder is unknown but that the image is needed to illustrate the subject of the article. Something like I did with File:Manchester Mark2.jpg ought to do the trick. If you go down that road though you probably ought to reduce the size of the image by 50% or so. Malleus Fatuorum 18:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

• Right, I've cut down the 'culture' section as suggested and resolved the Costco issue with a simpler statement and reference. I've also writted to the author of the lead image and hopefully they'll reply swiftly. Are there any other issues which need resolving in the mean time? Fintan264 (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• If we cover these then I think we're done. Malleus Fatuorum 19:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll give them until monday to reply. If it does come to uploading it as a fair-use claim, do I state the source of the image as the current page it is uploaded to on Wikipedia? Fintan264 (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the best you can do is to say something like uploaded by User:English Lakes on 17 July 2005. Malleus Fatuorum 13:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Right, I've uploaded the image here File:Dunston Power Station cropped and shrunk.jpg Fintan264 (talk) 13:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

That just said, would this not mean a clearer image of the station could be uploaded as fair use? An image such as this one Fintan264 (talk) 14:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes indeed, and that would probably be better, so long as you crop out the frame/border. Malleus Fatuorum 15:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

What about editing the contrast/colour a tad to? Or is that not allowed? Fintan264 (talk) 22:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

If you enhance the image them just add a note to say that it's been enhanced. Malleus Fatuorum 22:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Image now uploaded. Finally, is that everything then? Fintan264 (talk) 11:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think we're done here now I'm sure you'll be relieved to hear. Malleus Fatuorum 13:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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